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With the addition of extra players classified as RUC/FWD this upcoming dream team season a swingman dual position system is finally a viable option

The thought here is obviously that you are more likely to have bench coverage in the forward line rather than the ruck division due to the far larger amount of players to choose from avalible as FWD's

When one of your premium rucks goes down with no coverage from your under selected rookies on the RUC bench swing your RUC/FWD in from the forward line and replace HIM with your FWD bench player

There are two ways to play this
The 2-1:
Where you select a premium RUC/FWD in the RUC and another in the FWD and a rookie RUC/FWD on the bench in the RUC division
and
The 1-1:
Where you select a premium RUC/FWD in the FWD and a rookie RUC/FWD on the bench in the RUC division


The 2-1 only really adds more flexibility should one of your RUC/FWD premo's be injured or under performing, the 1-1 is all that is needed to make the swing work but due to the fact that the R/F are some of the best available premiums in the RUC division i will be going with a 2-1 approach



NOW THE CHOICE

Premium RUC/FWD
Dean Cox ($511,900)
Nic Nat (442,500)
Jarryd Roughhead (471,800)
Paddy Ryder (464,600)
Stefan Martin (356,100)
Shaun Hampson (333,900)

Rookie RUC/FWD
Tom Campbell (239,800)
Scott Lycett (162,000)
Liam McBean ($96,200)
Joel Hamling ($101,600)
Adam Pattison ($101,600)
Sam Rowe ($101,600)
Jordan Stanley ($101,600)

Who do you take for your RUC/FWD swingman set up
Can anyone comment on the likely job security of the rookies?
 

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IMO Rowe may not be a regular in the Carlton line-up, but they rate him reasonably highly and is a good chance to get 5-10 games; although he has stiff competition with other talls I rate him higher than other cheap FWD/RUC options such as McBean (too raw and skinny), Lycett (may get early games with NicNat out but will be omitted after) and the rest.
 
Waste of time and not very beneficial IMO.

Means you are going to have 3 premium rucks so therefore even if you were to somehow nail all 3 of the top scoring rucks, you still want that 3rd ruck to be scoring just as well as the top scoring forwards are going to be scoring. Not gonna happen! Especially given we will only be selecting 6 forwards next year.

Could look at something like Cox up forward with Luey (midpricer) and another premo in the rucks. Maybe. But even still reckon there would be better midprice options to select up forward, or even just another forward premo and Cox/Luey in the rucks would gain more points/value.

If the whole '18 best scorers' rumour during the bye round is true, really can't see the dp link being much value as just a 'cover' option either. Would have to be pretty desperate for cover.

Not for me at this stage. :)
 
cheesedogg said:
Waste of time and not very beneficial IMO.

Means you are going to have 3 premium rucks so therefore even if you were to somehow nail all 3 of the top scoring rucks, you still want that 3rd ruck to be scoring just as well as the top scoring forwards are going to be scoring. Not gonna happen! Especially given we will only be selecting 6 forwards next year.

Could look at something like Cox up forward with Luey (midpricer) and another premo in the rucks. Maybe. But even still reckon there would be better midprice options to select up forward, or even just another forward premo and Cox/Luey in the rucks would gain more points/value.

If the whole '18 best scorers' rumour during the bye round is true, really can't see the dp link being much value as just a 'cover' option either. Would have to be pretty desperate for cover.

Not for me at this stage. :)
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Cox is better and more reliable than most of the forwards
With no Dangers, Fyfe, Beams etc

Cox is better than almost all the forwards this year


Leuy
Roughy

Cox

Are my three
Im not sold on the idea yet bit its an option
 
FlowersByIrene said:
Cox is better and more reliable than most of the forwards
With no Dangers, Fyfe, Beams etc

Cox is better than almost all the forwards this year


Leuy
Roughy

Cox

Are my three
Im not sold on the idea yet bit its an option
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Oh yeah don't get me wrong. No doubt on Cox, is almost a certain starter for mine. It's essentially your 3rd ruckman's scoring you really have to consider.

Would have to be confident that Luey and Roughead would both be outscoring guys like Bartel, Thomas, Rockliff, Robinson, SJ, Pav, Broughton ;) :p , etc across the whole season.

Like I said could be an option to start the season, Cox forward with Luey as a midprice option (obviously won't have a forward line like that ^ at round 1) but holding the 3 rucks too long ie: Until the bye rounds, I just don't think is worth it.

Also there are going to be plenty of forward midpricers to consider. That's why at this stage I'm going to look at ignoring the ruck/forward link for now and just start Cox and Luey as my 2 rucks.
 
cheesedogg said:
Oh yeah don't get me wrong. No doubt on Cox, is almost a certain starter for mine. It's essentially your 3rd ruckman's scoring you really have to consider.

Would have to be confident that Luey and Roughead would both be outscoring guys like Bartel, Thomas, Rockliff, Robinson, SJ, Pav, Broughton ;) :p , etc across the whole season.

Like I said could be an option to start the season, Cox forward with Luey as a midprice option (obviously won't have a forward line like that ^ at round 1) but holding the 3 rucks too long ie: Until the bye rounds, I just don't think is worth it.

Also there are going to be plenty of forward midpricers to consider. That's why at this stage I'm going to look at ignoring the ruck/forward link for now and just start Cox and Luey as my 2 rucks.
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I'm thinking

Roughead Leunberger (RUC ROOKIE like Daw, Currie, Witts, Grundy) (Rowe v O'Hailpin v McKernan)
Cox in the forward line

Leunberger is dirt cheap at 233k
My idea is to have Cox in the forward line (few FWD rookies to look at early stages) use the RUC/FWD swingman set up to cover unconfident INS/OUTS in the first half of the season then come the byes or midway through the season whe Leuy is at 400k+ Switch Cox back into the RUC and trade Leuy for a Forward once i've established if players like Zorko can do it again, or if Pav isnt too old or if Stevie Johnson can get some consistency
 

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Keystone agony said:
I dont see the point in picking Cox in forwards, may aswell be a ruck. Leunenberger the only one i really like in the rucks so far.

Which Roughead is everyone talking about?
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Most likely Jarryd, personally I won't pick him as he may not play the mobile ruck role in 2013 as much as in 2012 which is his best-scoring year, more like an FF role (not a Hawks supporter though).
 
I am going with NicNat in the forward line (I would be surprised if he averages less than 95 next year).

Goldy and Leuy in the Rucks with a cheap R/F rookie to allow NicNat to cover for the ruck department. I went with Dean Cox last year but I see NicNat dominating in 2013 so I am going for value in the rucks rather than fully established premiums.

Leuy averaged close to 100 in 2011 but I do not like his chances of playing every game.
 
Wont play in Nab cup having some bad groin troubles along with other things. I certainly had him penciled in at the end of 2012, injury is the only thing that can stop him. I expect a slow start and a big finish from NN some think he might not even be ready for round 1, things may have changed.
 
If the rumours about Naitanui having groin problems - and potentially not being ready for round one, are true then the lack of preseason will put me off selecting him. I don't see how he can run around in the middle all game without putting in the miles during the preseason.

I'd look to him in the second half of the year.
 

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Tayl0r said:
If the rumours about Naitanui having groin problems - and potentially not being ready for round one, are true then the lack of preseason will put me off selecting him. I don't see how he can run around in the middle all game without putting in the miles during the preseason.

I'd look to him in the second half of the year.
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Makes cox a certainty to b picked IF nicnat is injured
 
Keystone agony said:
I dont see the point in picking Cox in forwards, may aswell be a ruck. Leunenberger the only one i really like in the rucks so far.
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The reason people are looking at Cox in the fwds is the terrible ruck coverage this year. In particular with Leuy being in 95% of decent teams if your rucks miss games there are very few decent options as coverage, hence the strategy of a dead DPP rck / fwd at R4 linked to a Cox / Ryder / Roughead type in the fwds.

If a premium ruck is out for 1-2 weeks, swing your Fwd / Ruck across as cover and use your fwd bench on the field.

The other obvious benefit is the certain dead player at R4 early in the year which will be needed for the Captain loophole with rolling lockout every game. McBean looks the best R4 option early although some of his games early in the year are Friday / Saturday which doesn't help with the loophole
 
Tayl0r said:
If the rumours about Naitanui having groin problems - and potentially not being ready for round one, are true then the lack of preseason will put me off selecting him. I don't see how he can run around in the middle all game without putting in the miles during the preseason.

I'd look to him in the second half of the year.
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i cant find any articles about nicnats injuries at present - can anyone shed some light on this?
 
54Dogs said:
The reason people are looking at Cox in the fwds is the terrible ruck coverage this year. In particular with Leuy being in 95% of decent teams if your rucks miss games there are very few decent options as coverage, hence the strategy of a dead DPP rck / fwd at R4 linked to a Cox / Ryder / Roughead type in the fwds.

If a premium ruck is out for 1-2 weeks, swing your Fwd / Ruck across as cover and use your fwd bench on the field.

The other obvious benefit is the certain dead player at R4 early in the year which will be needed for the Captain loophole with rolling lockout every game. McBean looks the best R4 option early although some of his games early in the year are Friday / Saturday which doesn't help with the loophole
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There never really is good coverage in the rucks though is there? I guess your referring to the new teams and us having Zac Smith and Giles in the past 2 years which wont be the case this year. I guess we will have to see if someone pops up otherwise you do make a good point with needing that extra coverage and the greater DPP with R/F certainly aids in this strategy. I guess there is no real problem from moving Cox to the rucks latter in the year and picking up another premium forward, you certainly wouldnt want Cox to stay as one of the forwards because than i feel your missing to many points with him being ruck instead.
 

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