List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Aldo]

I just really like Duggan's combination of both attacking and defensive ability. Is averaging over 5 tackles a game in the TAC cup, so he is already doing well there. Most guys are either moderately good in both sides of the game, or very good in one but not the other. From the bits I've seen and some of the stuff I've heard, he is very good in both. Sure he isn't as big as many of the others and won't be able to win the ball as much, but I think it is easier to put on size and strength than to acquire an elite kick and pace.​

 

[Chris Grant]

I heard he got 10 tackles, did you have binoculars when you watched the game?

I was impressed whenever he got the ball, but I don't think he yet has the size/strength to be accumulating the ball as much as a Maynard/Brayshaw, who look built and accumulate the ball at will

I'd still like to see more to, but looks classy and if he says he supports the bulldogs, I'd be even more wanting to get him

I did hear that, he's a very strong tackler. I saw him a few times last year in the TAC Cup, made some great lunging tackles which stick out from memory. He's certainly got a good defensive side to his game already.

You don't need size and strength to be accumulating the ball, look at Josh Kelly, Lachie Whitfield and Jackson Macrae in previous years. Duggan has shown an ability in the TAC to accumulate, but not consistently yet. As the year develops, I'm hopeful he can

 

[Dav1d]

I did hear that, he's a very strong tackler. I saw him a few times last year in the TAC Cup, made some great lunging tackles which stick out from memory. He's certainly got a good defensive side to his game already.

You don't need size and strength to be accumulating the ball, look at Josh Kelly, Lachie Whitfield and Jackson Macrae in previous years. Duggan has shown an ability in the TAC to accumulate, but not consistently yet. As the year develops, I'm hopeful he can

did you head down to the geelong game? was there, I didn't think Josh Kelly got that much of the ball then him at TAC level definitely Champs

I'd say he is one of the best ball users at Metro/Country, but Pickett has pace and probably does as much damage but we seem to like our Vics recently

metro were overall pretty poor on the weekend after the first quarter, was a bit hard for him to win much of it because he team was completely dominated for 3 quarters

 

[Lex22]

Where does everyone think Pickett will fall in the draft? It looks as though he might be mid first rounder, but would anyone take him with pick 4 or 5?

I still think we should be looking for a big guy but we can't completely rule out this kid. He's one of the most naturally talented footballers that I've seen in a while.

 

[Super Hans]

I just really like Duggan's combination of both attacking and defensive ability. Is averaging over 5 tackles a game in the TAC cup, so he is already doing well there. Most guys are either moderately good in both sides of the game, or very good in one but not the other. From the bits I've seen and some of the stuff I've heard, he is very good in both. Sure he isn't as big as many of the others and won't be able to win the ball as much, but I think it is easier to put on size and strength than to acquire an elite kick and pace.​

I think the good thing about Duggan is we can play him off a back flank next year, just like we did with Griff.

 

[acker]

I don't care if Duggan gets 10 touches a game, if they're all quality. Guys like Cyril, Stephen hill, jetta, don't need 25 touches a week to win games.

Les Bamblett is a classic example - seldom got over 12 touches often got over 2 goals and had a tag on him who was getting bugger all touches but no goals

 

[Some Idiot]

Les Bamblett is a classic example - seldom got over 12 touches often got over 2 goals and had a tag on him who was getting bugger all touches but no goals

forwards and defenders used to get a lot less of the ball, very different to the modern game where a lot of players push up to the ball and players share it around more.

 

[Chris Grant]

did you head down to the geelong game? was there, I didn't think Josh Kelly got that much of the ball then him at TAC level definitely Champs

I'd say he is one of the best ball users at Metro/Country, but Pickett has pace and probably does as much damage but we seem to like our Vics recently

metro were overall pretty poor on the weekend after the first quarter, was a bit hard for him to win much of it because he team was completely dominated for 3 quarters

Kelly averaged nearly 30 disposals in the TAC last year out of his 6 games.
Duggan is averaging 22 disposals in 6 games.

I was there. It wasn't a bad game, but it wasn't anything worthy of a top 5 pick either. His champs game before that wasn't all that great either by reports. I'm not saying I don't like Duggan, in fact I really do like him. His ball use is great, he moves well, his defensive game is good and he fits what we need. I just want to see him get more of it at the champs.

 

[Dav1d]

Kelly averaged nearly 30 disposals in the TAC last year out of his 6 games.
Duggan is averaging 22 disposals in 6 games.

I was there. It wasn't a bad game, but it wasn't anything worthy of a top 5 pick either. His champs game before that wasn't all that great either by reports. I'm not saying I don't like Duggan, in fact I really do like him. His ball use is great, he moves well, his defensive game is good and he fits what we need. I just want to see him get more of it at the champs.

To be honest, I was saying watching the games that
the quality of this years players isn't close to last years draft and no-where near the quality to the draft before

I thought Kellys disposal last year was pretty average to be honest, compared to how I saw him use it the year before

but I think if Wright/McCartin are off the table, I'd be seriously considering a Pickett/Duggan though....need a player that can be damaging when he gets a hold of it and I understand what you're getting at but think he'd be better fed the ball at the next level and we've preached the win your own ball thing but come on....easy enough to win your own ball, got to be able to bloody well use it to

Seen any of Viojo-Rainbow? Rated him for a while now, as far as kicking

 

[Dav1d]

Liam Duggan (Western Jets)

Height: 183 cm
Weight: 76 kg
Position: Half-back
Strengths: Disposal, speed, penetrating kick
Areas of improvement: Inside game, composure
Player comparison: Matt Suckling

Liam Duggan is one of the most talented players in the TAC Cup but is hardly mentioned outside the Under 18s competition given all the focus on the talls of this year’s draft crop. He is the Western Jets’ key play maker who is not only used, but relied upon to provide crucial drive off the half-back flank. In doing so, he willingly helps provide run-and-carry for his side and would gain plenty of meterage like a Heath Shaw.

It would be remiss to just characterise Duggan as a running half back. He has a disguised weapon that comes in the form of his left boot, something that is rare for many players. He is the type that can not only run, but boot the ball over 60 metres and hit a target. Without meaning to get too stuck into cliche’s, he’s shoot the wings off a fly such is his accuracy.

Duggan’s man area for improvement would be his inside game because without needing to look at statistics, plenty of his disposals would be handball receives or intercept marks. This isn’t to say he avoids contests, but no doubt he prefers receiving the ball and sprinting away from packs to hit targets up forward. This strength along with his penetrating kick is the reason he has drawn comparisons to Matt Suckling.

Very few were surprised when the rebounding defender was selected in the AIS Academy squad and he has further enhanced his credentials with impressive performances this season. In a wet and soggy affair at Dandenong, Duggan had 33 disposals, 11 handball receives, five marks, six tackles and a goal. This performance indicated he was becoming a more rounded player and someone who could drift forward and kick goals when his team needed him.

The Western Jets must see Duggan as a barometer because unsurprisingly, when he plays well the team wins. In the Jets’ wins this season where Duggan has played, he has averaged 29.5 disposals. In their losses, he contributed an average of just 14.5 disposals. No doubt the opposition would be looking to shut down Duggan as a person of interest because of the run and disposal he provides – a deadly combination that would give any opposition coach headaches.

Another key reason to lock down Duggan is he can occasionally rush his disposal when pressure is inferred. While he is a beautiful kick of the football when given time and space, if he is kept under wraps, he can often kick short or pick the first option he sees. This shows either a lack of composure or a directive to gain meterage rather than cause a stoppage. Whatever the reason, Duggan is more effective when left alone to his own devices. Unfortunately it won’t take AFL clubs and opposition players to work out what it takes to stop him so it’s something he’ll need to work on.

Liam Duggan is a rebounding defender who loves the time and space of the open wing. He is a playmaker and instruments passages from half back to half forward, usually by carrying the ball 20 metres before booting it 60 metres. While he has some deficiencies in his game, sides like the Western Bulldogs, GWS or Carlton could use his disposal off the half back flank and while there is still plenty of months till the National Draft, expect Liam Duggan’s name to be called sooner rather than later.


from http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-player-profile-liam-duggan/

 

[doggies ftw]

Damn I want Duggan, want a KPF too though so it's difficult hopefully we can find a way to get both.

 

[VitalDread]

Damn I want Duggan, want a KPF too though so it's difficult hopefully we can find a way to get both.

If we ask nicely we may get a first round compo

 

[fronkalicious]

Damn I want Duggan, want a KPF too though so it's difficult hopefully we can find a way to get both.

Take Duggan. Summer of 2015 is our time to grab a key forward.

 

[Dav1d]

If we ask nicely we may get a first round compo

Even Damien Parrot is doing his part in trying to get us a comp pick, calling us irrelevant consistently
if we got one, there would be some mad teams but they should get over it

come onnnnnnnnnn Wright & Duggan .. fantasy talk, but the very thought of getting Wright/Duggan/Laverde or/and possibly Viojo-Rainbow/Drummond and of course Cordy on top and Foster possibly on the rookie list would excite me

if we got Duggan, I shall get a Bulldog and name it Doggan and have it with me at our Footscray VFL games

 

[doggies ftw]

Take Duggan. Summer of 2015 is our time to grab a key forward.

Yeah that seems the most likely, and probably the path that is best off for the club but can you imagine the uproar?! Supporters would lose their shit haha and I honestly don't think the coaching staff would make it through the year with the amount pressure people would put on them, unfortunately

 

[Dav1d]

Yeah that seems the most likely, and probably the path that is best off for the club but can you imagine the uproar?! Supporters would lose their shit haha and I honestly don't think the coaching staff would make it through the year with the amount pressure people would put on them, unfortunately

facebook loses it every year when we don't take a KPF, KPFs take time and they want one now
they want a player from the draft to come in and kick many goals in a season and say how Chris Grant had done it in his first season

 

[Chris Grant]

To be honest, I was saying watching the games that
the quality of this years players isn't close to last years draft and no-where near the quality to the draft before

I thought Kellys disposal last year was pretty average to be honest, compared to how I saw him use it the year before

but I think if Wright/McCartin are off the table, I'd be seriously considering a Pickett/Duggan though....need a player that can be damaging when he gets a hold of it and I understand what you're getting at but think he'd be better fed the ball at the next level and we've preached the win your own ball thing but come on....easy enough to win your own ball, got to be able to bloody well use it to

Seen any of Viojo-Rainbow? Rated him for a while now, as far as kicking

Ah ok. Yeah the quality of the game wasn't as good as last year, the big guns aren't playing to the level I expected them to play. It's been a little disappointing so far, but I guess there were a few quality player's missing from both sides on the weekend.

After McCartin and Wright, I agree Pickett/Duggan would come under serious consideration given our need for pace and ball use. I'd add Durdin to that list as the most likely candidates as well. But part of me wonders whether the club would strongly consider Brayshaw as well. I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned, but from the times I've seen Brayshaw he looks like he's got some nice pace. Doesn't really use it to break the lines, but it certainly helps him get to contest to contest quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the top 10 in the 20m or repeat sprints come combine time, or maybe both. He has some nice skills as well and fits that bigger midfielder we seem so keen on.

Rainbow looked alright the couple times I saw him last year. He didn't do a lot, but you're right he has a nice kick on him.

 

[Dav1d]

Ah ok. Yeah the quality of the game wasn't as good as last year, the big guns aren't playing to the level I expected them to play. It's been a little disappointing so far, but I guess there were a few quality player's missing from both sides on the weekend.

After McCartin and Wright, I agree Pickett/Duggan would come under serious consideration given our need for pace and ball use. I'd add Durdin to that list as the most likely candidates as well. But part of me wonders whether the club would strongly consider Brayshaw as well. I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned, but from the times I've seen Brayshaw he looks like he's got some nice pace. Doesn't really use it to break the lines, but it certainly helps him get to contest to contest quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the top 10 in the 20m or repeat sprints come combine time, or maybe both. He has some nice skills as well and fits that bigger midfielder we seem so keen on.

Rainbow looked alright the couple times I saw him last year. He didn't do a lot, but you're right he has a nice kick on him.

Brayshaw/Maynard remind me an awful lot like one another, Brayshaw just accumulates it more; both use the ball pretty averagely
but I think they could play a Nick Vlaustin type role at the next level

his name has been thrown up a couple of times but as far as nice skills, its certainly not by foot
doesn't have howlers, but sometimes undershoots or over shoots his targets

I'd probably toss Goddard out as well to be honest, was extremely poor when Country were dominating; did nothing in attack so was pushed back and got some cheap disposals by having kicks come back to him and apparently according to scouting reports was misjudging the ball in the air; though it was quite a bright day out

I actually compared Duggan to Suckling a while ago and thought it was because he got a bit of cheap ball, but his team-mates rely on him pretty heavily and as some of the scouting notes said, when he plays well; his team is doing well and when his team wasn't doing well he was tackling
because they couldn't win the ball and has all been attracting tags to keep him out of the game and has me curious how he'd go at the next level where he wouldn't be free as often

Drummond is the other player that I want to see play live, I didn't see Goodyear use the pace I've heard about
saw a few bits and pieces of him and him (Drummond) and he is an animal and super quick ; reminds me somewhere around Nathan Jones/Patrick Dangerfield type

 

[acker]

forwards and defenders used to get a lot less of the ball, very different to the modern game where a lot of players push up to the ball and players share it around more.

Bamblett had Rioli like pace off the burst to put a gap on his opponent, he also could play as a defensive forward

Sure the stamina of players has increased, but there is no reason to think players like Les Bamblett wouldn't be fitter as a player in 2014 - like Eddie Betts, Rioli, Varcoe, Jetta, etc

 

[Chris Grant]

Brayshaw/Maynard remind me an awful lot like one another, Brayshaw just accumulates it more; both use the ball pretty averagely
but I think they could play a Nick Vlaustin type role at the next level

his name has been thrown up a couple of times but as far as nice skills, its certainly not by foot
doesn't have howlers, but sometimes undershoots or over shoots his targets

I'd probably toss Goddard out as well to be honest, was extremely poor when Country were dominating; did nothing in attack so was pushed back and got some cheap disposals by having kicks come back to him and apparently according to scouting reports was misjudging the ball in the air; though it was quite a bright day out

I actually compared Duggan to Suckling a while ago and thought it was because he got a bit of cheap ball, but his team-mates rely on him pretty heavily and as some of the scouting notes said, when he plays well; his team is doing well and when his team wasn't doing well he was tackling
because they couldn't win the ball and has all been attracting tags to keep him out of the game and has me curious how he'd go at the next level where he wouldn't be free as often

Drummond is the other player that I want to see play live, I didn't see Goodyear use the pace I've heard about
saw a few bits and pieces of him and him (Drummond) and he is an animal and super quick ; reminds me somewhere around Nathan Jones/Patrick Dangerfield type

The couple times I've seen Brayshaw last year, his kicking was pretty good. But I did hear he used it very poorly in the first champs game, maybe it's that added pressure?

Goddard has really platued since his U16 days. I don't want him either, unless he shows a bit more as a defender.

Drummond I've never seen. Sounds like the type we would go after, how's his skills?

 

[Dav1d]

The couple times I've seen Brayshaw last year, his kicking was pretty good. But I did hear he used it very poorly in the first champs game, maybe it's that added pressure?

Goddard has really platued since his U16 days. I don't want him either, unless he shows a bit more as a defender.

Drummond I've never seen. Sounds like the type we would go after, how's his skills?

supposed to be quite average by foot, like good year; nothing spectacular ; will need to see more live, as Ive just seen footage and prefer seeing live to see what he does whenever he doesn't have the ball

 

[Super Hans]

If Cordy's as good as people say he is our defence looks fine for the future.

Wood------Roughead
Higgins-------Talia--------Cordy

JJ too.

Just need a back pocket, a Nick Smith or Lee Spurr type. Good thing is these guys don't usually go high in the draft. Anyone like that in this years draft?

 

[maddog37]

Daniel Pearce May be that type.....

 

[Dav1d]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-10/u18-champs-div-1-round-3-stats

Cordy with 92% efficiency Maishman with 55% like I said, think he is just a far better accumulating version of Tutt

 

[Dogsman16]

Keitel might be my favourite player of this draft, for those who know can anybody tell me anything about Stewart from WA and Switzoski from Metro, both had good effieciency and marking ability, and the S.A skipper as well Johansen.