Opinion 2013 Best 22

[Hard_to_Beat]

Not sure about that. Last few years we have matched really well against NM. Last match at Etihad you smacked us but we did have the staggers at that stage of the year. Will be interesting to see where match ups go. Only real 3rd tall defender option we have currently is Jack Frost who is a rookie so not even eligible for selection unless elevated next week.

Maxwell could possibly negate Tarrant, but the pies defence prefers to have him play the support role in the corridor and North will obviously seek to drag him away by running his direct opponent as a decoy. If he drops off the decoy, then we play through that player. If he goes to Petrie or Hansen, then I think we might try to isolate him in the goal square. It's the most crucial tactical match up that I can see for this match.

Of course, this will all be irrelevant if Pendles, Swan and Beams start collecting possessions at will.

 

[Bianconerri]

All Fit

Toovey Keefe Brown

Shaw Reid Seedsman

Thomas Beams Sidebottom

Ball Lynch Fasolo

Krakouer Cloke Macaffer

Jolly Pendlebury Swan

Int: Goldsack Young O`Brien Sub Kennedy

Vs North Russell for inj Keefe
Blair for Thomas
Johnson for Ball
Elliott for fasolo
J Thomas for Krakouer

 

[Lockyer24]

My round 1 team

B Toovey, Brown, O'Brien
Hb Shaw, Reid, Maxwell
C Young, Pendlebury, Seedsman
Hf Elliott, Cloke, Sidebottom
F Goldsack, Lynch, Krakouer
Foll Jolly, Swan, Beams
Int Blair, Johnson, Russell, Kennedy (s)

Ball, Thomas, Fasolo Q marks on fitness thus not picked

Sinclair for Krakouer if he's not right

Hard to make a case for others

 

[ksardog]

My side on the proviso that frost gets elevated by round 1.( should be )
Didak, fasolo, thomas, ball not yet available

B: Toovey Brown Frost

HB: Maxwell Reid Shaw

C: Seedsman Swan Sidebottom

Hf: Goldsack Cloke Elliott

F: Krakour Lynch Mccaffer

R: Jolly Pendlebury Beams

Int: Russell Blair Kennedy

Sub: Obrien

 

[loki04]

Personally would like to see Seedsman play as the sweeper in Maxwells spot, l also reckon We may get away with having Brown, Frost and Reid All 3 tall backs Similar to Geelong with Scarlett, Taylorand lonergan. Reid to playas the loose man/rebounder, FB Brown, CHB Frost has good speed endurance and agility.

Sadly I don't think we will see it until maxwek retires.

 

[hellfire]

At this stage, if I had a choice of the entire list, fully fit....

B: Russell, Brown, Toovey
HB: Shaw, Reid, Maxwell
C: Seedsman, Pendlebury, Thomas
HF: Fasolo, Lynch, Sidebottom
F: Blair, Cloke, Krakouer

Foll: Jolly, Swan, Beams
Int: Ball, Didak, Macaffer, O'Brien

EMG: Elliott, Young, Goldsack
Depth: Johnson, Keeffe, Witts, Sinclair, Clarke, Mooney, Frost, Paine, J.Thomas, Dwyer, Martin + new draftees etc

That's a seriously deep list. But if we are to win the premiership this year, we really want to see Seedsman, Elliott and one of Broomhead/Kennedy push out Johnson, Didak and Krakouer through form, not injury... as well as break out years from Fasolo and Sidebottom (kind of like his early 2012 form for the whole year).

 

[Knightmare]

Personally would like to see Seedsman play as the sweeper in Maxwells spot, l also reckon We may get away with having Brown, Frost and Reid All 3 tall backs Similar to Geelong with Scarlett, Taylorand lonergan. Reid to playas the loose man/rebounder, FB Brown, CHB Frost has good speed endurance and agility.

Sadly I don't think we will see it until maxwek retires.

There is a curious way to do it, and it depends on how fixed the coaching staff are on keeping things as is.

But a move of Maxwell forward could allow for the three key defenders (Reid/Brown/Keeffe or Frost) if we so chose. As a forward Maxwell may even be a fraction better than he is down back. His tackling and marking game as a forward is suitable and can fit alongside Cloke/Lynch as a 3rd tall of sorts. You'd also want your share of tackling and crumbing in there but Macaffer/Goldsack aren't playing all that well it may be an option worth considering.

Maxwell 1v1 down back gets exposed so often, then Reid is better when he gets in that position more often to provide rebound so it may well benefit both ends if the move was made.

It's something where if Keeffe comes back mid season and puts a strong case forward for senior selection late season, perhaps we look into something along these lines, or similarly if Frost breaks out and dominates at VFL level. Absolutely nothing wrong with three genuine talls down back with the way Geelong have done it and even West Coast to a lesser extent with Will Schofield KPP size though able to play smaller.

 

[ksardog]

There is a curious way to do it, and it depends on how fixed the coaching staff are on keeping things as is.

But a move of Maxwell forward could allow for the three key defenders (Reid/Brown/Keeffe or Frost) if we so chose. As a forward Maxwell may even be a fraction better than he is down back. His tackling and marking game as a forward is suitable and can fit alongside Cloke/Lynch as a 3rd tall of sorts. You'd also want your share of tackling and crumbing in there but Macaffer/Goldsack aren't playing all that well it may be an option worth considering.

Maxwell 1v1 down back gets exposed so often, then Reid is better when he gets in that position more often to provide rebound so it may well benefit both ends if the move was made.

It's something where if Keeffe comes back mid season and puts a strong case forward for senior selection late season, perhaps we look into something along these lines, or similarly if Frost breaks out and dominates at VFL level. Absolutely nothing wrong with three genuine talls down back with the way Geelong have done it and even West Coast to a lesser extent with Will Schofield KPP size though able to play smaller.

With Frosts athletic ability i see him like as a player like Taz was for us. He can play on the big forward or a mid size player. It gives us more flexibilty down back and also gives us the option of throwing reid into attack if the need ever arises.
Frost would be in my round 1 side.

 

[Temploar]

I've changed my opinion. No more Russell, Macaffer Sinclair.

B: Toovey, Brown, Maxwell
HB: Shaw, Reid, O'Brien
C: Young, Ball, Thomas
HF: Didak, Cloke, Beams
F: Krakouer, Lynch, Goldsack
Foll: Jolly, Pendlebury, Swan
Int: Elliott, Blair, Fasolo, (Dwyer)

Emg: Johnson, Seedsman, Sinclair

 

[Number 10]

I've changed my opinion. No more Russell, Macaffer Sinclair.

B: Toovey, Brown, Maxwell
HB: Shaw, Reid, O'Brien
C: Young, Ball, Thomas
HF: Didak, Cloke, Beams
F: Krakouer, Lynch, Goldsack
Foll: Jolly, Pendlebury, Swan
Int: Elliott, Blair, Fasolo, (Dwyer)

Emg: Johnson, Seedsman, Sinclair

No way. Macaffer or sinclair have to play. Didak and krakouer have no defensive ability. Worst case-goldsack gets the boot for one of them.

 

[Knightmare]

For team balance I like:
B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Jack Frost
HB: Heath Shaw Ben Reid Nick Maxwell
CEN: Harry O'Brien Scott Pendlebury Paul Seedsman
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Ben Kennedy
F: Jackson Paine Quinten Lynch Jamie Elliott
FOLL: Darren Jolly Dayne Beams Dane Swan
BENCH: Steele Sidebottom Dale Thomas Luke Ball
SUB: Jarryd Blair
EMG: Sam Dwyer Kyle Martin Caolan Mooney

*Notes:
- It will come accross as a very youth focusd squad but I'd like to see as in 2010 a real transition into a new flavoured and younger looking squad, squeezing out the old and making room for those demonstrating strong improvement. Reason being I feel this squad more likely come finals time if enough games are pumped into them will give us the best winning chances.
Frost: I like the way the young fella is developing and in my view that improvement should be rewarded with more senior action. He has athleticism so I wouldn't be afraid to play him on smalls as required.
Seedsman: I've been sold on him through the NAB. Poor today v Carlton but I want to see more.
Kennedy: The guy is as immediate anything. He has breakaway pace, wins his own ball and has a penetrating kick on him so he offers our team a unique edge currently not in there.
Paine: With Macaffer's form to this point underwhelming I'd like to see more of Paine. Cloke enjoys playing alongside more marking targets and Paine is another presence who can take a grab without making us too tall with his tackling game also very reasonable.
Elliott: Did tonight's efforts v Carlton convince anyone? He's one of our better rounded forwards with his game reasonably complete for someone so young. Will only get better and a big asset to this team.
- Don't read anything into the bench/sub. I more than anything wanted to illustrate where I'd position the rest of the squad so show how they can all fit into the one team.
*It cuts me not to be able to fit any of Dwyer/Martin/Mooney into my best 22. I have all three incredibly close to my best 22, the the rookie trio my first ins when injury strikes.

-- Depth still very much in the mix. All deserve to play games this year, just whether it be as a regulars is more the query with others I like a fraction more based on what I've seen to this point --
Others who will play: Tyson Goldsack Brent Macaffer Marty Clarke Lachie Keeffe Josh Thomas Ben Sinclair Jordan Russell Clinton Young Ben Hudson Ben Johnson Andrew Krakouer Alan Didak Marley Williams

 

[Collingwoodity]

For team balance I like:
B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Jack Frost
HB: Heath Shaw Ben Reid Nick Maxwell
CEN: Harry O'Brien Scott Pendlebury Paul Seedsman
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Ben Kennedy
F: Jackson Paine Quinten Lynch Jamie Elliott
FOLL: Darren Jolly Dayne Beams Dane Swan
BENCH: Steele Sidebottom Dale Thomas Luke Ball
SUB: Jarryd Blair
EMG: Sam Dwyer Kyle Martin Caolan Mooney

*Notes:
- It will come accross as a very youth focusd squad but I'd like to see as in 2010 a real transition into a new flavoured and younger looking squad, squeezing out the old and making room for those demonstrating strong improvement. Reason being I feel this squad more likely come finals time if enough games are pumped into them will give us the best winning chances.
Frost: I like the way the young fella is developing and in my view that improvement should be rewarded with more senior action. He has athleticism so I wouldn't be afraid to play him on smalls as required.
Seedsman: I've been sold on him through the NAB. Poor today v Carlton but I want to see more.
Kennedy: The guy is as immediate anything. He has breakaway pace, wins his own ball and has a penetrating kick on him so he offers our team a unique edge currently not in there.
Paine: With Macaffer's form to this point underwhelming I'd like to see more of Paine. Cloke enjoys playing alongside more marking targets and Paine is another presence who can take a grab without making us too tall with his tackling game also very reasonable.
Elliott: Did tonight's efforts v Carlton convince anyone? He's one of our better rounded forwards with his game reasonably complete for someone so young. Will only get better and a big asset to this team.
- Don't read anything into the bench/sub. I more than anything wanted to illustrate where I'd position the rest of the squad so show how they can all fit into the one team.
*It cuts me not to be able to fit any of Dwyer/Martin/Mooney into my best 22. I have all three incredibly close to my best 22, the the rookie trio my first ins when injury strikes.

-- Depth still very much in the mix. All deserve to play games this year, just whether it be as a regulars is more the query with others I like a fraction more based on what I've seen to this point --
Others who will play: Tyson Goldsack Brent Macaffer Marty Clarke Lachie Keeffe Josh Thomas Ben Sinclair Jordan Russell Clinton Young Ben Hudson Ben Johnson Andrew Krakouer Alan Didak Marley Williams

Agreed except Goldsack is a swingman that can be useful in both attack and defence.

must be in the team.

 

[glasseye]

a lot harder than it first looks

fully fit

B: Toovey Brown Maxwell
HB: Shaw Reid Russell
C: Thomas Pendlebury Dwyer
HF: Beams Lynch Sidebottom
F: Blair Cloke Elliot
R: Jolly Swan Ball
I: Goldsack, Macaffer, obrien
sub - Young

when Keefe was having his purple patch I would have said he was over Brown, Fas might go over Caff.
its a killer to see who is left out....
The people I wouldn't want to see injured would be Cloke and perhaps Shaw

 

[dubber]

For team balance I like:
B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Jack Frost
HB: Heath Shaw Ben Reid Nick Maxwell
CEN: Harry O'Brien Scott Pendlebury Paul Seedsman
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Ben Kennedy
F: Jackson Paine Quinten Lynch Jamie Elliott
FOLL: Darren Jolly Dayne Beams Dane Swan
BENCH: Steele Sidebottom Dale Thomas Luke Ball
SUB: Jarryd Blair
EMG: Sam Dwyer Kyle Martin Caolan Mooney

*Notes:
- It will come accross as a very youth focusd squad but I'd like to see as in 2010 a real transition into a new flavoured and younger looking squad, squeezing out the old and making room for those demonstrating strong improvement. Reason being I feel this squad more likely come finals time if enough games are pumped into them will give us the best winning chances.
Frost: I like the way the young fella is developing and in my view that improvement should be rewarded with more senior action. He has athleticism so I wouldn't be afraid to play him on smalls as required.
Seedsman: I've been sold on him through the NAB. Poor today v Carlton but I want to see more.
Kennedy: The guy is as immediate anything. He has breakaway pace, wins his own ball and has a penetrating kick on him so he offers our team a unique edge currently not in there.
Paine: With Macaffer's form to this point underwhelming I'd like to see more of Paine. Cloke enjoys playing alongside more marking targets and Paine is another presence who can take a grab without making us too tall with his tackling game also very reasonable.
Elliott: Did tonight's efforts v Carlton convince anyone? He's one of our better rounded forwards with his game reasonably complete for someone so young. Will only get better and a big asset to this team.
- Don't read anything into the bench/sub. I more than anything wanted to illustrate where I'd position the rest of the squad so show how they can all fit into the one team.
*It cuts me not to be able to fit any of Dwyer/Martin/Mooney into my best 22. I have all three incredibly close to my best 22, the the rookie trio my first ins when injury strikes.

-- Depth still very much in the mix. All deserve to play games this year, just whether it be as a regulars is more the query with others I like a fraction more based on what I've seen to this point --
Others who will play: Tyson Goldsack Brent Macaffer Marty Clarke Lachie Keeffe Josh Thomas Ben Sinclair Jordan Russell Clinton Young Ben Hudson Ben Johnson Andrew Krakouer Alan Didak Marley Williams

KM, do you remember against North when Reid was knocked out, Goldsack was sent back in defence? You cannot remove versatility plus a guy who should kick 20-25 goals, & tackles to boot. Paine is not the same player as Goldy, yet.

 

[blaze036]

Very hard to do in 2013.

B: Toovey Brown Maxwell
HB: Shaw Reid O'Brien
C: Thomas Ball Beams
HF: Sidebottom Lynch Goldsack
F: Fasolo Cloke Elliot
R: Jolly Pendlebury Swan
Int: Young Blair Dywer
Sub: Krakour

Depth:
B: Russell Frost Keeffe Johnson Seedsmen

C: J.Thomas Martin Clarke Hudson

F: Didak Mooney Paine Sinclair Macaffer

That's an amazing list, what really stands out is incredible AFL quality depth on every line.

They say you need 30 AFL level players to win a premiership, we have 36 this year

 

[biggiemediums]

Back: Toovey--Brown--Maxwell
Half-Back: Shaw--Reid-- Russell
Mid: Thomas--Ball--O'Brien
Half-Fwd: Sidebum--Lynch--Goldsack
Fwd: Elliot--Cloke--Fasolo

Ruck: Jolly--Swan--Emblebry

Int: Beams, Dwyer, Blair.

Sub: Depends on the needs of the game.

The side I've chosen is just what I feel would be a well balanced side.

Beams, Dwyer and Blair can all play HF and Midfield and provide respite for Swan, Pendles, Sidey etc. We do well with a constantly rotating midfield. Makes it hard for taggers and opposition head to head mids alike.

A lot of choices for Sub depending on the type of game. If it's against a more defensive side a small crumbing forward can bring energy and life late into a game. If it's against an all out attacking side like richmond, you could bring on someone like Paine to free up Goldsack to go back and help defenders.

 

[Knightmare]

Agreed except Goldsack is a swingman that can be useful in both attack and defence.

must be in the team.

Goldsack is tough to leave out, I agree and he is the next on my list after those emergencies with his form very reasonable with last years form also excellent. With the quantity of injuries we have and likely will remain to have he'd probably despite being my 26th man be in the squad for much of if not all the season anyway.

KM, do you remember against North when Reid was knocked out, Goldsack was sent back in defence? You cannot remove versatility plus a guy who should kick 20-25 goals, & tackles to boot. Paine is not the same player as Goldy, yet.

Goldsack v Paine is an interesting one.

Goldsack certainly is ahead on what he has done to this point. He's quicker and a freak tackler with his kick exceptionally penetrating. But I don't think he is clearly ahead with Paine possibly even at the same level this year, albeit as different types.

Paine I like a touch more from a team chemistry standpoint because he's more of a genuine marking presence and more of a goal kicking threat - which is only going to help Cloke and Lynch with they way they get doubled. With the way Paine is coming along I'm not so sure I'd go with Goldsack first because Paine is coming along fast and looking like a very much ready to go key forward who could add something that our team really missing being that genuine 3rd marking key forward which I believe with our high engine key forwards and tackling smalls is absolutely something we can win with.

In saying this though I recognise Goldsack's form has been solid up to this point and he was exceptional last year so it's not at all a clear call with Goldsack very much in that fully fit best 22 conversiation.

 

[loki04]

Paine is a genuine goal kicking KPF, Goldsack is more a 3rd tall defensive forward who can pinch a goal here and there.

 

[lozza63]

After 2 games - i have a sense that we are looking at a transition era (agree with KM here) - the likes of Jolly, Dids, Johnno, Krak are seemingly ebbing and we welcome the new boys Fasolo, Dwyer, Elliott, Seedsman, Sinclair and Grundy/Witts.

For my Best 22

Maxwell Brown Shaw
Toovey Reid Seedsman
OBrien Ball Sidebottom
D.Thomas Lynch Beams
Blair Cloke Elliott

Jolly Pendlebury Swan
I/C Goldsack Dwyer Fasolo sub Macaffer

Depth - Young, Russell, Johnson, Didak, Hudson, Sinclair, Keeffe, Clarke, Krakouer, Kennedy, J.Thomas, Frost, Paine, Martin, Mooney, Ramsay, Witts and Grundy (soon i hope). 40 pretty decent types on this list - nice!

We seem very healthy in most positions except ruck/KPF - with every game missed the veterans are just that little more "vulnerable" - especially while these youngsters are putting in such significant performances. Jolly is the only one who doesnt have a current ready made replacement which concerns me greatly.

 

[hellfire]

B: Russell Brown Toovey
HB: Maxwell Reid Shaw
C: Thomas Pendlebury Beams
HF: Blair Lynch Sidebottom
F: Goldsack Cloke Elliott
Foll: Jolly Swan Ball
Int: O'Brien Dwyer Fasolo Didak

I really think Dids is still best 22 if he can shake off these injuries. Dwyer simply has to be there at the moment.

 

[legendstatus]

For team balance I like:
B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Jack Frost
HB: Heath Shaw Ben Reid Nick Maxwell
CEN: Harry O'Brien Scott Pendlebury Paul Seedsman
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Ben Kennedy
F: Jackson Paine Quinten Lynch Jamie Elliott
FOLL: Darren Jolly Dayne Beams Dane Swan
BENCH: Steele Sidebottom Dale Thomas Luke Ball
SUB: Jarryd Blair
EMG: Sam Dwyer Kyle Martin Caolan Mooney

*Notes:
- It will come accross as a very youth focusd squad but I'd like to see as in 2010 a real transition into a new flavoured and younger looking squad, squeezing out the old and making room for those demonstrating strong improvement. Reason being I feel this squad more likely come finals time if enough games are pumped into them will give us the best winning chances.
Frost: I like the way the young fella is developing and in my view that improvement should be rewarded with more senior action. He has athleticism so I wouldn't be afraid to play him on smalls as required.
Seedsman: I've been sold on him through the NAB. Poor today v Carlton but I want to see more.
Kennedy: The guy is as immediate anything. He has breakaway pace, wins his own ball and has a penetrating kick on him so he offers our team a unique edge currently not in there.
Paine: With Macaffer's form to this point underwhelming I'd like to see more of Paine. Cloke enjoys playing alongside more marking targets and Paine is another presence who can take a grab without making us too tall with his tackling game also very reasonable.
Elliott: Did tonight's efforts v Carlton convince anyone? He's one of our better rounded forwards with his game reasonably complete for someone so young. Will only get better and a big asset to this team.
- Don't read anything into the bench/sub. I more than anything wanted to illustrate where I'd position the rest of the squad so show how they can all fit into the one team.
*It cuts me not to be able to fit any of Dwyer/Martin/Mooney into my best 22. I have all three incredibly close to my best 22, the the rookie trio my first ins when injury strikes.

-- Depth still very much in the mix. All deserve to play games this year, just whether it be as a regulars is more the query with others I like a fraction more based on what I've seen to this point --
Others who will play: Tyson Goldsack Brent Macaffer Marty Clarke Lachie Keeffe Josh Thomas Ben Sinclair Jordan Russell Clinton Young Ben Hudson Ben Johnson Andrew Krakouer Alan Didak Marley Williams

KM - You lost what credibility you had with this team.. !!!!!!

This is mine......

B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Jack Frost
HB: Heath Shaw Ben Reid Nick Maxwell
CEN: Harry O'Brien Scott Pendlebury Dale Thomas
HF: Alan Didak Travis Cloke Tyson Goldsack
F: Jamie Elliott Quinten Lynch Jarryd Blair
FOLL: Darren Jolly Dayne Beams Dane Swan
BENCH: Steele Sidebottom Luke Ball Jordan Russell
SUB: Sam Dwyer
EMG: Clinton Young Kyle Martin Andrew Krakouer Josh Thomas

 

[doppleganger]

I dont really know whether I could pick a 'best 22' anymore.

I think the following 15 players are locks in our best side

Backs: Toovey, N. Brown, H. Shaw, Reid, Maxwell
Mids: Harry O, Pendlebury, D. Thomas, Beams, Swan, Blair and Sidey
Forwards: Cloke, Lynch
Ruck: Darren Jolly

Hopefully Ball is back to his best and he becomes the 16th 'lock'.

After that it basically will be a who grasps their chance, and is in form at the right time I reckon...ie be ridiculous to not pick Dwyer or Elliot right now, but in a month and there form dips...well Fasolo and Didak may slot in after ripping it up @ VFL level.

Krak or Young could storm home and make a big difference

Dwyer is flav of the month now, K.Martin may be just as good!

Keeffe, who knows what we do with him if he gets back fit and healthy.

Great situation to be in.

 

[Knightmare]

KM - You lost what credibility you had with this team.. !!!!!!

This is mine......

B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Jack Frost
HB: Heath Shaw Ben Reid Nick Maxwell
CEN: Harry O'Brien Scott Pendlebury Dale Thomas
HF: Alan Didak Travis Cloke Tyson Goldsack
F: Jamie Elliott Quinten Lynch Jarryd Blair
FOLL: Darren Jolly Dayne Beams Dane Swan
BENCH: Steele Sidebottom Luke Ball Jordan Russell
SUB: Sam Dwyer
EMG: Clinton Young Kyle Martin Andrew Krakouer Josh Thomas

Not a fan of untried youth?

I'd say the same with Didak with his form nowhere close.



In saying this I largely see the situation the same as doppleganger. There is that top group of about 15 and then a very wide range of guys who could all claim that a position in the best side should be theirs. Incredibly open to interpretation and I wouldn't be ragging on anyone with the way our list goes probably 35 deep now.