Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Reported by John Ralph at half time that its either us or Port for Butters and "every club thinks if he leaves its to the Dogs." Also stated it won't be for 4 first round picks as he's uncontracted.

It is John Ralph though....

Always trusted and respected him

 

[BLACAE]

Looking at the game tonight, the following players could be traded / gone through FA (according to me)

Gags
Khamis
McNeil
Buss (Depending if hes dropped when Lobb / JOD returns)
A Jones (If we get Souki, maybe he moved to wing and Williams goes)
Williams

And from the squad
JOD (If we get a decent replacement)
VDM
Garcia

I think Ads is done too, as much as I hate to say it.

Of those, the only ones that hold currency are:
JOD
Khamis
A Jones
Williams
Maybe VDM (but his Hammies are made of paper)

The rest have solid games but aren't worth a lot.

AFter seeing Sanders tonight, I'd try and keep him, he was excellent. If he starts kicking the ball more and taking ground, he'll be really good. Right bow he seems to be playing the Libba role very well.

 

[Dog 36]

Keen to sign Arty and Sellwood

Both give us a point of difference.

Need to lock these two away

 

[Chalky White]

Well not really because half of them are playing as undersized key position players. I wouldn't be bringing in any more medium defenders unless we get rid of some of them. We have other holes on our list too and there's only so many list spots.

That's true, this is where good list management comes into play. Theres no point kicking 110 points each week if your defenders give up 120. Who's responsible for our defensive woes? It seems an all club issue.
Recruiters do not seem to have a grasp on what type of defenders we need, a few belated shots at Wilkie and Silvagni but our key defenders that we have recruited over the years have been Naughton and Busslinger. Buss has been a bust. The rest of the defence is cobbled together or from PSD or MSDs or utility types.
Buku is an interceptor, doesn't have a clue in man on man marking, JOD is just a handy 2-3 tall defender, Lobb is a makeshift defender, Bramble and Budarick were throwaways from other clubs, Coffield has been poor. Gardy...well best not say anything there.
The one shining light is Sellwood. Getting him in the Mid Season Draft was a steal and well done by the recruiters for realising our defensive stocks were bare.
Obviously we are going to make a big play at Zak but I hope we really go hard at Weitering or Ballard also.

 

[Chalky White]

Keen to sign Arty and Sellwood

Both give us a point of difference.

Need to lock these two away

Agree these two are locks for new contracts if they want them.

 

[Chalky White]

Neither of those two should be anywhere near a trade

Honestly, what team would have interest in Cooper Hynes? He has been a major disappointment. Not one skill of his game is at AFL standard at this stage. Nor, does it look like those skills ever will be.
I don't see how losing him in a possible trade has any negative effect on us at all.

 

[bigbulldog67]

I’ve seen idiots write off Arty for years, then Sanders, now Hynes. Never learn lol.

I must admit some of Hynes efforts have disappointed me this year but I think he’s just completely devoid of confidence at the moment, has some brilliant traits

To be fair i remember people writing off Macrae and Williams too so yeah, it’s not new

 

[iambrilliant]

Hynes will be fine. In the juniors he could use his size and strength to bully contests a bit more. Once he gets a few AFL preseasons and builds his body properly I think it’ll help him a lot. Gives me a bit of a young Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

29

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

vibe.

That said, I reckon he probably needs a season or two in the VFL building confidence and dominating consistently, because right now he looks a touch out of his depth at AFL level.

 

[Here we go dogs]

What’s the deal with Witt’s ? Is he cooked ?

 

[MaxiBont]

What’s the deal with Witt’s ? Is he cooked ?

New ruck rules haven’t been kind to him

 

[Sid Nullis]

I’ve seen idiots write off Arty for years, then Sanders, now Hynes. Never learn lol.

I must admit some of Hynes efforts have disappointed me this year but I think he’s just completely devoid of confidence at the moment, has some brilliant traits

To be fair i remember people writing off Macrae and Williams too so yeah, it’s not new

What are these brilliant traits you speak of.

 

[grassman75]

Honestly, what team would have interest in Cooper Hynes? He has been a major disappointment. Not one skill of his game is at AFL standard at this stage. Nor, does it look like those skills ever will be.
I don't see how losing him in a possible trade has any negative effect on us at all.

He’s in his second year mate. Give him a chance.

I’m old enough to remember when people on here were calling for Artys head saying he was useless.

Even Richards, Dale etc

Some guys take several years. Not d dry one is the Bont

Have patience

Have a look at what Sanders did last night as a link up player. He was everywhere

 

[grassman75]

I’ve seen idiots write off Arty for years, then Sanders, now Hynes. Never learn lol.

I must admit some of Hynes efforts have disappointed me this year but I think he’s just completely devoid of confidence at the moment, has some brilliant traits

To be fair i remember people writing off Macrae and Williams too so yeah, it’s not new

Haha…I didn’t read the next post and have literally written the same thing

 

[GetDimmaBack]

He’s in his second year mate. Give him a chance.

I’m old enough to remember when people on here were calling for Artys head saying he was useless.

Even Richards, Dale etc

Some guys take several years. Not d dry one is the Bont

Have patience

Have a look at what Sanders did last night as a link up player. He was everywhere

I’m old enough to remember when people were saying Luke Darcy would never make it.
“No skills…”
“No heart…”
Can’t ruck, can’t kick…”

Never write a player off before the club does.

 

[JohnnySteel]

I thought Hynes lifted in the last. Which is a good sign for a young player.

 

[DueWest]

I’ve seen idiots write off Arty for years, then Sanders, now Hynes. Never learn lol.

I must admit some of Hynes efforts have disappointed me this year but I think he’s just completely devoid of confidence at the moment, has some brilliant traits

To be fair i remember people writing off Macrae and Williams too so yeah, it’s not new

It’s those traits I like from Hynes, definitely has some attributes to be an AFL player but needs much more size, particularly for the role he plays (forward / mid). He is not a small agile type, he is a bullocking type player. Noticed at one point last night he had to be called up to position to receive pass, just not completely clicking for him at the moment.

Arty has always shown traits but again now in year 4 finally has the size and stamina

Sanders was / is always expected to play 150 plus games but hasn’t always shown the attributes, ie has mostly looked slow, not particularly a good hand baller or kick (capable without being outstanding) and typically first instinct is to handball backwards which isn’t a great attribute.

Clearly the best and most influential game he has played last night, he mostly looked to move ball forward as first action which made a difference. If he ever balances the kick handball ratio (9 kicks 22 handballs last night at 77%) he will become a good player. Also needs more size which will come.

 

[Pencil case]

I’m old enough to remember when people on here were calling for Artys head saying he was useless.

So you’re at least one year old?

 

[DognBones]

With real concerns about English's concussion history it would be prudent to turn our attention to a ruck backup/replacement in the mid season draft. English could well miss multiple weeks with the latest set back and to rely on Smith and/or Lobb doesn't fill anyone with any confidence. As a pressing need, Lobb will be more useful to us as a defender rather than a ruckman. If Treloar happened to retire then we could also seek out another player of need: key forward, key back, winger, small forward, you name it.
I would hope there's no suggestions that either Emmett or Croft could fill a part-time ruck role because at this stage of their careers both are terrible.
Granted, there's not a lot of ruck talent thrusting their hands in the air to be picked up but if one has strong form at VFL or State league level then we should look.

 

[Mofra]

With real concerns about English's concussion history it would be prudent to turn our attention to a ruck backup/replacement in the mid season draft. English could well miss multiple weeks with the latest set back and to rely on Smith and/or Lobb doesn't fill anyone with any confidence. As a pressing need, Lobb will be more useful to us as a defender rather than a ruckman. If Treloar happened to retire then we could also seek out another player of need: key forward, key back, winger, small forward, you name it.
I would hope there's no suggestions that either Emmett or Croft could fill a part-time ruck role because at this stage of their careers both are terrible.
Granted, there's not a lot of ruck talent thrusting their hand in the air to be picked up but if one has strong form at VFL or State league level then we should look.

We're looking at Tom Scully in the SANFL, forward/ruck

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Looking at the game tonight, the following players could be traded / gone through FA (according to me)

Gags
Khamis
McNeil
Buss (Depending if hes dropped when Lobb / JOD returns)
A Jones (If we get Souki, maybe he moved to wing and Williams goes)
Williams

And from the squad
JOD (If we get a decent replacement)
VDM
Garcia

I think Ads is done too, as much as I hate to say it.

Of those, the only ones that hold currency are:
JOD
Khamis
A Jones
Williams
Maybe VDM (but his Hammies are made of paper)

The rest have solid games but aren't worth a lot.

AFter seeing Sanders tonight, I'd try and keep him, he was excellent. If he starts kicking the ball more and taking ground, he'll be really good. Right bow he seems to be playing the Libba role very well.

Definitely wouldn't be trading JOD.

Arty Jones and Williams can easily play in the same side

 

[DognBones]

We're looking at Tom Scully in the SANFL, forward/ruck

Certainly a player worth looking at. He's used sparingly as a ruck at West Adelaide averaging less than 5 hitouts per match. I'm not sure if he can be more ruck/forward rather than forward/ruck for us which is what I was alluding to in my post above. I suppose we need both key forward and ruck coverage so he may work out if selected. Although genuine ruck back up has not been a high priority under Beveridge, I still think that without the guaranteed availability of English we are very light on and vulnerable.

 

[TiAn_]

I don’t think Scully would help much with the ruck. The knock on him even as a key forward has always been competitiveness and strength in contests.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I don’t think we should scapegoat young players in their first or second years or under 50 games.

Players who have been on our list forever and just haven’t improved is a different matter, but realising every team has foot soldiers called up when injuries strike.

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Half a season of Goldstein?

 

[Cudi]

I don’t think Scully would help much with the ruck. The knock on him even as a key forward has always been competitiveness and strength in contests.

Sounds like Schache, not keen if that’s the case.

I’d rather look at someone like a Nathan Kruger. Mature body who can come in contribute straight away. Been playing well as a defender on VFL and think he could play Lobbs play and have Lobb go forward.
We have enough developing talls on our list, I’d be keen for a mature recruit.