Opinion Non-Crows AFL 14: Brad Scott gone

[Mattrox]

So because he ducked it's not a dangerous tackle? Will Frampton get weeks? So Tex gets a week for a push but a spear tackle the commentators was like not much he could do there.

He got 3 in the end. But I think it's umps fault for not calling HTB as soon as he ducked and was caught.

 

[screech]

Laughable the media initially claiming Frampton could get away with fracturing the neck of another player

It's not concussion, so it does not fall foul of the hot topic

 

[Miss Vanessa]

He got 3 in the end. But I think it's umps fault for not calling HTB as soon as he ducked and was caught.

3 was the absolute bare minimum he could have received… could easily have been double that.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

I think Frampton is a spud of a footballer, and I understand that Mihocek was seriously injured but, having watched the incident live and multiple times since then, I’m not sure what Frampton is meant to do as a footballer that still needs to try and tackle the player coming towards him with the ball.

I hate that the AFL seems to judge incidents based off someone getting injured, rather than the action.

I guarantee that if Mihocek didn’t get injured it would have been a free kick and nothing ever spoken about it again.

 

[Cromulant]

I think Frampton is a spud of a footballer, and I understand that Mihocek was seriously injured but, having watched the incident live and multiple times since then, I’m not sure what Frampton is meant to do as a footballer that still needs to try and tackle the player coming towards him with the ball.

I hate that the AFL seems to judge incidents based off someone getting injured, rather than the action.

I guarantee that if Mihocek didn’t get injured it would have been a free kick and nothing ever spoken about it again.

Except for Tex.

No one was hurt there

 

[WeeBlake]

I don’t want to watch it again, knowing he broke his neck. But on first viewing live it looked completely innocuous. In slow motion, the end of the tackle looked dodgy, almost like a spear tackle, with his head getting buried in the turf. But I’m not sure that part wasn’t just a complete accident, caused largely by the ducking. When a player ducks, it put them in a vulnerable position, annd bad things can happen, and what is the tackler supposed to do? Not tackle?

 

[Mattrox]

I don’t want to watch it again, knowing he broke his neck. But on first viewing live it looked completely innocuous. In slow motion, the end of the tackle looked dodgy, almost like a spear tackle, with his head getting buried in the turf. But I’m not sure that part wasn’t just a complete accident, caused largely by the ducking. When a player ducks, it put them in a vulnerable position, annd bad things can happen, and what is the tackler supposed to do? Not tackle?

I've always said that if a player leads with the head into a tackler, it needs to be paid HTB as soon as arms are around the player.

They have removed any duty of care by ducking. And a Whistle will allow the player the soften in the tackle. Otherwise the intent will be to complete the tackle until the ducker is taken to ground.

 

[Hell Boy6669]

Many years ago there was a similar incident where 3 Melbourne players gang tackled a young P. Dangerfield and looked a genuine neck breaker, he escaped unscathed thankfully but from memory it was much worse than Billy’s.

 

[Crow_68]

I think Frampton is a spud of a footballer, and I understand that Mihocek was seriously injured but, having watched the incident live and multiple times since then, I’m not sure what Frampton is meant to do as a footballer that still needs to try and tackle the player coming towards him with the ball.

I hate that the AFL seems to judge incidents based off someone getting injured, rather than the action.

I guarantee that if Mihocek didn’t get injured it would have been a free kick and nothing ever spoken about it again.

It also comes down to the player committing the ‘offence’.

If a Daicos or Cripps had committed the same ‘offences’ as Tex or Frampton, the penalties would have been far more lenient. Let’s not forget the Charlie Cameron Good Bloke defence.

 

[ams4crows]

The duty of care expectations are pretty high for all players considering it's a full contact sport and players know they can get free kicks for high tackles.

 

[Samcro24]

I like how they’re hell bent on preventing serious head injuries. And that potential to cause injury is factored in.

Then a bloke gets his neck broken. Which could have paralysed or killed him.

And the penalty is, checks notes*
3 games

 

[kirky]

I like how they’re hell bent on preventing serious head injuries. And that potential to cause injury is factored in.

Then a bloke gets his neck broken. Which could have paralysed or killed him.

And the penalty is, checks notes*
3 games

You wait and see what Collingwood does tomorrow and if they challenge, lets see what the outcome of that challenge is. I’ve got an inkling of what is likely to occur.

 

[Daniel6]

AFL Hall of fame night.

Have not had time to watch the first hour, but just wanted to say how wonderful Gary Ablett Jn spoke.

A very good speech and a nice trip down memory lane.

 

[pjcrows]

AFL Hall of fame night.

Have not had time to watch the first hour, but just wanted to say how wonderful Gary Ablett Jn spoke.

A very good speech and a nice trip down memory lane.

From experience, one of the great nights in football.

 

[Daniel6]

From experience, one of the great nights in football.

I never have, and never will but would love to go once. Bucket list items for me.

 

[SugarShane]

I like how they’re hell bent on preventing serious head injuries. And that potential to cause injury is factored in.

Then a bloke gets his neck broken. Which could have paralysed or killed him.

And the penalty is, checks notes*
3 games

It's actually a really easy to follow scale.

Push = 1 week

Broken neck = 3 weeks

Offensive word = 4 weeks

 

[footy4ever]

Why are all these super smart parents from generations past having dumb offspring?

Social media.

 

[footy4ever]

From experience, one of the great nights in football.

Especially when you get characters like Peter Darley giving giving epic speeches.

 

[Crowtel]

Offensive word that doesn't actually offend the person it was said to = 4 weeks + 134 news articles + tarred and feathered and shamed

FTFY

 

[screech]

From experience, one of the great nights in football.

Has to be one of the most hidden events in the AFL.

Consider how much they hype even the mid-year draft as a TV event, this should rank as significant as the Brownlow.

Had no idea it was on until I saw this morning's paper. Seems to just creep up each year with no fanfare until it is all announced.

 

[MatthewB]

 

[SugarShane]

Oh to be a club that even has the media mounting a defence for them.

I think we all agree it was an accident, but you can't really tell me it wasn't careless. I know he ducked, but Frampton still rolled him head first towards the ground. I don't really see how dragging him to the ground from that position could've gone much different.

 

[cmndstab]

Oh to be a club that even has the media mounting a defence for them.

I think we all agree it was an accident, but you can't really tell me it wasn't careless. I know he ducked, but Frampton still rolled him head first towards the ground. I don't really see how dragging him to the ground from that position could've gone much different.

Yep. If he didn't duck, Frampton would have just driven his face into the dirt rather than the top of his head.

It was a dangerous tackle however you look at it.

 

[Scorpus]

Oh to be a club that even has the media mounting a defence for them.

I think we all agree it was an accident, but you can't really tell me it wasn't careless. I know he ducked, but Frampton still rolled him head first towards the ground. I don't really see how dragging him to the ground from that position could've gone much different.

If we're going to penalize players for split second decisions about bumping and where that bump lands (eg intended for the chest, hits the head accidentally) then Frampton has to be suspended under the same system

Frampton's action was actually more conscious and controlled - and therefore more careless - than many bumps that have resulted in suspensions

 

[Soggy2112]

I don’t reckon they can argue it’s careless and have him not suspended.

Rightly or wrongly, the AFL’s stance is that you have a duty of care to your opponents, and if you breach that you are responsible for the consequences. If they say it’s careless, they’re still admitting there were other options he didn’t take, and since Mihocek suffered a severe injury he has to get weeks.

It is a tricky one, I watch it and think that Frampton didn’t do a lot wrong, but he also could have done a better job to protect Mihocek from going head first. The question is how much responsibility in a contact sport should players have to protect each other?