I want sceptics, I want critics

I-Commerce Network Distrubution Business

A great business opportunity exists for those of you open to the idea of increasing your income, and increasing your time flexability. All as you be is teachable and motivated to a well established system.

Sceptics need not answer, as the problem they have if they are negative, (and ALL negative people that bag ideas, never come up with anything worth noting).

Interested people who would like to know more, feel free to pv me.

Re: I-Commerce Network Distrubution Business

Further to this, bonus's are in place such as all expenses paid overseas trips, cash bonus's first one $7500, second one $75,000. Do what they say and YOU can do it. It does work, and it will work without you whether your on board or not.

I have just got myself into a business, it is not a traditional business where you have staff or you outlay heaps of money. It is an I-Commerce business, that is second to only Microsoft for producing wealthy people in America. This business is called Alticor, and this business requires an initial outlay of around $100 minimum, and $220 maximum. You are taught how others have succeeded, and what steps that took to get to where they are now. You go at your own pace, and never are pressured into doing anything.

This business is good because it is jumping in on something that is about to be a trillion dollar business by the year 2010. This business is basically buying direct from wholesalers, and sharing in the profits that Retailers usually get. This business is increasing the range of product they have, producing over 200 pages in a catelog. All their product is of exellent quality. Do you have to buy and sell their product? No. It is however in your best interest to shop from their site. It is everyday stuff so it isn't difficult especially because it is good. How do you make heaps of money if you don't sell product? You tell others to go to this site, shop there, and tell others. Thats it in a nutshell.

I leave it at that, and I will let the sceptics and critics go to work, and I will answer questions if anyone has any. I have went through this business, and it seems there is everything to gain, and nothing to lose, apart from time and effort, which if it is time and effort that is spent the way they say to spend, you can't lose, fire away.

So Amway have changed their name?

Pyramid selling.

It is as old as the Pyramids

>A< said:

Inothing to lose, apart from time and effort

Click to expand...

... and between $100 and $220.

Murray said:

Pyramid selling.

It is as old as the Pyramids

Click to expand...

Actually I heard the Pyramid designers were inspired by Pyramid Schemes

"all you need to do is build 10 pyramids and than get 10 of your friends to build 10 pyramids, trust me you'll get to live in one of them for eternity!"

>A< said:

I have just got myself into a business, it is not a traditional business where you have staff or you outlay heaps of money. It is an I-Commerce business, that is second to only Microsoft for producing wealthy people in America. This business is called Alticor, and this business requires an initial outlay of around $100 minimum, and $220 maximum. You are taught how others have succeeded, and what steps that took to get to where they are now. You go at your own pace, and never are pressured into doing anything.

This business is good because it is jumping in on something that is about to be a trillion dollar business by the year 2010. This business is basically buying direct from wholesalers, and sharing in the profits that Retailers usually get. This business is increasing the range of product they have, producing over 200 pages in a catelog. All their product is of exellent quality. Do you have to buy and sell their product? No. It is however in your best interest to shop from their site. It is everyday stuff so it isn't difficult especially because it is good. How do you make heaps of money if you don't sell product? You tell others to go to this site, shop there, and tell others. Thats it in a nutshell.

I leave it at that, and I will let the sceptics and critics go to work, and I will answer questions if anyone has any. I have went through this business, and it seems there is everything to gain, and nothing to lose, apart from time and effort, which if it is time and effort that is spent the way they say to spend, you can't lose, fire away.

Click to expand...

The problem with this is all your friends will turn on you and end up hating you because the cult you've joined tries to spread message at dinner parties and normal social gatherings etc.

Nothing worse than visiting friends who insist on trying to sell you dishwashing liquid.

I think you've got tons of sceptics and loads of critics. Now how do you turn them into believers?

I know! Seeing as you are in it and making tons of cash you should pay their "$100 to $220" and tell them to pay you back when they have made their millions!

mantis said:

So Amway have changed their name?

Click to expand...

THat's a good call - it's actually Amway's parent coy.

I would like to announce BigWay - the method used by all of BigFooty's top ranked posters.

Just give me 100 posts off your post count, then you can recruit new users who give you 80 posts and 20 to me, and so on.

It's the revolutionary way to explode your post-count to unheard of levels! Don't waste another second! Try this super-powerful method today!

It has got Amway as a part of the parent company Alticor. Now they deal with other companys like Artistry, Emma Page, XS energy, and have partner stores Rebel Sport, Optus etc so Amway is the concept and a supplier to ALticor. Now those of you who say it is a pyramid, isn't a pyramid something that the person under you has no chance of being bigger than you? With this system if I didn't work at it, and a sponsor of mine did, they can go bigger than me. Now that is not a pyramid. It is distubuting product through a network. I can really have a laugh at sceptics naivity because you all thik that you have it all figured out, yet you go with a system that works people into the ground for 40 years, and leaves the elderly for dead when their finished. Hooray, sounds like a good system to me by far better than this system, where you build a network who all buy at one place.

This place instead of giving Tiger woods one hundred million dollars to wear Nike merchandise, they give people who use the most effective advertising tool for them in the market place (Word of mouth) the benefit. Now who would you rather get the money, Tiger Woods or you?

In years gone past Amway used phase one of the plan, that was to sell product to friends and family. The plan now is phase three, where you simply redirect your shopping to an online shop. These manufacturers don't advertise, so the money comes back to you. Your job is to simply tell others about it. This creates a loyalty to an online store who pays the IBO for that loyalty.

Now I tell a friend or family member and they would perfer not to get involved, fine, no problems. Too easy isn't it, there is plenty more people out there that hate the fact now more than ever, that your employee tomorrow can say goodbye to you with no warning, no excuse. Your right, your onto a winner there, don't let me stop you please. Only intellegent people need apply.

>A< said:

Now those of you who say it is a pyramid, isn't a pyramid something that the person under you has no chance of being bigger than you? With this system if I didn't work at it, and a sponsor of mine did, they can go bigger than me. Now that is not a pyramid. It is distubuting product through a network. I can really have a laugh at sceptics naivity because you all thik that you have it all figured out, yet you go with a system that works people into the ground for 40 years, and leaves the elderly for dead when their finished. Hooray, sounds like a good system to me by far better than this system, where you build a network who all buy at one place.

Click to expand...

If you're willing to work that hard, why not just take on a sales job that pays commission? Real estate, car dealers, stockbrokers, commission only sales reps - the really hard working ones pull in six figure salaries, and they're not harassing their family and friends to join these sales pyramids (or distribution networks).

I think you'll find it's a trapezoid.

Suprised you havent posted the site yet >A<, and your referer number or whatever they use so you get your commission. Good luck to you if it works for you.

I do agree on the Tiger Woods principal you mentioned (Im imagining this was copy & pasted straight from Alticor's Rejection Tutorial?(and what the hell kind of name is Alticor??), its quite ridiculous how people will pay top money to wear clothes covered in advertising, not to mention how poor the quality is most of the time.

I think people who have a need to advertise labels on themselves are missing something in their genetics, but they're also an advertisers dream.

Tiger Woods, like stealing candy from a baby (or in his particular case, food from poor and starving slaves)

Speaking of Tiger Woods.. Did anyone see him say He played like a Spaz in an interview after he came 3rd at Augusta this morning?

Shinboners said:

If you're willing to work that hard, why not just take on a sales job that pays commission? Real estate, car dealers, stockbrokers, commission only sales reps - the really hard working ones pull in six figure salaries, and they're not harassing their family and friends to join these sales pyramids (or distribution networks).

Click to expand...

The difference is a passive income. When you get others who get others, who all shop online at the place where everyone is to shop, the money keeps coming in for you when your work is well and truley done. TIME, is the reason these sales guns fail to entice me into there way. They spend heaps of time earning their money. This system if you work hard for a few years, the money keeps coming in, because people keep buying and introducing.

The one about Tiger Woods is directly from me.

And we don't harass our friends and family, it is not like that anymore, my father is in because he sees it, my sisters and brothers are not, they don't simple.

How can you validate real estate agents, and frown apon this. Real Estate agents are like a dog with a bone. They don't let up, we do, we don't want anyone who doesn't understand to get in because they will never aim very high. If you have a dream for something more, you get in, if you don't you don't.

Do you know I don't want to do this, but I want my dream more than I don't want to get out of my comfort zone and talk to people. It is worth it. I am already earning money from this. My upline is earning roughly $1000 a week. He works roughly 15 hours per week. That is $66 per hour for showing a few plans, and meeting people. He has been in it for three years.

>A< said:

That is $66 per hour

Click to expand...

Is that all? It's hardly worth it!

People who sign onto these schemes think they're starting a business, when really they're the customer & don't even know it, eg "it only costs $xxx to get started."

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/home.html

http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/index.html

this link is a very good place to start

http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/Top10thingsIlearned.htm

Can you imagine how much money the retail industry stands to lose if this concept catches on. They stand to lose millions and millions of dollars. Would it then be in their best interest to bag the multi level marketing forcing people back to the traditional method? There are a lot of multi level marketing out there that is just simply a scam. Amway however has stood the test of time, it has been around since the early 70's. There is a way that alot of people stand to lose with this system, that is correct. This way is to do it for a little while and then drop off. The people in your upline are then forced to take on your sponsors. They make the profit and you are left with nothing. But you lose no money that you intitially put in, you actually save over the first month your start up cost.

What happens if you start your own business, then drop off. I brought a Drive Seal franchise for $33,000, and they told me and showed me that you could earn $900 a job, you could do 3 jobs by yourself, and 5 with a partner easily in a week, and choose your own hours of work. Truth was that people are in that system that aren't even paying the franchise fee, and they are very experienced and they get all the cream jobs, while the franchisee is left with the small crappy jobs. Averages $600 a job, and two people can do 3 comfortably Weather Permitting. It was a massive loss.

This system is very little outlay, if I walked away now I lose around $85. The products I have checked in the supermarket, they are either cheaper or at equal to the product this system supply. So how do I lose again, explane it to me again, I can't remember how.

Like I said, the legit system seems to be embraced by everyone, yet it is an absolute joke. You work long hours, (Yes 38 hours is long) work weekends, you put money into a superannuation that cannot contain the lifestyle that you get used to in your working life. You are guilty when your sick, you are guilty when your late due to traffic, you have to suck up to the boss, or he dislikes your, and then if he doesn't like you he sacks you.

Can you imagine what you could get out of Amway if you put 5 years of 38 hours per week into it. Those who can't see that need to really be reprogrammed, because society or our government is telling you exactly the way it should be. It is not your fault, you grow up hearing the normal ways of success. Tell me how many real successfull people through the traditional method are there. This includes being able to travel around doing what tickles your fancy in retirement. And the retiring age is too high at 65, how do you enjoy your freedom at 65+ tell me that.

Everyone simply overlooks what else we have on offer, it is crap. I ask anyone to make light of our current system, never mind bagging a system that has created 20% of the Millionairs in America today.

For those reading who are with me on this, feel free to pm me. I will organise to show you more.

Why is it professional sales people who make a living from sales and know all the tricks and tactics used to close the deal (I myslef are in this category) do not go for these sort of schemes. Beacuse they are a fraud, I give you 6 months before you let it slip but I assure you you wont come here to tell us.

I have seen them all SkyBiz, Amway, Omegatrend, The Natural Toiletries and Skincare Range (whatever it is called), Bio Enviro, this ones premise was actually quite good but again bring MLM it failedn.

I generally get a fair amount of people trying to haggle me into this rubbish becasue I have sold them something or other over my time in the 2 different areas of sales I have been in and I walked away from all of them beacuse they are a load. Stupid people sign up to them stupid people lose there money and some bloke in Utah is generally making squillions becuase he is selling you an Audio Tape full of propganda for $30.

Good sales people earn 6 figures , as has already been stated, bad sales people join MLM. Sales is the highest paid most stressfull hardest work or the least paid easy work.

Your being duped, but currently your washhing yourself in the afterglow of a professional sales spiel , Im interested to hear it to pick it a part for you if you like, youve been made happy with your purchase and you feel you have made the right decision due to what we call a "positive pats" sales line, I have no doubt the guy that sold it to you is pretty good he has done it a few times I would think over the 3 years hes been doing it and has the compnay model sales core down pat.

He now got you running aorund referring whoever you can becasue you believe in the product or service you have been offered and have been "positive pat" sold from the beginning. Keywords for this style of selling in this arena are "Financial Freedom", "Time" and some sort of "high gain, little pain" statement, its simple emotive needs based selling they are just selling on the need of an intangible, who does not want Financial freedom more time and lots of money for little or no work. Whereas product based sales people sell the needs and benefits of a particular product based around for example , Security - "Peace of mind" "Safety" etc etc.

Youve been sold an idea not any sort of product anyone can get together and use buying power to purchase in bulk, what you have been sold is the l"little work, high gain" line the product means nothing, you dont like the idea of cheap products etc etc you like the idea of getting money for little work and that is why isiots like you are fair game for the MLM marketers

"First, let me assure you that this is not one of those shady pyramid schemes you've been hearing about. No, sir. Our model is the trapezoid!"

>A< said:

… It is an I-Commerce business, that is second to only Microsoft for producing wealthy people in America.

Click to expand...

Really? Do you have the figures to support that, or are you just repeating a claim from the Amway website? Has Amway produced more millionaires than, say, the dental, medical, legal, real estate or car sales industries, for a start?

>A< said:

…This business is good because it is jumping in on something that is about to be a trillion dollar business by the year 2010.

Click to expand...

According to the Direct Selling Association USA website, the direct selling industry has annual sales in the USA of 28.7 billion. They have a way to go.

>A< said:

Can you imagine how much money the retail industry stands to lose if this concept catches on. They stand to lose millions and millions of dollars. Would it then be in their best interest to bag the multi level marketing forcing people back to the traditional method? …

Click to expand...

Have you noticed that the people who “bag” MLM are not the big retailers, they are the consumer affairs agencies?

>A< said:

…Amway however has stood the test of time, it has been around since the early 70's.

Click to expand...

And yet, after all that time the big retailers don’t seem to be all that worried.

>A< said:

…Like I said, the legit system seems to be embraced by everyone, yet it is an absolute joke. You work long hours, (Yes 38 hours is long) work weekends, you put money into a superannuation that cannot contain the lifestyle that you get used to in your working life. You are guilty when your sick, you are guilty when your late due to traffic, you have to suck up to the boss, or he dislikes your, and then if he doesn't like you he sacks you.

Click to expand...

If you think 38 hours is a “long working week” then you are a prime target for this trash.

>A< said:

…Can you imagine what you could get out of Amway if you put 5 years of 38 hours per week into it. …

Click to expand...

See my next post.

>A< said:

…never mind bagging a system that has created 20% of the Millionairs in America today.

Click to expand...

Again - stats to support this?


You don't want "skeptics and critics", you are just regurgitating the BS from the Amway website and hoping for recruits.

>A< you might like to consider this, from Peter Bowditch in The [Australian] Skeptic of Summer 2005:

In one place on the DSA website they boast that the industry has annual sales in the USA of $28.7 billion, sold by 13 million distributors. … Ignoring the fact that the total sales is a fictional number based on what the sales would be if all products ended up in the hands of people who are not participants in the system … if you divide $28.7 billion by 13 million you get average annual sales per participant of $2208. Remember that this [is] the gross annual sales income for the year. The average commission rate is about 2% (most people actually receive a lower rate…) so this gives an annual net income before taxes and expenses of $44.15. Net income. For an entire year’s work.

Click to expand...

…the other side got to proudly offer in their favour the statistics that in Australia there are 500,000 MLM participants selling $1.2 billion worth of goods and services each year. This works out to $2,400 gross sales per year per participant.

At the time this was written … the minimum legal wage in Australia was … $24,304.80 per year for someone working 38 hours per week. This is just over ten times the sales for the average MLM participant. … But it gets better, because the $2,400 sales turns into $48 real income at the average commission rate of 2%.

Click to expand...

Still, those billions of dollars are very impressive, so let’s look … I chose one company [Coles Myer] which operates in Australia, a country with about 7% of the population of the USA … In 2004 Coles did $32.3 billion of sales. So we have single company in a country with 20 million people doing 85% of the total business that is being done by a group of 164 companies in a country with 300 million people…

And these companies are about to dominate the retail sales universe? Is it any wonder they have to lie in and with their advertisements? They must be terrified of prospects getting even a hint of the truth.

Click to expand...

Any more questions?