2009

[IluvHarvey]

Who here wants both Dal and Kosi to stay at the Saints next year?
Am I the only one?

 

[SAINTS 4 07 FLAG]

Noppeeee

 

[sauce_head]

Who here wants both Dal and Kosi to stay at the Saints next year?
Am I the only one?

we could not trade for them anyway. kosi will have to accept a lower contract and Dal is the type of good user of the ball we need.

ball back will address some of the issues and when the cats fall out of the best form in the history of the game the race tightens considerably.

 

[olmate]

Who here wants both Dal and Kosi to stay at the Saints next year?
Am I the only one?

Piss Dal off (If he couldn't run himself into the ground last week he never will)

Kosi tries his guts out every week when you are having a go you can only get better

 

[CHBench]

Would much prefer Kosi to stay. Dal atm is a disgrace.

 

[scubaboytellem]

keep them, they will cop it during pre season and harden up

 

[bludrew79]

Who here wants both Dal and Kosi to stay at the Saints next year?
Am I the only one?

Piss off Dal. Trade him and montagna with our first 3 picks to the doggies for Farren Ray. Just the player we need to Roll the cats empire


PS. Re-draft sziller

 

[sackers5]

Who here wants both Dal and Kosi to stay at the Saints next year?
Am I the only one?

You never trade away quality .... which is exactly what kosi and dal are - unfortunately most fans are too short sighted to realise this

 

[subanwallan]

Piss off Dal. Trade him and montagna with our first 3 picks to the doggies for Farren Ray. Just the player we need to Roll the cats empire


PS. Re-draft sziller

wtf ur a carlton supporter go back to ur board u toss

 

[krusden]

You never trade away quality .... which is exactly what kosi and dal are - unfortunately most fans are too short sighted to realise this

I reckon they'll definitely keep Kosi for the height factor cos if Gardi retires the big men stocks will be low and even if he doesn't the experience factor may sway them. If we trade Dal NOW the question would be - what would we get for him? And the answer is - Probably a player of lesser quality as was pointed out above.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

They have had extremely high expectations and maybe they will never realise these, but there are a lot of worse players on our list.
Maybe we need to revise the role we want them to play. Just because we need a gun midfielder does not mean that Dal can step up and do it , just because we want him to.
I wouldn't expect McQualter or Birss to be able to do it either.
Gehrig retires and we need a full forward, just because we need it does not mean that Kosi is able to do it. He is still heaps better to have on the team than Fiora, Gwilt or Charlie Gardner. It was worth a try but we need to try something else.

 

[krusden]

Maybe we need to revise the role we want them to play. .

- Kosi's been moved left, right and centre over his career. No wonder he looks confused alot of the time. I reckon he's the type of BLOKE who needs to be told. "OK - you go there and do this" and he can do it. If Ross does keep him I reckon we will see Kosi do one thing only with maybe a cameo in ruck.
As for Dal - If we get a GUN midfielder this could well take the expectation off him to be a gun and play a more natural game and contribute solidly?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

It's a tough decision.

Let's say Goose comes back. We play him at FF and we get 30 goals. A decent return. If this was to occur, we could trade Kosi.

Let's say Goose doesn't make it back. Milne struggles and only manages 30 goals for the year. We have traded Kosi. All of a sudden we're in a spot of bother down there.

I'd keep Dal. If all this criticism doesn't fire him up in the off season, then he is a massive disappointment.

 

[_Interpol_]

Interpol's St Kilda List Assessment, 2008 heading into 2009

Trying to be somewhat realistic as we aren't going to de-list and trade 10 people, unfortunately!

Allen, Jarryd 4 Games 20yr 8mth Still very young for a KPP. Stay, develop as a FF and hope he gets there.

Armitage, David 16 Games 20yr 3mth Untouchable – but will need to have an IMPACT in '09. Must start finding the ball, needs a big pre-season

Attard, Jayden (R) 25 Games 22yr 6mth Back from injury, will be an asset I the back pocket. Tough nut

Baker, Steven 154 Games 28yr 4mth Would think untouchable, no trade value and still has 2 yrs left if fit. Tough nut, which is what we’ve been missing

Ball, Luke 122 Games 24yr 3mth Untouchable

Birss, Shane 71 Games 25yr 6mth Can not get a game, but has value, depth player

Blake, Jason 136 Games 27yr 6mth Puts his best in every week. Handy type isn't going anywhere

Chivers, Glenn (R) 0 Games 19yr 5mth Young player, will need to get some games in '09

Clarke, Raphael 41 Games 22yr 11mth Starting to show positive signs, will stay

Clarke, Xavier 105 Games 24yr 11mth DANGER: Injury prone and inconsistent. Trade bait

Connors, Eljay 0 Games 18yr 8mth Injured through 2008, needs to push for games in '09

Dal Santo, Nick 144 Games 24yr 7mth DANGER: Trade bait. Does NOT work hard enough

Dempster, Sean 73 Games 24yr 8mth Will sit out 2009, untouchable regardless

Eddy, Robert (R) 13 Games 20yr 8mth Will stay, but needs to work on marking and impact in games.

Ferguson, Matthew 12 Games 23yr 11mth DANGER: Can't get consistent games, but has time. Possible bait

Fiora, Aaron 140 Games 27yr 5mth MASSIVE DANGER. MUST Be de-listed

Fisher, Leigh 55 Games 24yr 5mth DANGER: Still reasonably young, and has seen his position taken by Dempster. Might get a crack in 09 with no Sean/Mini

Fisher, Sam 96 Games 26yr 2mth Untouchable

Gardiner, Charlie 63 Games 25yr 6mth MASSIVE DANGER. MUST Be de-listed

Gardiner, Michael S. 138 Games 29yr 2mth Retirement potential. Maybe 1 year left in him, but doubtful

Geary, Jarryn 10 Games 20yr 2mth Young player with some good signs. Fell away late, will come good.

Gehrig, Fraser 260 Games 32yr 6mth Retired

Gilbert, Sam 39 Games 22yr 1mth Should stay. Very hard at it, young and must work on kicking

Goddard, Brendon 113 Games 23yr 4mth Untouchable

Gram, Jason 77 Games 24yr 4mth Untouchable

Gwilt, James 26 Games 22yr 1mth DANGER: goes up and down, needs to find solid position. Chance to stay, but will need to work on his thinking

Haretuku, Khan (R) 0 Games 18yr 11mth Keep rookie listed for another season, must keep improving though

Harvey, Robert (V) 383 AWESOME Games 37yr 1mth Retired

Hayes, Lenny 192 Games 28yr 8mth Untouchable

Howard, Brad 2 Games 20yr 9mth Re-signed. MUST get games in '09. Pacey mid

Hudghton, Max (V) 227 Games 32yr May retire, but hopefully go on 1 more year and groom Goose

Jones, Clinton 26 Games 24yr 7mth Staying put. Works very very hard, just needs to improve kicking. Tough as nails

King, Steven 215 Games 29yr 10mth Prob stick around for another year while McEvoy develops

Koschitzke, Justin 119 Games 26yr DANGER: No doubting his ability, or effort, but it just never seems to go right. Trade bait

Maguire, Matthew 99 Games 24yr 3mth Untouchable

McEvoy, Ben 1 Game 19yr 2mth Untouchable

McQualter, Andrew (R) 32 Games 22yr 3mth Back on the rookie list. Given another chance, and after a few decent games, fell away. Tags himself out of the game

Miles, Luke (R) 0 Games 21yr 10mth Yough rookie. Keep developing

Milne, Stephen 165 Games 28yr 6mth Untouchable

Montagna, Leigh 98 Games 24yr 10mth Staying put. Not a trade option, has some bad games, but finds the ball, is fast and penetrating kick.

Riewoldt, Nick 158 Games 25yr 11mth Untouchable

Rix, Michael 29 Games 27yr 8mth De-list

Schneider, Adam 117 Games 24yr 4mth Untouchable

Steven, Jack 0 Games 18yr 5mth Young kid who has been improving, Needs to get 8-10 games in '09

Van Rheenen, Luke (R) 0 Games 20yr 6mth De-list or PLAY IN 2009. If he stays, he needs to be given games.

Retired: 2

De-list definitely: 3

Danger of being traded/de-listed: 6

5 on the way out definitely (the minimum is 3) – Draft picks 13, 30, 46, 62, 78, 94 (Six in total)

2 promotions from the Rookie list, mean we only have 3 open spots on the list – Use picks 13, 30, 46 – rest can be used if we de-list more…

Rookie List 2009:
Haretuku
McQualter
Van Reenhan
Miles
Chivers
Rookie Draft 1
Rookie Draft 2

Promoted:
Attard
Eddy

2009 Starting Team (Assuming no trades)

FB. Baker; Hughton; Gilbert

HB R Clarke; Maguire; Gram

C Goddard; Hayes; S Fisher

HF Allen; Riewoldt; Montagna

FF Milne; Koschitzke; Schneider

R King, Ball, Armitage

I McEvoy, Jones, Steven; Blake

The rest: Eddy; Howard; Geary; Dal Santo; X; Connors; Attard; Gwilt; M Gardiner; Birss…

Positions are not definite… just what I could fit and where. There seems to be some depth there, hopefully anyways…Attard, Baker and Goose add some much-needed mongrel into that team. IF kosi is not there, Allen needs to step right up!

 

[beejay]

yeh i think kozi was really getting himself ready for that full forward possie and then gehrig came back and probably put him off and he thought oh better get back into the ruck frame of mind. i think we just need to say to him full forward will be your position. god i hope mcevoy comes along sooner rather then later i seem him very similar to kozi that can play ruck and forward and they are rare to find. No point trading kozi or dal because we arent going to get a great deal and kozi is way too important for our structure.

 

[IluvHarvey]

You never trade away quality .... which is exactly what kosi and dal are - unfortunately most fans are too short sighted to realise this

Couldn't have put it better myself

 

[Signd Sealed Saint]

Tall mobile goal kicking ruckmen don't grow on trees.
Classy ball carriers don't grow on trees either.
I've made my case too many times for these two and i cbf doing it again. Watch for them next year, they'll be out all guns blazing after this season. They're more dirty on themselves than anyone else.

 

[sammm]

- Kosi's been moved left, right and centre over his career. No wonder he looks confused alot of the time. QUOTE]

what a 25 year old cannot handle being moved to other positions?

what a load of crap

he is either injured. or does not want to play for stkilda.

he doesn't try

 

[SaintsSeptember]

- Kosi's been moved left, right and centre over his career. No wonder he looks confused alot of the time. QUOTE]

what a 25 year old cannot handle being moved to other positions?

what a load of crap

he is either injured. or does not want to play for stkilda.

he doesn't try

Great you have invented a generic footballer. Sorry he is Kosi he is not some computer game thing with standard attributes.
He has his own strengths and weaknesses like most humans.
Just because he is tall and 25 does not mean he can be an EXPERT at any position, and at AFL level we are talking experts.

By your logic we could have moved Milne to the midfield when he was 25, or Hudgeton could have been a ruckman when he was 25.

 

[Signd Sealed Saint]

Sammm that's the dumbest thing i've heard in a while. I'm sorry but Luke Ball is 25 and if you get him to be the club's first proper ruckmen since Ditterich then you a bloody genius.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Here is my starting team for 2009.

B Gram Hudghton Gilbert
HB Blake Maguire Attard
C Dalsanto Hayes Montagna
HF Riewoldt S Fisher Schnieder
F Milne Gwilt X Clarke?

Following King, Baker, Ball
Bench Jones, Armitage, Kosi, R Clarke

Wanting to put in the team but I can't find a spot. - See who is underperforming.
X , Geary, Eddy, Steven
Try at some stage - McEvoy, Allen, Howard, Miles

Depth only - McQualter, Birss, Fiora , C Gardner ( if they are still at the club).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Hell I forgot BJ , I think I'll have to drop DalSanto.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

Here is my starting team for 2009.

B Gram Hudghton Gilbert
HB Blake Maguire Attard
C Dalsanto Hayes Montagna
HF Riewoldt S Fisher Schnieder
F Milne Gwilt X Clarke?

Following King, Baker, Ball
Bench Jones, Armitage, Kosi, R Clarke

Wanting to put in the team but I can't find a spot. - See who is underperforming.
X , Geary, Eddy, Steven
Try at some stage - McEvoy, Allen, Howard, Miles

Depth only - McQualter, Birss, Fiora , C Gardner ( if they are still at the club).

Wouldn't stick Grammy in a back pocket brother.

 

[Qsaint]

It's a tough decision.

Let's say Goose comes back. We play him at FF and we get 30 goals. A decent return. If this was to occur, we could trade Kosi.

Let's say Goose doesn't make it back. Milne struggles and only manages 30 goals for the year. We have traded Kosi. All of a sudden we're in a spot of bother down there.

I'd keep Dal. If all this criticism doesn't fire him up in the off season, then he is a massive disappointment.

Agreed Goose will be a FF

Kosi should be up for trade. Our largest problem is that Harvey was still one of our best midfielders, we need more quality to rotate through there

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Wouldn't stick Grammy in a back pocket brother.

Your right! not an ideal spot for Blake either. Good spot for Miles if he can get up. Pity Dempster will be out for so long.

Its strange to be able to chuck a team together and not be able to get all the players you want into it, and not to have to play McQualter or Birss. ( At least it settles that argument ).