Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Breaking Exclusive:

I'm still bald.

 

[Bald]

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Every man is bald. Some blokes just haven't accepted it yet.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Use the ignore function. Works wonders

It's a last resort, but unfortunately some posters just force me to use it. Glad I don't have to read all those posts that are just walls of words, but good on BomToydd I guess, for persisting.

 

[lachy]

It's a last resort, but unfortunately some posters just force me to use it. Glad I don't have to read all those posts that are just walls of words, but good on BomToydd I guess, for persisting.

Agree

 

[low impact and reckless]

Significant amount of work to be done after this season, have to make up for years of list management malpractice.

Lost too much talent for nothing in return. Not saying Dunkley, Smith and Jamarra leaving is anyone’s fault, but ultimately we didnt get back anything close to what we lost. That kind of talent bleeding alone makes it difficult. Spilt milk now, but the impacts are being felt. You can’t really continually reset your list like this and expect to stay competitive against the sides making more serious moves.

Then there’s our failed attempts to chase key defenders. We knew what the issue was and went for Hail Mary attempts, probably because we know that Bevo would rather throw inadequate players that fit his vision to the wolves, rather than play someone that he was never on board to sign in the first place. And we protected Lobb, JoD and Buku as much as we could until the wheels fell off. The right idea, but even then, we only had to play that way because of how bad that trio is in a vacuum.

Then there’s relying on Emmett and Smith as backup rucks, but once again, what would the point of signing Mason Cox have been? Bevo would never select him. We saw this for years when a young Tim was getting ragdolled every week. He’ll persist with his guys every time. When we flirted with, and decided against, the notion of Crossley last year for a reason.

And we didn’t necessarily have to sign a backup ruck with Lobb and Darcy on the list - but our paper thin depth made moving them into that position so difficult they barely count as ruck depth. Any one injury to Lobb, Darcy or English would have been (and was) to critically disrupt everything we were doing…unfortunately it ended up being all 3.

I do think we should throw whatever it takes at Butters. He’s that good, you don’t say no thanks to that calibre of player because you have needs elsewhere. He’s also a need anyway - our midfield is awfully slow aside from Ed, and looks really shaky without Libba (we shouldn’t be so reliant on Libba with his age and concussion/knee history, but we are).

We had a really solid run with Dalrymple then Sam Power bursting on to the scene with some incredible moves - it’s hard to understate the impact he had when he quickly brought in Treloar, Bruce, Martin, Keath and Duryea. Unfortunately that momentum slowed right down after 2021 and we’ve been very content to be stuck in a perpetual semi-rebuild that keeps us just competitive enough to avoid disaster but not ambitious enough to win even a single final. A couple of decent moves since but not enough to offset what we’ve lost.

It’s been said for the last couple of years really, and hasn’t happened, but when do we get aggressive around trying to get Bont some help?

With the Wilkie attempt we basically just wrung our hands and shrugged the shoulders knowing we were walking into a really perilous situation with our KPD stocks. If the Butters thing flames out and he goes to Geelong I hope it isn’t a repeat. There still so much work to be done on this list, sadly at this point there can’t be much confidence in how the club is approaching our lack of results. Culturally I think a big change within the club is required unless everyone is happy being the Ninthmond of the 2020s.

Nailed it.Major shake ups required. Looking like 5 consecutive years of underperforming - completely endorsed by the board

 

[BigFloppa]

Any reason Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

34

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

couldn't get his redemption story like Jamarra?

 

[Foxman98]

Any reason Steven May couldn't get his redemption story like Jamarra?

MSD pick up for Darcy

If Libba is out Ben Cousins is looking in terrific shape

 

[bigbulldog67]

For anyone concerned about the clubs current ladder position and it's ambitition to acquire Butters.

Didn't Chris Judd join Carlton who had just finished 15th (out of 16)?

How’s that relevant? What does Judd have to do with butters, it’s been pretty clear it’s a wanting to compete thing (amongst a few other points) with Butters.

I’d definitely be concerned about it not exactly being as easy as we thought if we fall off a cliff over the rest of the season and sack our coach for example

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Been told today that we've got an offer for Butts infront of his management.

 

[Doggy]

Been told today that we've got an offer for Butts infront of his management.

Shouldn't that be behind?

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Shouldn't that be behind?

Gonna be the butt of all jokes huh...

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Been told today that we've got an offer for Butts infront of his management.

Shouldn't that be behind?

Username checks out

 

[Doggy]

Gonna be the butt of all jokes huh...

Lucky we don't have a Richard ... only a Richards

 

[Bald]

How’s that relevant? What does Judd have to do with butters, it’s been pretty clear it’s a wanting to compete thing (amongst a few other points) with Butters.

I’d definitely be concerned about it not exactly being as easy as we thought if we fall off a cliff over the rest of the season and sack our coach for example

How has it been pretty clear? We don’t even know if he’s leaving yet.

 

[iambrilliant]

Butts butters and el souki would be a huge off season for the dogs. Fills 3 huge holes on the list very important that we make it all happen so we don’t get left behind the pack

 

[Mofra]

El Souki by himself changes us. He's the exact type of small forward we've been crying out for.

 

[Doggy]

Butts butters and el souki would be a huge off season for the dogs. Fills 3 huge holes on the list very important that we make it all happen so we don’t get left behind the pack

 

[Mojorisin]

El Souki by himself changes us. He's the exact type of small forward we've been crying out for.

Between West a fit and firing combo of flea and joins and the addition of El Souki (plus natural progression from Dolan), a weakness becomes a strength. With the return of Darcy the forward line becomes mouth watering

HF West Darcy Jones
FF Flea Naughton El Souki
7Th Dolan, VDM or Croft.

 

[Golden_6]

Between West a fit and firing combo of flea and joins and the addition of El Souki (plus natural progression from Dolan), a weakness becomes a strength. With the return of Darcy the forward line becomes mouth watering

HF West Darcy Jones
FF Flea Naughton El Souki
7Th Dolan, VDM or Croft.

Becomes a bit null and void unless the club addresses the backline.

JOD is the only one I'm confident being able to slot in one of the three taller positions in our backline in 2027 if we want to genuinely contend. Lobb will already be 34.

 

[Libbaaaa]

El Souki by himself changes us. He's the exact type of small forward we've been crying out for.

Would allow Cody to just focus on being a third tall as opposed to a small as well.

 

[iambrilliant]

Becomes a bit null and void unless the club addresses the backline.

JOD is the only one I'm confident being able to slot in one of the three taller positions in our backline in 2027 if we want to genuinely contend. Lobb will already be 34.

I think jod Busslinger and butts is a pretty decent combination if we do manage to land butts

 

[Foxman98]

Becomes a bit null and void unless the club addresses the backline.

JOD is the only one I'm confident being able to slot in one of the three taller positions in our backline in 2027 if we want to genuinely contend. Lobb will already be 34.

Busslinger Butts Sellwood
Dale JOD Buderick

Lobb/Jaques to go through as well

 

[Mofra]

Would allow Cody to just focus on being a third tall as opposed to a small as well.

Cody always stuck me as more a Jamie Elliott type, he's more than a one truck pony. West is combative, El Souki is a pure crumber.

I have hopes that Dolan becomes that HF we're crying out for, his tank is surprisingly good. Needs to add strength to really stick those tackles though.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Cody always stuck me as more a Jamie Elliott type, he's more than a one truck pony. West is combative, El Souki is a pure crumber.

I have hopes that Dolan becomes that HF we're crying out for, his tank is surprisingly good. Needs to add strength to really stick those tackles though.

100% that is what Cody became post 2021. Look back though to some of the games in 2021 and he is a complete pest in the forward 50, smoothers, crumbing etc...

 

[BigFloppa]

Barry Hall
Travis Cloke
Stefan Martin

8

Stefan Martin

Age

39

Ht

198cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

8.0

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

23.5

5star

D

6.4

1star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.2

2star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

18.4

5star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.6

4star

HO

1.0

4star

Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

34

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

It just makes sense.