Portfolio 2014 AFL Jumper Ideas

[rabbitoh21]

I reckon our 1914 guernsey would have sufficed, had Collingwood kept their (superior) white based jumper, as this one has no number panel. We could have dropped the Magpies moniker aswell.

A predominantly white guernsey vs a predominantly black guernsey doesn't clash. Alas, it's ancient history now.

The 1914 would have eliminated the Collingwood clash, but there still would be a place for a colour like silver or teal as any prison bar guernsey would clash with teams like Essendon, Richmond, Carlton, etc.

 

[Timewaster]

How about every club is treated equally with their rights to determine their colours, brand and guernsey. Stop the nepotism and "we were here first" bull .

I agree with your first point, but I think the second sentence contradicts it.

All existing clubs have the right to determine their colours and brand. If a club changes and creates a clash, they should not have the right to force other clubs to change. If Carlton wants to change to red and white, and even if they can sell it to the fans, there's no reason why Sydney should have to work around them.

 

[rabbitoh21]

I agree with your first point, but I think the second sentence contradicts it.

All existing clubs have the right to determine their colours and brand. If a club changes and creates a clash, they should not have the right to force other clubs to change. If Carlton wants to change to red and white, and even if they can sell it to the fans, there's no reason why Sydney should have to work around them.

When it's a Sydney home game - no change. When it's a Carlton home game - clash guernsey, deal with it.

 

[Noctorniquet]

That's a very good point, it hadn't occurred to me. At the time the issue was simply black and white stripes - maybe Port should have bargained for Prison Bars at home in exchange for 'approving' Collingwood's appropriation of its white stripes on black. I guess there was a power imbalance in a club seeking to join a new competition....

In any case, I'd like to see clubs defending their brands a bit better. If clubs want to stray into each other's brand territory fine, but the clubs that were there first shouldn't have to change to accommodate them. Noone should have to change to fit with Collingwood's, Port's or Freo's new guernsey IMO.

What is your opinion on the rumoured change to the old Carlton monogram for next year? Does this ruin their "brand" in your eyes?

 

[Timewaster]

What is your opinion on the rumoured change to the old Carlton monogram for next year? Does this ruin their "brand" in your eyes?

They're changing the shape of the letters on the existing monogram. They're keeping the colours. They're returning to a jumper we were very successful in. I'm looking forward to it if it's true.

 

[jabba5114]

The 1914 would have eliminated the Collingwood clash, but there still would be a place for a colour like silver or teal as any prison bar guernsey would clash with teams like Essendon, Richmond, Carlton, etc.

Could still use that top just in power colours.

 

[lmach]

I assume you've got no problem with Fremantle wearing a WA State jumper? Or GWS changing from their horror show to, say, the Yellow Peril? Port was rightly denied their wish to infringe on Collingwood's traditional guernsey, and it's a pity the comp hasn't stayed true to that principle.

I'm sorry, which AFL/VFL club did West Coast steal the Yellow Peril from?

Port were denied their wish to wear the prison bars because it's very similar to Collingwood's black and white stripes. I'm sure if a new club entered the league and wanted to wear blue and gold wings slightly different to West Coast's wings, they'd be denied that too.

It's funny that fans in the West don't seem to care, perhaps because the WAFL clubs always used to change to much - I say thta as a Perth resident, by the way.

Don't care about what exactly, having to wear a clash strip? If it's your home game, you wear your home strip; If you're playing away from home and your away/home strip clashes, you wear your clash strip. The 'we were here first' notion is self-righteous crap.

 

[Bryce_Jersey17]

I'm sorry, which AFL/VFL club did West Coast steal the Yellow Peril from?

Port were denied their wish to wear the prison bars because it's very similar to Collingwood's black and white stripes. I'm sure if a new club entered the league and wanted to wear blue and gold wings slightly different to West Coast's wings, they'd be denied that too.

Don't care about what exactly, having to wear a clash strip? If it's your home game, you wear your home strip; If you're playing away from home and your away/home strip clashes, you wear your clash strip. The 'we were here first' notion is self-righteous crap.

I completely agree with you. See any Gold Coast vs Sydney match where GC is the home team. Sydney, as is right and proper, wear their clash strip. Also, Port Adelaide (home) vs Carlton. Carlton is the older side, yes, but they still wear their clash strip in those matches.

 

[DoctorPav29]

It isn't 1986 anymore. How hard is it to understand that the home team should be able to wear whatever the hell they want with the away team finding something that doesn't clash. If that means Carlton or Essendon have to wear a white jumper, then tough t***ies, deal with it. Your 'tradition' won't take a hit from having to wear another jumper a few times a year.

If you ask me, that's typical Victorian arrogance.

 

[Andonis1997]

If you ask me, that's typical Victorian arrogance.

Making Essendon have to wear a white guernsey?

I'd say that's the opposite!

 

[Heardy_101]

Interesting debate - nothing to do with 2014 Jumper ideas, though. LOL

Anyway, here's my two or three cents:

Yes, we can all appreciate the fact that clubs have traditions, heritage, and culture, and that some do not for one reason or another (eg Adelaide). However this does neccesarily mean that their heritage or culture is taken away when they have to come up with an "away" or "clash" jumper (note how I said "jumper", not "shorts") because their home or main kit clashes with the home or main kit of the home side.

In regards to shorts (and I have said this in other threads) coloured, black or white shorts should not denote who is the home or away side - look at amateur or state leagues where some clubs where white shorts at home and coloured shorts away (eg North Adelaide and Central Districts, and Adelaide Reserves to a lesser extent).

I don't think for a minute that clubs should be forced to come up with new kits when other clubs enter the league, or when other clubs change. I mean, for this to happen anyway, don't the other clubs have some sort of say anyway? I mean, let's pretend Gold Coast decide to ditch the blue and yellow and decide to be red and white - same as Sydney. Wouldn't the other clubs including Sydney have to review and approve (or disapprove) the change?

Same as if Port decided to drop the teal and silver and go back to black and white (and keep the "V" jumper for example), wouldn't the other clubs have to review and decide upon the change (no doubt Eddie would have something to say.....)?

 

[DoctorPav29]

Making Essendon have to wear a white guernsey?

I'd say that's the opposite!

I see my comment might have been confusing. I meant that Essendon complaining about it is typical Victorian arrogance.

 

[Rising Power]

I'm not trying to be controversial. They wanted to use their Prison Bar guernsey and the Magpies nickname, but Collingwood disallowed both because of the clash, right?

What clash?

 

[The Pedigree]

North:

Stuffed up the stripe width on this one but I couldn't be stuffed going back and fixing it.

The jumpers look great with the wider stripes, brings it back to the early-mid 90's jumpers. Should be adopted going forward, along with the blue numbers. Great job with the designs!

 

[4321]

Interesting debate - nothing to do with 2014 Jumper ideas, though. LOL

Anyway, here's my two or three cents:

Yes, we can all appreciate the fact that clubs have traditions, heritage, and culture, and that some do not for one reason or another (eg Adelaide). However this does neccesarily mean that their heritage or culture is taken away when they have to come up with an "away" or "clash" jumper (note how I said "jumper", not "shorts") because their home or main kit clashes with the home or main kit of the home side.

In regards to shorts (and I have said this in other threads) coloured, black or white shorts should not denote who is the home or away side - look at amateur or state leagues where some clubs where white shorts at home and coloured shorts away (eg North Adelaide and Central Districts, and Adelaide Reserves to a lesser extent).

I don't think for a minute that clubs should be forced to come up with new kits when other clubs enter the league, or when other clubs change. I mean, for this to happen anyway, don't the other clubs have some sort of say anyway? I mean, let's pretend Gold Coast decide to ditch the blue and yellow and decide to be red and white - same as Sydney. Wouldn't the other clubs including Sydney have to review and approve (or disapprove) the change?

Same as if Port decided to drop the teal and silver and go back to black and white (and keep the "V" jumper for example), wouldn't the other clubs have to review and decide upon the change (no doubt Eddie would have something to say.....)?

Adelaide Reserves don't play at home, the play all games away, plus there wear navy shorts every week, except when they played South they wore white, on a side note my footy club wears Red shorts at home and in away matches with no clash of shorts, then white shorts if there's a clash, if both of those clash or we just wanna wear black shorts we do

 

[Steve Clarke]

Absolutely right. If a team creates a colour clash no other team should have to change to accommodate it. In particular West Coast, who came into the competition in royal blue and yellow, chose to create a clash with Carlton, Geelong, Richmond and Essendon. Their choice created the problem so they should always wear away guernseys against those clubs. Ditto Collingwood in their "new" black-based guernsey, Port and Freo.

One team choosing to change their heritage shouldn't require every other team to mess with their own.

Thanks for your reply. For those who are still not convinced have a look at Sundays Essendon / Collingwood game. Collingwood wore white shorts but still wore their predominantly black jumper with white numbers. When both teams had their back to the camera you could tell them apart by looking closely, but if they had worn their white jumper with black numbers it would have been much better. I cannot believe we are still having this issue, it is so easy to solve.

 

[Fizzler]

What clash?

The only clash in that is Best footy team ever and the umpires.

 

[Andonis1997]

The only clash in that is Best footy team ever and the umpires.

Not in everyone else's minds you're not.

 

[Fizzler]

Not in everyone else's minds you're not.

Sorry that was my autocorrect. I fricken hate when that happens. I meant collingwood