$2.2M Profit!!

[Danni]

Whoa! That's a biggie. No sale of catering rights or the likes in this one! $4-5M currently in the bank!

p.s.- Gotta enjoy pipping Collingwood at the post yet again - Lions 2.2M, Collingwood 2.03M. They have more members, more merchandising sales, and profits from a Social Club too, all in all not a bad effort by our lot!

 

[Mr Ripper]

Yes. Well done to Bully Boy. He may be a miserly, arrogant henry, but at least he's secured our short to mid-term future.

$2.2mill would make a nice deposit on a social club, dontchas reckon?

 

[CarterS]

A good financial turnaround, although they better bloody not raise membership prices.

 

[leaper]

Danni

Do you know if anyything has been published, or do we have to wait until prior to the AGM some time in February.

This is the earliest they have been out. So much easier to report good news rather than try and put a positive spin on less than impressive dodgy figures.

 

[Danni]

Originally posted by CarterS
A good financial turnaround, although they better bloody not raise membership prices.

Carter they haven't raised membership prices. One seating category has been discarded and the seats in that category split up and recategorised, with the majority going 'up' in category (the way they are in finals rather than during the season). So that is a price rise for those people wishing to retain those seats, however for those affected there was a sort of intermediate price between what they used to pay and what the full price is for the category they have gone up to.

The rest of membership prices didn't go up one iota. Some of the membership add on's increased by $5 or so, but membership itself didn't rise. First time in a few years it hasn't gone up in my memory.

Leaper,

I have no idea. I just read it on the net/in the paper this morning. I doubt we'll get much more info than those articles and quotes by Downie until we get the annual report and voting papers that will be sent out in the next couple of months.

 

[ROCK22]

You're making 2.2 million a season, have three brownlow medalists in your team and a host of champions, yet you are given salary cap concessions. Therefore i dont rate the last three premierships.

Hawthorn could have kept a player like Jade Rawlings etc etc.

Just remember "bears" supporters, three premierships won purely on AFL concessions

 

[Danni]

Originally posted by ROCK22
You're making 2.2 million a season, have three brownlow medalists in your team and a host of champions, yet you are given salary cap concessions. Therefore i dont rate the last three premierships.

Hawthorn could have kept a player like Jade Rawlings etc etc.

Just remember "bears" supporters, three premierships won purely on AFL concessions

What does a $2.2M profit have to do with Salary Cap concessions? Unless you are referring to the fact that without that concession it would have been a $2.86M profit?

 

[ROCK22]

I'm simply saying that the club does not require any concessions. End of story. The club is doing well financially. Football is obviously booming, the salary cap concessions are not required. Once you win a premiership being on level pegging with all victorian teams, then i'll rate it. Otherwise, its an uneven competition

 

[Danni]

Originally posted by ROCK22
I'm simply saying that the club does not require any concessions. End of story. The club is doing well financially. Football is obviously booming, the salary cap concessions are not required. Once you win a premiership being on level pegging with all victorian teams, then i'll rate it. Otherwise, its an uneven competition

Another self proclaimed expert on how the disadvantages of playing football in queensland being evened up via salary cap concessions is apparently equal to starting on a level playing field with Victorian/SA/WA clubs and being given something extra to manufacture success.

When you have an inkling of how the concessions came about, who agreed to them, why they agreed to them, when they were introduced in their current format, what affect that has had since their introduction, and what the alternate proposals have been since to water them down that were rejected by the AFL, then you might find something small to quible with. Until then, sticking to the uneducated partyline of 'bought flags', sprouting it on the Lions board at Lions supporters, is self induldgent excuse for your teams lack of success over the last 3 years.

 

[ROCK22]

Just giving your supporters a reality check. The concessions have secured premiership success for the Brisbane Lions. Its an unequal competition.

There should never have been any concessions given in the first place. The sooner the salary cap concessions are removed the better. As far as the majority of football supporters are concerned, there is no doubt that the Brisbane "Bears/Lions" Football Club will be remembered as a great team who did have support from the AFL to ensure success in the state of QLD. To the average supporter, 2001, 2002, and 2003 will be remembered as the years the AFL promoted the game in the northern state. There are some great players in your side, however the salary cap concession tag can never be removed from those premiership victories.

Lethal knew the advantages of coaching Brisbane the moment he took control. He is certainly no fool. Wouldn't expect anything less from an ex Hawthorn Champion.

 

[Danni]

Originally posted by ROCK22

Lethal knew the advantages of coaching Brisbane the moment he took control. He is certainly no fool. Wouldn't expect anything less from an ex Hawthorn Champion.

Are you by chance suggesting that Lethal knew he could use these concessions to his advantage and that part of his decision making in relation to taking the coaching position was the enticement of these concessions and what he could achieve because of them?

 

[bloodsports]

Originally posted by ROCK22
You're making 2.2 million a season, have three brownlow medalists in your team and a host of champions, yet you are given salary cap concessions. Therefore i dont rate the last three premierships.

Hawthorn could have kept a player like Jade Rawlings etc etc.

Just remember "bears" supporters, three premierships won purely on AFL concessions

Unfortunatley for you ROCK 22 history only remembers winners , not reasons or losers.

 

[Denno]

Originally spouted by ROCK22
Absolute crap

Run along before you actually learn something. You've already shown how limited you are.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by ROCK22
Just giving your supporters a reality check.

No you're not. You're just giving us a reason to bag the crap out of you for your ****eful posts.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Originally posted by Stocka
No you're not. You're just giving us a reason to bag the crap out of you for your ****eful posts.

I agree. Replace that ROCK with a BRAIN and we may consider listening to you. Well done Danni for taking this moron seriously for so long...

 

[Danni]

Originally posted by rchowell
Well done Danni for taking this moron seriously for so long...

Hehe thanks for the act of confidence rchowell. Just don't do it. DON'T DO IT. Let me do it please. JUST LET ME DO IT!!!!!! It's there.............it's sooooooooooooooooooooooo close! Rock is teetering over the edge.........just needs that gentlest of breezes to tip him off the rocky outcrop of self arrogance that he lives on.............

If Rock doesn't show by midday tommorow, open slather to all Lions supporters to correct the arrogant pillock about the creation of the current concessions.........

 

[Grasshopper17]

Originally posted by Danni
If Rock doesn't show by midday tommorow, open slather to all Lions supporters to correct the arrogant pillock about the creation of the current concessions.........

Goodo... Pity I'll be watching the tennis

 

[ROCK22]

Ah the bears have responded

 

[ROCK22]

Just remember bears

Salary cap concessions=premierships

Thats what the Brisbane Bears Football club will be remembered for. The team that was given an advantage by the AFL to secure premierships, or atleast be in the finals for an extended period. Try fitting three brownlow medalists in a Melbourne team... NO CHANCE!

 

[mick ryan]

Originally posted by ROCK22
Just remember bears

Salary cap concessions=premierships

Thats what the Brisbane Bears Football club will be remembered for. The team that was given an advantage by the AFL to secure premierships, or atleast be in the finals for an extended period. Try fitting three brownlow medalists in a Melbourne team... NO CHANCE!

Clearly you are an honors graduate from the Mick Malthouse/Eddie McGuire College for whingeing Victorian Imbeciles.

And the bad news Rockspider is that they'll probably make it four in a row, one thing is for sure though and that is the Chicken Hawks wont stop them.

 

[Grasshopper17]

You know, there a lot of idiots out there who whinge and whine about the salary cap concessions, but on occasions some of them actually make something approaching semi-valid points. You weren't even capable of that!

Originally posted by ROCK22
You're making 2.2 million a season, have three brownlow medalists in your team and a host of champions, yet you are given salary cap concessions. Therefore i dont rate the last three premierships.

You link profit to premierships. That's nonsensical - how much profit you make does not influence how much money you have to spend. Funny you should bring that up when you seem to know so much about the salary cap

And *yawn* it seems as if I have to repeat it for the millionth time - but just by way of example if you are an employee of a nationwide company and you are from Melbourne and you are asked to go to work in Sydney, you are going to be asked to be paid more. It is simple, basic, economic COMMON SENSE. A phenomenon that is no doubt new to you.

Originally posted by ROCK22
Hawthorn could have kept a player like Jade Rawlings etc etc.

Correct! And maybe Hawthorn SHOULD have kept Jade Rawlings. Hell, maybe Hawthorn WOULD have kept Jade Rawlings, if they had the foggiest idea of how to manage their player list! Let's have a look at Collingwood shall we. This footy club has made the last 2 grand finals, and is yet to delist or trade a player for salary cap reasons. Now how is that possible you may ask, when Hawthorn, who finished NINTH this year, cannot fit players into the salary cap, when Essendon of 2002 (who finished FIFTH) has salary cap trouble, when Melbourne of 2002 (who finished SIXTH) has salary cap trouble? I'll tell you how it's possible - it's possible because despite the fact that the draft and salary cap have been in place for 15 years now, the Victorian clubs are still living in the Byzantine Era and still have no idea what they are doing when it comes to player payments! They are all living in the past! Essendon are still trying to pay their players as though it is the year 2000, the same with Melbourne, and Hawthorn think it's still 2001. A week is a long time in footy, 2-3 years is an eternity! Is it any wonder that West Coast, Adelaide, and even Port Adelaide have NEVER had any problems with the salary cap, despite spending periods of time in the AFL being spectacularly successful? No, because they have realised faster than the Victorian clubs that this is a NATIONAL, 21ST CENTURY competition, and are managing their finances accordingly.

Oh woops, then again, maybe it's cos Collingwood made a $2m profit this year. That's right, silly me. No wonder they can still afford all their players

Originally posted by ROCK22
Just remember "bears" supporters, three premierships won purely on AFL concessions

You seem to have this fixation about referring to the Brisbane Lions as the Bears. Or "bears" as you put it. I mentioned something about the Byzantine Era before...

Originally posted by ROCK22
I'm simply saying that the club does not require any concessions. End of story. The club is doing well financially. Football is obviously booming, the salary cap concessions are not required. Once you win a premiership being on level pegging with all victorian teams, then i'll rate it. Otherwise, its an uneven competition

You seem to be relating on field performance to off field performance, which is strange given the fact that as I described above (and as Danni told you before), the two are clearly not related. You obviously don't realise that salary cap concessions are NOT in place to improve financial performance, they are in place to allow the Lions (and the Swans) to be given the OPPORTUNITY to be equally competitive with every other club in the AFL, and opportunity that would not exist otherwise for reasons given above.

"Football is obviously booming" yes you are quite right, and why? Oh no it couldn't possibly be the fact that Brisbane have a very good coach, it couldn't possibly be because they have a very good management, and it couldn't possibly be because they have a sensational core leadership group that has emphasised the term TEAM like no other in my time watching football, indeed, any sport. It could also have something to do with a little something called the DRAFT - people tend to forget that that core leadership group I mentioned before, nearly all of them came out of the drafting process in the early 1990s, when Brisbane were at the bottom of the ladder. Coincidence? I think not, but oh no it couldn't possibly be that Brisbane recruited brilliantly during the 1990s, because that would be giving in to the age old Victorian tradition of finding an excuse because you just can't accept that somebody is better at something than you. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to - dare I say it - the 21st century.

What people like yourself fail to realise is that inevitably, Brisbane are going to slide down the ladder, as has happened to any club. How well the playing group is managed, coached and so on (yes all those factors I have already mentioned) will determine how far they slip, but, sadly, it is also inevitable that whenever the slide does happen, purely as a result of the mechanisms of the draft, that ********s like McGuire will jump around yelling bulldust like "You see, you see! I told you they had unfair advantages!!! They only won 3 premierships cos they had more money than the rest of us!" Obviously this will be inaccurate, but statements like that will still be made, which will be very sad.

Interesting then you should mention an uneven competition. Let me tell you what an uneven competition is. An uneven competition is one in which clubs like Brisbane and Sydney are given the same resources as all the other 14 clubs, and are expected to be equally competitive as them, despite the fact that, purely due to the sporting/cultural background of the two states, the supporting infrastructure that exists so prevalently in the southern states (VFL, SANFL, WAFL etc), just is not there in the north. In the north, children also have the choices of the two rugby codes, a choice which is more or less irrelevant in the south. We've all heard stories from Jason Akermanis about being bagged for playing footy as a kid, I am sure it's not so bad at the moment but as soon as the slide begins, football will no doubt lose popularity again, simply because it is not ingrained in the Queensland psyche like it is in the south.

Originally posted by ROCK22
Lethal knew the advantages of coaching Brisbane the moment he took control. He is certainly no fool. Wouldn't expect anything less from an ex Hawthorn Champion.

Ah yes Leigh Matthews I was glad you got to him. I think we've all realised that as much as anything, Lethal is a man of principle and 99.9% of the time will tell it like it is. The only time I have ever seen/heard him remotely detour from that path is when he sais Nigel Lappin had the flu in Grand Final week. And hey when the example is set by a 4 time premiership coach you follow it don't you! We could compare him to Mick Malthouse, who was furious back in 1996 of being robbed of a home final, yet earlier this year stated, "there should be a final at the MCG every week". Strange. I didn't know changing clubs forced you to change your principles on everything - certainly it hasn't changed Lethal so dramatically. What I am getting at is you compare what I've said to the time when a very emotional Leigh Matthews came on Talking Footy that night and spoke about the effect the draft concessions were having on football in Brisbane, I think it is fair to say that a) he was telling it like it was/is, and b) he hadn't realised the extent of the effect when he was in Melbourne. Therefore I think it is fairly safe to say that the McGuires and the McMahons, and all the other idiots feeding rubbish to you Victorians, have got absolutely no idea what the football world is like in Queensland, and therefore I'm afraid don't really have the right to a qualified opinion. Maybe when Eddie and co took their sojourn to the Sunshine Coast in September, they might have done a bit of research to find out the TRUTH. But no, they would have been wrong, and as we all know, Eddie can NEVER be WRONG

Originally posted by ROCK22
Try fitting three brownlow medalists in a Melbourne team... NO CHANCE!.

Ah! He speaketh the truth! Tis a pleasant change! Sorry I think I slipped into a bit of Byzantine talk there for a moment. Speaking of which, perhaps such a frame of mind explains why the Victorian clubs would have trouble fitting 3 brownlow medallists into a Melbourne team!

I would respond to the rest of your abominable tripe Rocky but I would just be repeating myself and I would just end up going round and round in circles and make you dizzy. Maybe you already are dizzy, I mean it can't be very often you are confronted with the truth, hidden down there in Medieval Victoria and all. Must be a new experience for you. Oh and by the way, to paraphrase the words of 3AW's Clinton Grybas, whenever I refer to Victorians, I am referring to Victorians who don't follow the Lions. You peoples have their heads screwed on the right way

Now I really gotta go have a lie down... My eyes are getting sore...

 

[SpecialBruce]

Originally posted by ROCK22
Therefore i dont rate the last three premierships.

Do you know what?

I don't rate your posts.

You're clearly a brainless moron.

Maybe if your team tried to manage their list correctly and had good management and had actually good players, you wouldn't be complaining about concessions.

You're making excuses for why your team can't perform. Maybe look at your club, people involved at your club (players and non players) and maybe you'll be successfull when you change some things around.

Until then, go whinge to your mummy.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Originally posted by ROCK22
Therefore i dont rate the last three premierships.

I do and I'll rate them and throw in some great memories:

2000 - Run over tired Essendon in the 3rd Q. Voss's goal in the last Q. First GF win and not knowing what to do. YOU BEAUTY!

2001 - Very tense game. Probably our best team and season but ironically the closest game. Akermanis's left foot snap. Pie fans booing some Lions players as they collect their medals. RELIEF!

2002 - Go in underdogs and smash favourites. Cole looks up and see 3 lions, fumble, Power handball to Voss, kick to Lynch, mark and goal from boundary. Pike's goal from boundary and hello to the pies fans. Aker holding up 3 fingers after his 2nd last goal. BEST YET!

 

[ROCK22]

rchowell

You obviously have plenty of time on your hands, thanks for the thesis.

All you have to remember is this, the AFL is simply trying to promote the game up north. Salary Cap concessions are the key to this. Take out a black and akermanis -- close to the equivalent of the salary cap concessions and the team looks even again. Two or three players is all it takes for a side to be brought back to reality.

Like I said, Lethal is not foolish. He realises that the salary cap advantages that the club has, and has added to his brilliant career as player and coach.

 

[ROCK22]

I call you bears as i dont consider you victorian. Fitzroy Lions forever