1990 vs 2010

[jmac70]

The 2010/11 team was the best Collingwood side I have seen. Should have been back to back.

 

[GETSOMENUTS]

The 2010/11 team was the best Collingwood side I have seen. Should have been back to back.

Yep 100%. Too bad some(one) at the club put themselves before the team

 

[doodles98]

1990 were harder and had more out and out champions.. Millane, McGuane, Shaw, Brown, Daicos... they would have smashed 2010 in physicality. 2010 had a better team synchronization and killer game plan/style though.

 

[Greening Magic]

I think many underrate the 1990 team. Brown, Millane, Daics, McGuane brilliant. Scotty Russell and Graham Wright just behind them. Shane Morwood pure silk out of the back half. Monkey as good as Jolly. Shaw like Ball. Christian and Kelly solid. They just lacked a Cloke. If I had to back a team I'd just favour 2010 because of the Cloke factor.

Note: Went to both, for some reason enjoyed 2010 even more than 1990. Can't explain why.

 

[Deathray]

Totally agree with the praise of Wright, Russel and I would even add Francis who played possibly there best seasons. This is why I can't understand some people writing off next year as developmental. All it takes is a few to unexpectedly step up and were a big chance.

 

[Hinequarters]

Does anyone remember the home and away game against Essendon a few weeks before the finals and it all came down to that pile up in our goal square and we just couldn't get that goal.. the intensity was basically what you see these days, a moment 20 years ahead of it's time.. the raging bull charging through dragging a black and red rag doll behind him just before he gets hit and Brown, Keays and Daicos spearing the pack from different directions.. the commentators just flipped out because they'd never seen that kind of football before.. it was awesome


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ps: Bomber Thompson cheating even back then, deliberate out of bounds before the rule was put in place

And how about Kelly's gather and disposal under pressure in the dying seconds.. hope Jake is just as good Ned

 

[Ed D]

I tell you what, watching that video (great game) the skills back then weren't near today's standards. I get that the game was at high intensity, but there were so many grubbers and miskicks, even short sideways ones. In today's game they'd end up being costly turnovers. Also the handballing was nowhere near as sharp. I think it just goes to show how much more football today is based on the team and strategy, rather than one on one contests.

 

[Hinequarters]

I tell you what, watching that video (great game) the skills back then weren't near today's standards. I get that the game was at high intensity, but there were so many grubbers and miskicks, even short sideways ones. In today's game they'd end up being costly turnovers. Also the handballing was nowhere near as sharp. I think it just goes to show how much more football today is based on the team and strategy, rather than one on one contests.

Players are definitely sharper these days but it was a bog heap that day, I've seen some awful skill games in that weather in modern times

 

[Mick98]

The 2010/11 team was the best Collingwood side I have seen. Should have been back to back.

^^^^this

Yet again we failed to deliver.

If you've been a Collingwood supporter for 30 years plus,our ineptitude is unparalleled

 

[Hinequarters]

^^^^this

Yet again we failed to deliver.

If you've been a Collingwood supporter for 30 years plus,our ineptitude is unparalleled

Hardly ineptitude, we came up against the modern day superteam and our perfect match up for Hawkins (Brown) was out with an ACL and then Reid did a thigh on the day, Jolly was on one leg and Beams was out injured and a slew of players were underdone from injuries leading into the finals.. more often than not it's been Lady Luck that has decided our fate.. not ineptitude

 

[Mick98]

Hardly ineptitude, we came up against the modern day superteam and our perfect match up for Hawkins (Brown) was out with an ACL and then Reid did a thigh on the day, Jolly was on one leg and Beams was out injured and a slew of players were underdone from injuries leading into the finals.. more often than not it's been Lady Luck that has decided our fate.. not ineptitude

Excuses,excuses.

This is our problem.

 

[Vicky Park]

Does anyone remember the home and away game against Essendon a few weeks before the finals and it all came down to that pile up in our goal square and we just couldn't get that goal.. the intensity was basically what you see these days, a moment 20 years ahead of it's time.. the raging bull charging through dragging a black and red rag doll behind him just before he gets hit and Brown, Keays and Daicos spearing the pack from different directions.. the commentators just flipped out because they'd never seen that kind of football before.. it was awesome


18min 40sec in



ps: Bomber Thompson cheating even back then, deliberate out of bounds before the rule was put in place

And how about Kelly's gather and disposal under pressure in the dying seconds.. hope Jake is just as good Ned

I remember that game, not the detail of it, but the feeling afterwards, when I just 'knew'. For me, the possibilty of us winning the flag that year became a reality after that game. Footy's funny like that. There were a couple of games in 2009 when I saw glimpses of the awesome team we became in 2010, and started to get that feeling again. Great feeling to have!

 

[speedytiger]

I remember that game, not the detail of it, but the feeling afterwards, when I just 'knew'. For me, the possibilty of us winning the flag that year became a reality after that game. Footy's funny like that. There were a couple of games in 2009 when I saw glimpses of the awesome team we became in 2010, and started to get that feeling again. Great feeling to have!

I too was at that game, got to speak to Gavin Brown before the game and premier Joan Kirner after it! She was wearing red and black, deserved to get voted out

 

[Robroy22]

The penny dropped for a lot of people after that game. People claim the drawn first final that year hampered the Bombers but it was THIS game that told them our young team was HUNTING THEM DOWN. They were the big guns and we were the minnows yet this game told everyone that the new breed had arrived. The Bombers didn't get within 6 goals of us for the rest of '90.

And just on the skills angle, yes it was high intensity and a wet day (and Waverley...the ice rink) but they weren't using the wet weather balls they do now so that Sherrin would have been sodden and slippery and heavy as hell as the quarter dragged on.

Loved the goal square pile up described by the OP and when you see who it is involved it was quintessential of that team. Millane came from one angle, Brown from another (actually copping a head clash from) Daicos and young Terry Keays who would be too young to draft these days.

Also the commentators made a point of saying that Anderson had towelled Darren Millane early in this match, this was the game that Pants broke his thumb in. Yet he played on and of course played out the next 6 weeks with as well.

This replay highlighted the team play that the '90 side was famous for and also its toughness. Great memories of "Nerky" Turner, The human blanket Michael Gayfer and those "unskilled midfielders" Francis, Russell, McGuane, Shaw, Barwick, Millane, Wright, Morwood and Brown.

Every season has "turning point games" where old sides get found out and new sides start to challenge as the find their self belief. This was the '90 magpies breakout match. Lets hope history repeats with our young pies this year.

 

[doodles98]

I tell you what, watching that video (great game) the skills back then weren't near today's standards. I get that the game was at high intensity, but there were so many grubbers and miskicks, even short sideways ones. In today's game they'd end up being costly turnovers. Also the handballing was nowhere near as sharp. I think it just goes to show how much more football today is based on the team and strategy, rather than one on one contests.

The footballs they used back then were considerably different and more difficult to kick and handle than the ones they use today... especially in the wet they turned into bricks. The ones they play with today are a tighter shape, smaller and lighter... similar to the evolution of soccer balls.. it's hard to compare skill sets in different eras because of this.

 

[jmac70]

The footballs they used back then were considerably different and more difficult to kick and handle than the ones they use today... especially in the wet they turned into bricks. The ones they play with today are a tighter shape, smaller and lighter... similar to the evolution of soccer balls.. it's hard to compare skill sets in different eras because of this.

Imagine what the Marvel could do with today's balls.

 

[Smoky]

1990 team would have won...

God wore Black and White that day.

 

[Ed D]

The footballs they used back then were considerably different and more difficult to kick and handle than the ones they use today... especially in the wet they turned into bricks. The ones they play with today are a tighter shape, smaller and lighter... similar to the evolution of soccer balls.. it's hard to compare skill sets in different eras because of this.

Yeah it would certainly have some effect, although I still think quite a few 20m passes under no pressure which missed targets would be turnovers in today's game. The handballing was also a lot slower and given more air time. That's just what I picked up on pretty quickly as I don't often watch replays. AFL in 2010 was a lot more about hitting targets and moving the ball quickly than 1990, and the defensive pressure was about as high as it got for the Pies, which makes me think that unless the 1990 side got the mental edge and played hard at the player, the 2010 side would walk away with it comfortably.

 

[jmac70]

1990 team would have won...

God wore Black and White that day.

Given our tragic history of failure, interspersed with occassion moments of glory, I don't think there can be any doubt that God barracks for the Pies.

 

[Robroy22]

Yeah it would certainly have some effect, although I still think quite a few 20m passes under no pressure which missed targets would be turnovers in today's game. The handballing was also a lot slower and given more air time. That's just what I picked up on pretty quickly as I don't often watch replays. AFL in 2010 was a lot more about hitting targets and moving the ball quickly than 1990, and the defensive pressure was about as high as it got for the Pies, which makes me think that unless the 1990 side got the mental edge and played hard at the player, the 2010 side would walk away with it comfortably.

And that's the point mate. I really loved watching the 2010 team run and gun, their pressure and the twin towers up front plus Leroy really made them an awesome machine. But St.Kilda who had a lot less skill and fitness ran them to a draw in the first GF.

The 1990 team was a pack of mongrels who could destroy the confidence of any "run and gun team".
I think the match ups between these 2 sides would be a promoters delight. Monkhurst v Jolley, Shaw and Ball, Wright v Thomas, McGuane and Pendlebury, Manson v Leigh Brown (omg that's a war!!) Kelly and Cloke, Gayfer and Didak, Reid and Crosisca. Perhaps the 2010 team would struggle to cover the 1990 short forward line? No way could Nathan Brown play on Daicos...Heath Shaw would have to and Harry O'Brien would probably have to play Gavin Brown or a combination of Harry and Tooves. Either way Daics and Rowdy would win....they always won!

Millane and Swan intrigues me. They'd probably never oppose each other directly but they'd both have such an influence on the outcome.

And then Matthews versus Malthouse. We know what happened when the opposed each other in 2002-3. A lot of people believe MM to be an overpowering influence as a coach but Lethal would have to be the most uncompromising coach since McHale. Both sensational tacticians and finals specialists, the match would be a beauty!

My view? 1990 because they had Daicos. He, Millane and Brown would get them home. And Charlie Manson would either have knocked Leroy out or vice versa!

 

[Optimax]

1990 wins.
Simply because they only had to have one go at winning the bloody thing.
Unlike 2010 who, for the sake of one bounce, almost blew it and had to have another go.

Sumich missing from ten put saved us in 1990.

We are collingwood, we always need a stroke of luck to make up for the mandatory self inflicted foot shooting

 

[Optimax]

Excuses,excuses.

This is our problem.

At least his are reasonable truthful excuses

Not the useful choose a demon jumpsuit ones..Mick 2011, rocca suspension 03, umpires 02, hafey over training 77, we are littered with them.

 

[TradeDraft]

The romantics will say 1990.

But 2010 were taller, stronger, faster and more skillful.

Footy is way much different between 1990 and 2010

 

[jmac70]

Footy is way much different between 1990 and 2010

The difference in footy between 1990 and 2010 is irrelevent when comparing the two sides. If the players from 1990 were developed in the contemporary era there is nothing to suggest that they would not have been as good or even better than they were in the past.

 

[TradeDraft]

The difference in footy between 1990 and 2010 is irrelevent when comparing the two sides. If the players from 1990 were developed in the contemporary era there is nothing to suggest that they would not have been as good or even better than they were in the past.

In that Scenario we will have no Idea who would win. 1990 be a different side