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Danger played mostly out of the goal square from his debut up through 2010. Only really started getting a recent run on the ball one Neil Craig quit (in the second half of 2011).

To be fair, it wasn't pick 2 at the time the trade was made, merely "Richmond's first rounder". It got shuffled up the order after that thing happened ;)

I'm in a minority on the Crows board, but I highly suspect if his name was Shaun Jones instead of Shaun McKernan he wouldn't be thought of so highly if that illuminates the matter for you.

Just to prefix not a troll: Weren't you the poster using exactly the same logic re the Ben Rutten rumours last year? Fwiw i have no idea what will happen but it wouldn't shock me to see Knights walk. Mind you, if he did he'd be insane not to take a look around the GC first

I miss the days when these threads only came up in October:o Damned split round!

Just out of curisosity did you all vote for Malcolm Fraser because he loved Carlton? I thought not;)

I think most Crows fans are upset over the word and;) And I'd wager Crows fans are probably in a position to make a more educated although admittedly less objective decision.

Also add me to the chorus of I like Gibbs, but no ****ing way. The currency of being a "former highly rated #1 draft pick" i feel is being exxagerated also. I mean at one stage Luke Livingston was highly rated and a high draft pick, yet you would never reasonably expect much for him...

Good cause and it looks good, hardly a repeat of the M & M debacle.

For a start what you did was bold text, not highlight it, secondly, I must be quite dumb because I cannot see the inconsistancy between that quote and the text that you have bolded. So i'm not lying, and I don't understand you're reference of hypocrisy, so i'm assuming you don't understand...

That's the only response I've made to Parrot;)

That's an amazing effort to distort 50% of what I said in 3 lines. I said reprimand to a week, from what I understand the charge was thrown out. I was close, not deadly accurate, but alot closer than the MRP. Wrong, I've been the only poster other than another Carlton poster to actually use...

You see you've been making a moral judgment this whole time whereas I've been making Legal judgments hence as you have been unable to separate the two you have not understood.

Exactly, under the current rules which the MRP had to abide by there was no way they could let him walk scot free and they didn't, they gave him 4 weeks. The Tribunal then quite rightly greatly reduced this sentence because they use an entirely different set of guidelines. This begs the...

You realise this is the 4th time you've baited me in this thread and I still haven't taken it. You're nowhere near the troll you consider yourself to be.

You misunderstood my point the whole time and it seems you continue to. I never took a moral position as to whether or not Browne should get weeks. I merely argued under a MRP system with the current rules he was always going to get weeks whereas under a tribunal system there would...

And most of my points regarding the idiocy of the concept of the MRP are vindicated ...

Look, I've said my bit, others have said their bit and it seems we're all pretty entrenched in their positisions. The problem with this argument is that I'm using a different perspective from most of BF, i'm using a normative perspective examining what is, which by definition I am correct as...

Because when you bump a player 20 meters off the ball you are negligently or recklessly breaking the rules of AFL football. Unfortunately for Browne this bump was of much higher impact than usual due to circumstances beyond his control. However, by breaking the rule in the first place...

No what I'm saying is that Browne acted somewhere between negligently and recklessly. And don't worry, the MRP system frustrates me to no end also.

If you ever need an opposing fan to recommend you for mod look me up.

Please don't dignify that ****wit with a response.

Out of interest when has this ever happened? And also if you read all my posts you'll find I agree and believe the major problem is with the MRP itself. Agree with most of this, however i do believe that Browne intended to bump Porplyzia which itself is in an eniterely natural reaction...

Which is the basic problem with the MRP concept ... Under the current rules and guidelines the MRP couldn't not give him two or three weeks because they are far too tightly constricted. Whereas a Tribunal could make more reasonable assesments which in this case would probably look more...

Were you at the game? If you were you would have seen Throton and others punching and bumping Porpz shoulders for the whole first two quarters behind plays similar to Brisbane on Riedwvolt a few years back. Nothing illegal about this but certainly shows the instructions and intent were there...

Probably the best post I've read on BF about this so far. For all the crying "He hit my boy" and "How soft is this game" the MRP can only adjudicate using the rules in place. So without any bias in reality we can all agree that a) The hit was high. - There is just no doubt about this...

How is my statement complete rubbish when it in no way contradicts what you've posted? I was merely highlighting the differences between the Gia/Kozi bump and the Browne/Porpz bump (why do all these incidents involve blokes with hard names to spell?) FWIW what I believe is that Thorton and...

Well for a start Gia was laying a shepherd for a team mate who had the ball whereas Browne lined up a player off the ball when that player's team mate had the ball. Completely different incidents. And as for Browne's clean record, I think due to his inexperience it wasn't taken into...

Please link to my post to show me talking about the Crows last flag?:) And no, the only people who argue about history are those who are as I said embarassed about the present and have nothing to say about the future. The history is by definition in the past. Carlton (with the exception...

Ok I get that it's your board and you guys have the right to troll idiots who come on here, but seriously, that is the most bizarre thing to be proud of I've ever encountered on bigfooty. You're proud of winning an elimination final 6 years ago? I mean really come on ... Also while I'm at...