2008 PDFL split

["The Roar Is Back"]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

I agree I beleive that a north/south - VIC/NSW system or a least a system divided geographicly was proposed when the CGVFL was disolved and they were talking about adding the likes of Yea. The propsal was rejected by the current PDFL members then and would be rejected again. This system of dividing clubs into divisions because of their geographical area would be the least fairest way of doing it out of all the proposed systems.

A bit of info based on Geographic, before Berrigan joined the PDFL Tungamah was the only club more than 65 klms directly from Picola. All of the inclusion's since have been outside that distance. Interestingly 5 clubs which play in the KDFL, a similar standard to the PDFL are inside that distance Undera, Gig, Merrigum , Lancaster and Tally , and Stanhope are 67klms from Picola.

 

[GrassKat]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

 

[Charles Mac]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

Looks ok. Here is another option. With KDFL, MFL and PDFL there is 40 or 41 teams(not to familar with all the leagues). With 40 clubs 4 leagues could be formed. 1 could be situated around Shep ie Tunga, Dookie, Shep East, dookie, Violet Town, Tonny, Congupna, Rumba, Tally and maybe one other. Based on the traditional Tungamah LEague. That would leave the traditional sides in the MFL the others in the KDFL. The PDFL would have 12 sides that have a longer affiliation with the league.

Just 1 idea. No doubt there will be many many more.

 

[Big Wheel]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

This is not a bad idea. Thank god we have you teaching the youth of today. I see you were in the best on the weekend champ..!! good work

 

[theintimidator]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

I do like this idea its kind of going back to old Picola and Tungamah leagues of the late 80's early 90's. It definatly gets one point for fixing some of the travelling issues for some clubs (although some of the vic clubs in comp 2 may not see it that way). It gets a secong point for fixing the problem with the size of the current picola league. But it goes shy of getting a third point for evening up the competion particularly in "comp 1".

But this is the problem really isnt it? I see the three biggest issues when looking at re-structuring a league as

1. Making the amount of teams in the league managable i:e less than 16

2. Trying to keep the travelling down to a reasonable amount! (PTF your last example does this well)

3. Trying to keep the standard of teams in a league similar.

My 3 Div MFL/PDFL gets points for league size and competitvness but doesnt improve travelling (doesnt make it any worse though)

Does anyone have an idea that ticks all three boxes???

 

[GrassKat]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

I do like this idea its kind of going back to old Picola and Tungamah leagues of the late 80's early 90's. It definatly gets one point for fixing some of the travelling issues for some clubs (although some of the vic clubs in comp 2 may not see it that way). It gets a secong point for fixing the problem with the size of the current picola league. But it goes shy of getting a third point for evening up the competion particularly in "comp 1".

Comp 1 would be more even than you think. Wunghnu will struggle in any comp.

 

[sjwt]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

I do like this idea its kind of going back to old Picola and Tungamah leagues of the late 80's early 90's. It definatly gets one point for fixing some of the travelling issues for some clubs (although some of the vic clubs in comp 2 may not see it that way). It gets a secong point for fixing the problem with the size of the current picola league. But it goes shy of getting a third point for evening up the competion particularly in "comp 1".

But this is the problem really isnt it? I see the three biggest issues when looking at re-structuring a league as

1. Making the amount of teams in the league managable i:e less than 16

2. Trying to keep the travelling down to a reasonable amount! (PTF your last example does this well)

3. Trying to keep the standard of teams in a league similar.

My 3 Div MFL/PDFL gets points for league size and competitvness but doesnt improve travelling (doesnt make it any worse though)

Does anyone have an idea that ticks all three boxes???

I saw a finals match between Picola and Shep east 1 or 2 years ago and i can tell you now form an honest opinion that they wouldnt be able too compete with the murray league clubs. We have too remember that the Murray league is classed as a major league and the Picola league as a minor league. i think that the Murray league is fine as it is. I wouldnt want a merger. Then you have too also think about the netballers because some clubs have stronger netballers then footballers etc this is why it would be too hard for the divisions too work

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Well heres another thought :
Current PDFL sides,
Berrigan, Tungamah, Jeriliderie, Katandra, Denis Rovers, Yarraweah, Waaia, Starthy, Katty, Dookie, Shepp East, Blighty, Wunghnu, Picola, Mathoura, Katunga

Possible additions based on leagues close to our border : Billabong Crows, Rennie in one direction Hay and Wakool in the opposite direction or some of the Bdfl sides the other way, honestly doubt any KDFL or HDFL would show an interest to move leagues ??

As a player who lives in Echuca, Hay is albeit as close as Jerilderie, 1/2 hour further than Berrigan, Dookie and Tungamah.

2 x 10 team comps
Comp 1
Hay, Rovers, Blighty, Wakool, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie, Katty

or

2 x 9 team comps
Comp 1
Rovers, Blighty, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu , Katty

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie,

Should reduce travel, Berrigan I have no conerns about competiting in comp 2, Jerilderie appear to be going ok, fair population, and I have no idea about Rennie, Billabong Crows to be honest so would be guided by others !!
Look may not suit all but whats the thoughts ??


Reduces travel , reduces amount of teams in one league, and based on the last ten years puts the 5 most sucessfull sides together with a side recently out of a major league, and 3 that I know very little about ???

 

[Rick Fortune]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

I like the look of that idea, personally.

 

[theintimidator]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

I saw a finals match between Picola and Shep east 1 or 2 years ago and i can tell you now form an honest opinion that they wouldnt be able too compete with the murray league clubs. We have too remember that the Murray league is classed as a major league and the Picola league as a minor league. i think that the Murray league is fine as it is. I wouldnt want a merger. Then you have too also think about the netballers because some clubs have stronger netballers then footballers etc this is why it would be too hard for the divisions too work

My proposal doesnt put teams like Wunghnu up against Nathalia that would be a farce. We are talking about the top 6-7 PDFL against the bottom 2-3 MFL. As an example: Only a few short years ago Shepp East were competing against Rumba in the CDFL. And their record against each other was not too one sided. Now are you trying to tell me that Shepp east (Forgetting their Horror start to 2008) could not compete with the bottom MFL clubs that Rumba are current thumping???? I think you guys are under-rating PDFL and over rating MFL just a little. Of course the top MFL clubs would have no trouble taking care of most PDFL sides but its not the top MFL clubs that I am talking about.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

My proposal doesnt put teams like Wunghnu up against Nathalia that would be a farce. We are talking about the top 6-7 PDFL against the bottom 2-3 MFL. As an example: Only a few short years ago Shepp East were competing against Rumba in the CDFL. And their record against each other was not too one sided. Now are you trying to tell me that Shepp east (Forgetting their Horror start to 2008) could not compete with the bottom MFL clubs that Rumba are current thumping???? I think you guys are under-rating PDFL and over rating MFL just a little. Of course the top MFL clubs would have no trouble taking care of most PDFL sides but its not the top MFL clubs that I am talking about.

I agree with you in some respect but not totally, yes probably our top 2-3 would compete with the Murray bottom 2-3, the problem I see is that in our top 5, 3 of them, Deni,Dookie and Strathy, when in rebuilding phase 2 years ago struggled to be competitive in the PDFL. ????

 

[theintimidator]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

I agree with you in some respect but not totally, yes probably our top 2-3 would compete with the Murray bottom 2-3, the problem I see is that in our top 5, 3 of them, Deni,Dookie and Strathy, when in rebuilding phase 2 years ago struggled to be competitive in the PDFL. ????

Yeah I understand what you are saying but thats where I beleive that the promotion/relegation system (when done correctly) could help keep the divisions as even as possible. As I have already pointed out there has to be Winners and Losers but I am sure that my proposed system (or somthing similar) would keep score lines more even, in general, than in the current PDFL set up. Surley your club (and I'm not having a dig, we were there last year) would prefer a league were they played clubs of a similar standard twice rather than playing Katandra, Dookie, Waaia etc

 

[Marto121]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

I agree if sides in the Murray league were using solely home grown talent against say a Katandra's home grown talent yes it would be a great contest, the problem is most Murray league sides have a bigger population to draw from , $$$$ , I know $ 60,000 at least it not uncommon to be spent in the Murray League over a long period of time. I don't know of any PDFL club which could afford that sort of dough over a sustained period. Hey if I get a chance today I'll do some population stats of the towns involved both PDFL and MFL, and I'll also try to confirm the VCFL's position.

Agreed, it seems unfair that a town of 7,000 e.g. Cobram can compete against a town with a population of about 150! e.g Picola but there are a lot of good ideas that are being put across, but something does need to be done a 16 team comp is too big and is a lot of time between premierships for some clubs.

 

[cellar dweller]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Agreed, it seems unfair that a town of 7,000 e.g. Cobram can compete against a town with a population of about 150! e.g Picola but there are a lot of good ideas that are being put across, but something does need to be done a 16 team comp is too big and is a lot of time between premierships for some clubs.

You can strive to win it but its not what its all about. Might be why so many kids and people dont play football. Also why clubs throw money around so blindly. Change the culture of football and get people playing the game of football. It is a game you know. People used to go to the football and play the game for fun!
Then again it could all be because their all lazy!!

 

[sparra]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.
Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

Well done Iwantanotherflog! You have finally done it.
Does look a lot like the old Tungamah, Picola and Kyabram Leagues, but then so it should.
As proud a club as they are, I am told Finley are on their knees and may not recover, so with that in mind add them to comp 2, and move Katunga to comp 1.
Mind you, my mob will feel like a punching bag - BDFL, Tungamah, GV Division 2(what a joke), CGFL, KDFL all in the last 20 years.

 

[theintimidator]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

What about a 2 division system including the current 16 PDFL teams using promotion/relegation. Play a 21 game season and play everyone 3 times? Every second season do the promotions/relegations based on the previos 2 seasons Home & Away results....

Comments???

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

What about a 2 division system including the current 16 PDFL teams using promotion/relegation. Play a 21 game season and play everyone 3 times? Every second season do the promotions/relegations based on the previos 2 seasons Home & Away results....

Comments???

Only problem is travel, from our clubs point of view, travelling to Berrigan has been extremely difficult to attract numbers and expect Jeriliderie even harder.

 

[Charles Mac]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

What about a 2 division system including the current 16 PDFL teams using promotion/relegation. Play a 21 game season and play everyone 3 times? Every second season do the promotions/relegations based on the previos 2 seasons Home & Away results....

Comments???

Would the promotion / regulation be only based on the senior sides performance or on the club as a whole??

 

[theintimidator]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Only problem is travel, from our clubs point of view, travelling to Berrigan has been extremely difficult to attract numbers and expect Jeriliderie even harder.

But it wouldnt increase the amount of travel because it uses the current PDFL teams. At least with a more even comp you wouldnt have the situation of travelling to a far away team to be pumped by 25 goals+.

 

[theintimidator]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Would the promotion / regulation be only based on the senior sides performance or on the club as a whole??

I beleive in basing it on the senior sides but I guess using the club championship could also work. Usually when you have a really strong senior side your reserves are strong as well. Netball and Junior Football are a little harder to find the link but success breeds success around a club so I dont think itll be a problem.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

But it wouldnt increase the amount of travel because it uses the current PDFL teams. At least with a more even comp you wouldnt have the situation of travelling to a far away team to be pumped by 25 goals+.

I hear what your saying just think it would be great if we could reduce travel and even the contest up, maybe less travel could assist in gaining more juniors and more regular two's players ???
As even though we haven't got a thirds side this season and the sides we play have the option to play their thirds players against us, some still appear to be struggling with numbers in the two's ???

 

[theintimidator]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

I hear what your saying just think it would be great if we could reduce travel and even the contest up, maybe less travel could assist in gaining more juniors and more regular two's players ???
As even though we haven't got a thirds side this season and the sides we play have the option to play their thirds players against us, some still appear to be struggling with numbers in the two's ???

Yes the travel thing is an issue. But I am of the opinion that its easier to recruit players (or just get your listed players to turn up) when your team looks like having a win or at least being competitve. For example strathy 2nds struggled to fill a side most weeks in 2007 but after a really positive off season and a solid pre-season from the club in general we have found ourselve with 6-8 players on the bench in the 2's each week so far.(no 3rds) I have played in other sports where promotion/relegation works really well to keep things as level as possible and keeps players keen and interested in turning up each week. After all wouldnt you prefer to finish 4th in 2nd division PDFL than 12th in the current set-up???

 

[BULLET!]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Well heres another thought :
Current PDFL sides,
Berrigan, Tungamah, Jeriliderie, Katandra, Denis Rovers, Yarraweah, Waaia, Starthy, Katty, Dookie, Shepp East, Blighty, Wunghnu, Picola, Mathoura, Katunga

Possible additions based on leagues close to our border : Billabong Crows, Rennie in one direction Hay and Wakool in the opposite direction or some of the Bdfl sides the other way, honestly doubt any KDFL or HDFL would show an interest to move leagues ??

As a player who lives in Echuca, Hay is albeit as close as Jerilderie, 1/2 hour further than Berrigan, Dookie and Tungamah.

2 x 10 team comps
Comp 1
Hay, Rovers, Blighty, Wakool, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie, Katty

or

2 x 9 team comps
Comp 1
Rovers, Blighty, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu , Katty

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie,

Should reduce travel, Berrigan I have no conerns about competiting in comp 2, Jerilderie appear to be going ok, fair population, and I have no idea about Rennie, Billabong Crows to be honest so would be guided by others !!
Look may not suit all but whats the thoughts ??


Reduces travel , reduces amount of teams in one league, and based on the last ten years puts the 5 most sucessfull sides together with a side recently out of a major league, and 3 that I know very little about ???

cant really have that, rennie arent very god and struggle every single week as well as bb crows they dont even have a 3rds team and when we play their 1sts in a praccy match they didnt go to well , went down by at least 15 goals i think...

 

[GrassKat]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Don't worry guys. Someone has suggested that we merge the GVFL, MFL, PDFL, KDFL and make a super-comp! 12 + 13 + 16 + 12 = 53 teams! Play in 5 divisions! That is the answer we have all been looking for!!

Some of this weeks big games in the Goulburn-Murray-Edwards (Notice that Shepparton is smack in the middle?) FL.

Mansfield Vs Deni Rams
Mulwala Vs Rochy
Avenel V Jerilderie
Berrigan V Rushworth

Coming to a ground near you.

This league proudly sponsored by BP, Shell, Caltex, Mobil!!!!

PS. I know I have bought up some ordinary stuff on here... but please!

 

[theintimidator]

Re: MFL/PDFL 3 Division System

Don't worry guys. Someone has suggested that we merge the GVFL, MFL, PDFL, KDFL and make a super-comp! 12 + 13 + 16 + 12 = 53 teams! Play in 5 divisions! That is the answer we have all been looking for!!

Some of this weeks big games in the Goulburn-Murray-Edwards (Notice that Shepparton is smack in the middle?) FL.

Mansfield Vs Deni Rams
Mulwala Vs Rochy
Avenel V Jerilderie
Berrigan V Rushworth

Coming to a ground near you.

This league proudly sponsored by BP, Shell, Caltex, Mobil!!!!

PS. I know I have bought up some ordinary stuff on here... but please!

Ha ha Was this actually suggested somwhere or are you just taking the piss? On Bigfooty?