News Nick Austin departs

[carlton_99]

I’m really over this media flip-flop trying to protect Voss now that he’s been sacked.

All year it’s been “Carlton have underperformed” and “Voss hasn’t got enough out of a team that made a prelim in 2023.”

Now suddenly he’s gone, and the same media crowd are carrying on about “what an average list it is,” “he didn’t have much to work with,” and “he was set up to fail.”

Spare me

Feel like it's just a repeat of every time a Carlton coach has left. Media know it generates clicks/views to talk about Carlton. The Whateley stuff though was particularly egregious this time round

 

[Beyond Blue]

Trading out our 2019 future 1st for Stocker to the Crows then missing out on Caleb Serong / Hayden Young could go down as THE reason we didnt win the 2023 Prelim & go on to beat the Pies in the GF. We selected Stocker as a smokey, SOS had him 7th best Mid in that draft if I remember rightly, we were desperate for a gun midfielder to complement Walsh so he went hard for him.

Pick 6 2019 was what we gave up. We received Crows pick 9. SOS bid on Henry and Green then live traded back for Kemp and Philp

One of Serong / Young in our Midfield since 2019 and it completely changes everything!

You need some luck in drafting but if you miss big its over for the entire build

2018:

• Carlton – Sam Walsh
• Gold Coast – Jack Lukosius
• Gold Coast – Izak Rankine
• St Kilda – Max King
• Port Adelaide – Connor Rozee
• Gold Coast – Ben King
• Western Bulldogs – Bailey Smith
• North Melbourne – Tarryn Thomas
• Adelaide – Chayce Jones
• Sydney – Nick Blakey
• GWS Giants – Jye Caldwell
• Port Adelaide – Zak Butters
• Collingwood – Isaac Quaynor
• GWS Giants – Jackson Hately
• Geelong – Jordan Clark
• Adelaide – Ned McHenry
• Fremantle – Sam Sturt
• Port Adelaide – Xavier Duursma
• Carlton – Liam Stocker

2019:
1. Matt Rowell – Gold Coast
2. Noah Anderson – Gold Coast
3. Luke Jackson – Melbourne
4. Lachlan Ash – GWS Giants
5. Dylan Stephens – Sydney
6. Fischer McAsey – Adelaide
7. Hayden Young – Fremantle
8. Caleb Serong – Fremantle
9. Liam Henry – Fremantle
10. Tom Green – GWS Giants
11. Gold Coast: Sam Flanders (Gippsland Power)
12. Melbourne: Kysaiah Pickett (Woodville-West Torrens)
13. Hawthorn: Will Day (West Adelaide)
14. Port Adelaide: Miles Bergman (Sandringham Dragons)
15. Western Bulldogs: Cody Weightman (Dandenong Stingrays)
16. Geelong Cats: Cooper Stephens (Geelong Falcons)
17. Carlton: Brodie Kemp (Bendigo Pioneers)
18. Port Adelaide: Mitch Georgiades (Subiaco)
19. Geelong Cats: Sam De Koning (Dandenong Stingrays)
20. Carlton: Sam Philp (Northern Knights)

That sequence of events right there cost us a flag IMO. Disastrous. Whoever was behind the drafting of Stocker should have been sacked when he was delisted at the end of 2022.

 

[Soapy V]

I’m really over this media flip-flop trying to protect Voss now that he’s been sacked.

All year it’s been “Carlton have underperformed” and “Voss hasn’t got enough out of a team that made a prelim in 2023.”

Now suddenly he’s gone, and the same media crowd are carrying on about “what an average list it is,” “he didn’t have much to work with,” and “he was set up to fail.”

Spare me

100%, Superficial Media judgements based on a snapshot of time. No depth or deep diving into issues. I hardly listen anymore


What was very interesting is training yesterday was very jovial and light. Players joking and having fun. How quick they move on

As Leigh Mathews once said to me. Doesn't matter how good you are, you will be replaced tomorrow and forgotten in a week. Never forgot this.

 

[goreds]

100%, Superficial Media judgements based on a snapshot of time. No depth or deep diving into issues. I hardly listen anymore


What was very interesting is training yesterday was very jovial and light. Players joking and having fun. How quick they move on

As Leigh Mathews once said to me. Doesn't matter how good you are, you will be replaced tomorrow and forgotten in a week. Never forgot this.

My old man used to always say, 'todays news, tomorrows fish and chip wrapper'...

For the youngsters out there, they used to wrap your fish and chips in old newspapers on the outside of grease paper back in the day...

 

[muzza99]

My old man used to always say, 'todays news, tomorrows fish and chip wrapper'...

For the youngsters out there, they used to wrap your fish and chips in old newspapers on the outside of grease paper back in the day...

And occasionally some of the ink would infiltrate a chip or potato cake or two. When we moved to white butchers paper, you had hit the big time!
Shout out to the fish and chip shop opposite Hutton st Primary (Thornbury)....dropped a lot of coin there...as well as on the pinnies.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Morris reported that Austin is looking at legal options …. These characters we employ….

If that’s true it means we have someone lined up already which is a massive relief to me anyway.

Not going into an absolutely critical period for this club without a recruitment or list manager was just too much for me to think about.

 

[RPCB]

I’m really over this media flip-flop trying to protect Voss now that he’s been sacked.

All year it’s been “Carlton have underperformed” and “Voss hasn’t got enough out of a team that made a prelim in 2023.”

Now suddenly he’s gone, and the same media crowd are carrying on about “what an average list it is,” “he didn’t have much to work with,” and “he was set up to fail.”

Spare me

Because they are cowards. They don’t want to face Michael Voss, if he gets into media work, with all of that hanging over their heads. So they’ve changed the narrative.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Morris reported that Austin is looking at legal options …. These characters we employ….

His twin sister is a very talented trial attorney, I’m sure he’s seeking good counsel..

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Either way, you wouldn't be considering legal action if you didn't think you had a case.

Austin: "So then I gave Cerra 5 years, and Walsh 8 years, and-"

Judge: "Case dismissed. Get out."

 

[Soapy V]

Austin: "So then I gave Cerra 5 years, and Walsh 8 years, and-"

Judge: "Case dismissed. Get out."

Lloyd needs to take a lot of responsibility as well. He signed off on all that Austin did.

He was a disaster and as responsibile for current mess as anyone

 

[goreds]

And occasionally some of the ink would infiltrate a chip or potato cake or two. When we moved to white butchers paper, you had hit the big time!
Shout out to the fish and chip shop opposite Hutton st Primary (Thornbury)....dropped a lot of coin there...as well as on the pinnies.

I remember that chipper!!

I grew up at the Station Street Lalor fish and chip shop, getting a free pickled onion (which I loved) as a young kid from Mrs. Marcou, while her son (with long hair in a pony tail) made the chips and his dad did the fish and hamburgers!

A true Carlton fish and chip shop!

 

[El Topo]

Lloyd needs to take a lot of responsibility as well. He signed off on all that Austin did.

He was a disaster and as responsibile for current mess as anyone

We've had the head coach and LM at odds most years since 2017 - insane that the club took so long to hold the department head accountable

 

[BlueBlood15]

We've had the head coach and LM at odds most years since 2017 - insane that the club took so long to hold the department head accountable

Well run football departments have the head of footy, senior coach and list manager on the same page and rowing in the same direction. Hawthorn under Mitchell are a good example. Even when they were getting belted to start, no one deviated from the plan (game style + recruitment strategy) and it is now paying dividends.

I’m pleased we’ve got a new head of footy and vacancies at senior coach and list manager that can both be filled in the next 3-4 months. Gives us a perfect chance to align around a collective vision and strategy and actually execute it effectively.

 

[Soapy V]

We've had the head coach and LM at odds most years since 2017 - insane that the club took so long to hold the department head accountable

Why I like what Wright is doing. Knows it's not one issue and he is trying to build a key "team". IMO only way

 

[tarczonandjane]

We've had the head coach and LM at odds most years since 2017 - insane that the club took so long to hold the department head accountable

The following is a genuine question El Topo. But is the case as you have outlined? The only reason I say that is because it feels as though Austin grabbed the sort of players Voss was after.

For example, Voss wanted wingers in 2022. So we traded for Acres and drafted Binns and Hollands.

The exception would be when Voss wanted Houston. But my guess is that when we went to the draft Jagga was the sort of player Voss wanted.

 

[Stamos]

We've had the head coach and LM at odds most years since 2017 - insane that the club took so long to hold the department head accountable

I was shocked when he survived the review in 2021.
It didn't make sense, but you kind of had to give them the benefit of the doubt.

No, I was right the first time.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

The following is a genuine question El Topo. But is the case as you have outlined? The only reason I say that is because it feels as though Austin grabbed the sort of players Voss was after.

For example, Voss wanted wingers in 2022. So we traded for Acres and drafted Binns and Hollands.

The exception would be when Voss wanted Houston. But my guess is that when we went to the draft Jagga was the sort of player Voss wanted.

2022 draft was exactly what Voss wanted, he wanted players that could run.
Acres has been very good and I really think Hollands will be brilliant even though that will probably get howled down by a lot of people on here

 

[Bell Ringer]

You're probably right, however I cant see any reason not to try.

Yeh, fair enough. No harm in experimenting over the next 15 matches.

2027 Preseason practice matches start this Saturday!

 

[Beyond Blue]

100%, Superficial Media judgements based on a snapshot of time. No depth or deep diving into issues. I hardly listen anymore


What was very interesting is training yesterday was very jovial and light. Players joking and having fun. How quick they move on

As Leigh Mathews once said to me. Doesn't matter how good you are, you will be replaced tomorrow and forgotten in a week. Never forgot this.

I couldn’t have worded it any better …I’ve said it before but I get my Carlton news from BF. Way more informative…and entertaining for that matter!!!

 

[muzza99]

I remember that chipper!!

I grew up at the Station Street Lalor fish and chip shop, getting a free pickled onion (which I loved) as a young kid from Mrs. Marcou, while her son (with long hair in a pony tail) made the chips and his dad did the fish and hamburgers!

A true Carlton fish and chip shop!

haha...we had Rod Ashman as our PE teacher and he lived two doors down from it, in a bunch of units...directly across the road from the school. They weren't paid much back then!

 

[El Topo]

The following is a genuine question El Topo. But is the case as you have outlined? The only reason I say that is because it feels as though Austin grabbed the sort of players Voss was after.

For example, Voss wanted wingers in 2022. So we traded for Acres and drafted Binns and Hollands.

The exception would be when Voss wanted Houston. But my guess is that when we went to the draft Jagga was the sort of player Voss wanted.

Yeah, it's tricky to read from the outside - my recollection is that SOS/Bolts were at odds after Gibbs and irreparable after the Stocker swap, and that you've identified the point where Voss/ Austin diverged. Have to wonder what the conversations were when we did nothing to improve the list in the 2023 post season.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Sounds like Wright and Davies, misconstrued Austin shouting "get stuffed" as he walked out the door after they sacked him as resigning .

 

[JustaBattler]

Its a pretty strong signal to all players on the list since Austin (and Voss) was in charge that all current bets are off the table - any player manager would understand that and would be remiss if they havent pointed that out to teh the player under their wing.

I do admire the confidence that posters have in two blokes now running the Club to get everything fixed and show the world what a magnificent list Voss has wasted though - finals or bust in 2027 huh?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

No cash Yeah, it's tricky to read from the outside - my recollection is that SOS/Bolts were at odds after Gibbs and irreparable after the Stocker swap, and that you've identified the point where Voss/ Austin diverged. Have to wonder what the conversations were when we did nothing to improve the list in the 2023 post season.

This should cover the convo

Vossy:


Austin:

 

[agro]

Copilot

Yes — but with an important detail.

Carlton didn’t simply trade away a future first-round pick straight up for Liam Stocker. Instead, in the 2018 AFL Draft live trade, they:

What actually happened​

• Carlton traded their 2019 first‑round pick to Adelaide
• In return, Carlton received:
  • Pick 19 (used to select Liam Stocker)
  • Adelaide’s 2019 first‑round pick [foxsports.com.au], [afl.com.au]

In simple terms​

• It was essentially a swap of future first-round picks, plus Carlton getting pick 19 immediately.
• That pick 19 is what they used to draft Liam Stocker.

​

Pick 19: Liam Stocker

A historic live trade saw Carlton acquire Morrish Medal winner Liam Stocker.

www.carltonfc.com.au

There was as I recall a "fist pump" by SOS after all this - so someone in the draft room was pleased with the outcome.