17 yo mini draft a joke

[astro_toby]

Forgive me if a thread on this already exist but....

This mini draft crap is a joke. Wasn't it put in to make the giants more competitive in their first few years??

So what happens? They trade all their picks in this draft for picks in the National draft - making absolutely no difference to their immediate success or how competitive they will be in 2012.

Joke AFL, if you are going to put these things in for a certain reason, at least make a rule or conditions of how it should be used. Baiscally they are just stockpiling the draft so no other club can even access any of the youth that is so important to every clubs success and football plans

 

[year of the roo]

I agree. Those picks should have only been eligible to use on existing players.

 

[arsene wenger1]

They have affectively made the best 17 year olds the property of gws. Reckon all the clubs should have made a pact not to trade with gws for these 17 year olds and instead wait until next year to access them through the national draft

 

[astro_toby]

I agree. Those picks should have only been eligible to use on existing players.

yep. It's so simple. Have no idea why the AFL would not intervene on this. The try ( successfully ) to control every other aspect of the league... yet are not even creating guidelines to how these things will work. Surely if GWS are horrid for 3 years, this won't help anyone?

It just seems to me the AFL perhaps doesn't care if they get used how they sold it would. They are quite happy with GWS & GC controlling the draft for 3 years and leaving the rest of the league to go backwards - in the shortterm it may hurt, but in the long term it will definitely shorten the gap.

In 6 years the majority of clubs will have a mass shortage of top quality 24 year olds while GC & GWS while almost have entire starting 18's of them, all of 1st round quality.

How is this just happening without a whimper from their competitors? are the clubs that controlled by the commission?

 

[Furn]

Forgive me if a thread on this already exist but....

This mini draft crap is a joke. Wasn't it put in to make the giants more competitive in their first few years??

So what happens? They trade all their picks in this draft for picks in the National draft - making absolutely no difference to their immediate success or how competitive they will be in 2012.

Joke AFL, if you are going to put these things in for a certain reason, at least make a rule or conditions of how it should be used. Baiscally they are just stockpiling the draft so no other club can even access any of the youth that is so important to every clubs success and football plans

No, I'm yet to see one shred of evidence that this was the intention. The 3 or 4 articles ive seen on it all said it was to help them build their list. No mention of early years or hard body established players etc, that's just a BF myth.

The thinking behind the scheme is that clubs will trade experienced players, draft picks or both to the Giants, which will help with their list build, with AFL clubs given the chance to claim one of these highly-regarded under-age players in return

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=123309

 

[super_duper_star]

Demetriou is a joke.

Always has been, always will be.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Sure is.

And to add to that the 17 year olds put there names into getting potientally picked up in the hope that they can stay at home and not leave to the other side of australia. Also i no GWS want the best deal they can get by why not wait until the last day of trade week to see if a wa club could get a deal that could land them omeara, so that their doing the best for the kid and if the club couldnt get a good enough offer then give omeara to gold coast instead of jumping right in there. And to end happy for adelaide who are getting a good deal and deserve it after being r*ped from the two new clubs, but GWS and goldcoast(had to give up a fair bit- i no) can go get stuffed.

 

[liz]

The issue with these draft picks is that they are too valuable and not divisible. If O'Meara (and to a lesser extent Crouch) are worth all the hype, these picks are worth top 3 picks. How many clubs have willingly traded a player in the last decade that involved a top 3 pick? The only trade in recent memory to include a top 3 pick was Judd (who was out of contract and wanted to leave). You have to go back to the Hawks trade for the number 1 pick for McPharlin and Croad to get anything close to a club choosing to trade a top line player for a top draft pick, and even then the deal was half driven by McPharlin wanting to go home.

Even of you look for trades involving a pick in the 5-10 range, the most recent was the Burgoyne trade - who was also out of contract and wanting to leave. The trade of Tarrant for pick 8 and Medhurst is the only example of a voluntary trade in that range in recent years that I can recall.

If the AFL really wanted to encourage clubs to offer up decent trade bait to GWS they needed to manufacture picks which had a value in the 15-25 range. Even then most trades involving a pick around this level have in large part been driven by a player wanting to change clubs. But there are enough exceptions to think this kind of currency might have managed to shake loose a decent, experienced player or two in the 50-150 range of best players in the competition, which is probably what GWS needs to make them semi-competitive for the first couple of years.

 

[arsene wenger1]

People have to understand that gws ain't expecting to receive the equivalent compensation of a number 1or 2 pick. If this was the case there would be no trades done involving the mini draft.

 

[Stone in sock]

No, I'm yet to see one shred of evidence that this was the intention. The 3 or 4 articles ive seen on it all said it was to help them build their list. No mention of early years or hard body established players etc, that's just a BF myth.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86738/default.aspx

7. Incentive to other clubs trading with GWS Giants in the 2011 and 2012 post-season:
GWS Giants to be given access to four 17-year-olds born in the January to April 1994 window, with all players to be traded to other clubs. Selections will be allocated to GWS Giants so the club can trade for established players, but the club will not have access to these 17-year-olds. If the four trades are not completed in the 2011 post-season, the balance of up to four trades may be used in the 2012 trading period.

 

[Tommy D]

It will all even out eventually.

With the caps of both GCS and GWS coming into line with all other clubs in the future, they will find it hard to keep all of their players together. Then u also need to factor in that not all of these kids drafted are going to turn out to be as good as hoped and that some, quite a few actually, might want to head back to their home states, too.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

It will all even out eventually.

With the caps of both GCS and GWS coming into line with all other clubs in the future, they will find it hard to keep all of their players together. Then u also need to factor in that not all of these kids drafted are going to turn out to be as good as hoped and that some, quite a few actually, might want to head back to their home states, too.

Ultimately the whole gig is about winning premierships. Something that is essentially guaranteed at the expansion clubs.

All of you biding your time until the ugly demise of these clubs are going to be very bitter, very old, and sorely disappointed.

 

[Hellgood]

It will all even out eventually.

With the caps of both GCS and GWS coming into line with all other clubs in the future, they will find it hard to keep all of their players together. Then u also need to factor in that not all of these kids drafted are going to turn out to be as good as hoped and that some, quite a few actually, might want to head back to their home states, too.

True to an extent, but guess what they will get in return for those players... more flipping draft picks!

 

[liz]

True to an extent, but guess what they will get in return for those players... more flipping draft picks!

Not necessarily with the advent of free agency. For players looking to move when they hit the 23-24 age range - ie approaching their peak and looking for their first really large pay packet if they are good - they will come under the restricted free agency rules. This means that their existing clubs will have the right to match any offer made by another club. But if they really do have a lot of players in this category, the salary cap will start to play its role because they won't be able to match every offer made to every player on their list who is targeted.

 

[Furn]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86738/default.aspx

Yeh thats the article everyones got this idea from. The thing is that is just a summary of GWS's concessions and whoever wrote it has left out the phrase "or draft picks"

There is no mention anywhere of the intention being to make them more competitive in the 1st few seasons. There's no quotes anywhere from AD or AA about that being the intention.

It all comes from a 5 line summary of the rules which someone got wrong and people just can't seem to get over it.

The AFL aren't that stupid if they were intending these pick to be swapped for older players they would have made that a rule.

 

[Avalor]

I agree. Those picks should have only been eligible to use on existing players.

Yep - 100% agree. The whole thing has become a farce!
Bloody mindboggling idiots at AFL headquarters!

 

[eagles rule]

definitely a not very well thought out joke on the clubs bidding players that GWS had no intention of taking .

 

[Stone in sock]

Yeh thats the article everyones got this idea from. The thing is that is just a summary of GWS's concessions and whoever wrote it has left out the phrase "or draft picks"

There is no mention anywhere of the intention being to make them more competitive in the 1st few seasons. There's no quotes anywhere from AD or AA about that being the intention.

It all comes from a 5 line summary of the rules which someone got wrong and people just can't seem to get over it.

The AFL aren't that stupid if they were intending these pick to be swapped for older players they would have made that a rule.

It's an article from the official AFL site that says the mini draft is so GWS can trade for established players, that you appear to have read before, even though you said there was no mention of this in the 3 or 4 articles you have read and that it was a myth.

 

[goodie23]

Not necessarily with the advent of free agency. For players looking to move when they hit the 23-24 age range - ie approaching their peak and looking for their first really large pay packet if they are good - they will come under the restricted free agency rules. This means that their existing clubs will have the right to match any offer made by another club. But if they really do have a lot of players in this category, the salary cap will start to play its role because they won't be able to match every offer made to every player on their list who is targeted.

Interesting thought: Does next year count as a year of service for the likes of O'Meara and Crouch?

Most likely not but it wouldn't surprise me if that's another loophole clubs could try to exploit.

 

[Furn]

It's an article from the official AFL site that says the mini draft is so GWS can trade for established players, that you appear to have read before, even though you said there was no mention of this in the 3 or 4 articles you have read and that it was a myth.

So where does it say anything about the intention of the rule at all or being more competitive in the first years, or hard bodies or any of the other crap people are carrying on about ?

Just because someone left out the words "or draft picks" on one summary that means all those things are true.

 

[Blackas87]

The way Gold Coast and GWS have been able to build their lists has been an entire joke, the mini draft is just part of the joke.

 

[ekzistenz]

So where does it say anything about the intention of the rule at all or being more competitive in the first years, or hard bodies or any of the other crap people are carrying on about ?

Just because someone left out the words "or draft picks" on one summary that means all those things are true.

Here's an excerpt from an article that also discusses the issue, however it's not totally sure if the second part was actually said by Anderson or not. Either way the general consensus was that the picks were to be used for experienced players.

The AFL became involved late on Tuesday and refused to ratify the deal that football operations general manager Adrian Anderson said wasn't in the spirit of the mini-draft trade incentive scheme that was designed to help the League's newest club attract experienced players.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/124988/default.aspx

 

[yakka man]

They have affectively made the best 17 year olds the property of gws. Reckon all the clubs should have made a pact not to trade with gws for these 17 year olds and instead wait until next year to access them through the national draft

I said the same thing on our board and also stated that the mini draft is stupid. Everyone shot me down and said I had a "victim mentality". The concessions the Suns received were ludicrous but GWS basically now get so far an extra 3-4 first round draft picks and they still have two more spots to auction off next year. There are struggling clubs that need access to the best talent of the land and all of it is heading two ways, Suns or Giants.

 

[Gooka]

The silly thing is, GWS aren't allowed access to the kids, but GC are. What's the difference. They've both been given stupid amounts of draft picks etc.

It's really silly. Instead of being at one expansion club, they go to another, which is also chock full of young talent.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

GWS obviously have come up with a plan to try and have all thier players mature/peak at about the same time.

Problem with this is they wont have a staggered approach to age spread accross thier list and all thier good players will be seeking thier big "pay days" at the same time.

I cant see how they will be able to satisfy the wage demands in 4-5 years and plenty of these kids will be ripe for the picking after GWS have done all the hard work developing them.

What goes around comes around you just wait and see.