List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[TempleKelvington]

In July 2013, Callum Twomey put up his phantom draft. Whether you like his opinion or not, he does this for a job so must have some ability to work it out.

He had it like this:

1 Tom Boyd
2 James Aish
3 Matthew Scharenberg
4 Luke McDonald
5 Jack Billings
6 Josh Kelly
7 Ben Lennon
8 Lewis Taylor
9 Kade Kolodjashnij
10 Matt Crouch

Aish slips to 7, Scharenberg 6, Crouch to 23, Taylor 28. A lot can happen.

Yes does it for a living and yet no Bont insight.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

To be fair to him, Bontempelli absolutely bolted after that point in time.

Earlier in 2013 people had him going late in the second round.

 

[TempleKelvington]

To be fair to him, Bontempelli absolutely bolted after that point in time.

Earlier in 2013 people had him going late in the second round.

Yeah, but these guys are the experts? They should have seen his potential, or do they just find out what the clubs are thinking and don't make their own minds up. I think with some of these experts it's the latter, which is fine as an indication of draft order, but not an analysis of the talent.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Yeah, but these guys are the experts? They should have seen his potential, or do they just find out what the clubs are thinking and don't make their own minds up. I think with some of these experts it's the latter, which is fine as an indication of draft order, but not an analysis of the talent.

Well, the word 'expert' gets thrown around a lot these days...

Twomey's an 'expert' if Damian Barrett's an 'expert', I'll say that.

But Bontempelli's performances after that point saw him selected in the top 10, he's perfectly justified in not having him listed there in July 2013.

Edit: Fixed it up to add the rest of your quote.

They'd analysed the talent at that point earlier in the year - it was well publicised for a while that the Dogs were heavily into Bontempelli, but this was long before all that. He had talent, but he wasn't worth spending a first rounder on, there was too much risk attached with assured prospects like Aish and Scharenberg likely to be there. He finished the year strongly, both the Dogs and the Pies (and the Dees) by all reports were prepared to reach, and the rest is history.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Well, the word 'expert' gets thrown around a lot these days...

Twomey's an 'expert' if Damian Barrett's an 'expert', I'll say that.

But Bontempelli's performances after that point saw him selected in the top 10, he's perfectly justified in not having him listed there in July 2013.

I added a bit more to my last reply to you. But if you get it badly wrong it has to come back to credibility.

 

[BRG93]

I'm going to throw one up who hasn't been spoken about...
Jack Charleston from Williamstown he played really well on the weekend playing off Half Back

 

[TempleKelvington]

If I was the dogs head scout, I'd lead the media punters around the mulberry bush and not tell them what I was thinking, rather steer them down the wrong path. Make these guys do some research and come up with their own list.

It's why I don't give all my secrets away on here, because I am certain they read BF and get there thought, information and ideas from us. Lazy sods, go and watch some footy and come up with some original thoughts.

 

[TempleKelvington]

I'm going to throw one up who hasn't been spoken about...
Jack Charleston from Williamstown he played really well on the weekend playing off Half Back

I saw him and Grant liked each other a lot on the weekend.

 

[fronkalicious]

Cal twomey thinks cordy costs us a 2nd rounder. Rates him very highly as a defender. Never fumbles. Very smart.

Also confident foster costs us a 3rd or at least a 4th rounder. Interesting.

 

[Tommycash]

Cal twomey thinks cordy costs us a 2nd rounder. Rates him very highly as a defender. Never fumbles. Very smart.

Also confident foster costs us a 3rd or at least a 4th rounder. Interesting.

I see. That would be a worst case scenario for me. But We will see.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Cal twomey thinks cordy costs us a 2nd rounder. Rates him very highly as a defender. Never fumbles. Very smart.

Also confident foster costs us a 3rd or at least a 4th rounder. Interesting.

Ok then that adds some weight to trading away draft pick 1 and 2nd rounder and or mixture of players to try and get as high a pick as possible in the attempt to get this Peter Wright fellow. That would mean best available pick for Zaine would be a 3rd rounder and Foster a 4th rounder.

 

[Leezorr]

Ok then that adds some weight to trading away draft pick 1 and 2nd rounder and or mixture of players to try and get as high a pick as possible in the attempt to get this Peter Wright fellow. That would mean best available pick for Zaine would be a 3rd rounder and Foster a 4th rounder.

Father son is done pre trade period, to stop exactly that happening.

 

[Tommycash]

Ok then that adds some weight to trading away draft pick 1 and 2nd rounder and or mixture of players to try and get as high a pick as possible in the attempt to get this Peter Wright fellow. That would mean best available pick for Zaine would be a 3rd rounder and Foster a 4th rounder.

Not how it works. I am pretty sure father son nominations are at the beginning of trade week, which locks in the pick you will need to use to secure the father son pick. Thus that pick becomes non tradable.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Father son is done pre trade period, to stop exactly that happening.

damn I was about to congratulate TK for his genius idea!

 

[Doggies7]

Haha we have to sticky that at the start of the off-season every year, it gets repeated until people are red in the face with every new poster coming in with that idea...

 

[fronkalicious]

Anyone open to bidding on Darcy Moore with pick 5/6?

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Anyone open to bidding on Darcy Moore with pick 5/6?

Depends.

He's among the best talls in the draft, but I'd rather not piss Collingwood off with us likely to nominate 2 under the F/S rule this year.

 

[Turtle3]

Anyone open to bidding on Darcy Moore with pick 5/6?

Yes.
If we get him he will be a gun. If not at least we make sure Collingwood pay a fair price for him.

 

[Igloo]

Anyone open to bidding on Darcy Moore with pick 5/6?

Yep. Pies will take him anyway.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Father son is done pre trade period, to stop exactly that happening.

Ah ok

 

[Wizard17]

http://www.examiner.com.au/story/2496675/hanson-storms-into-afl-draft-contention/

More 19yo's in contention this year than in previous years. Interesting he is currently equal in the TSLs player of the year also putting on 10kgs over the preseason shows he has a huge work ethic. My list for possible midfielder rookies grows.

 

[Wizard17]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-03/combines-small-stories

Toby McLean now going to national combine.

 

[TempleKelvington]

The following players are the only ones where I think if we traded them to improve our draft order that it would be counter productive. Depending of course on who we get and I am thinking Wright.

Griff, Bont, Macrea, Hrovat, Dalhaus, Stringer, Liberatore, Wallis, Smith. Outside of those guys we have guys we won't get anything for, some who are not tradable probably due to age. But there are plenty with some currency. Yes it would mean making very hard calls, but only if the deal is excellent for us. There are lots of guys I don't want to see traded who are not part of the group above, so I am not advocating trading anyone unless we get a super no brainer deal. That said you have to be prepared to take risks and unfortunately let go some very good players.

 

[farstrider]

The following players are the only ones where I think if we traded them to improve our draft order that it would be counter productive. Depending of course on who we get and I am thinking Wright.

Griff, Bont, Macrea, Hrovat, Dalhaus, Stringer, Liberatore, Wallis, Smith. Outside of those guys we have guys we won't get anything for, some who are not tradable probably due to age. But there are plenty with some currency. Yes it would mean making very hard calls, but only if the deal is excellent for us. There are lots of guys I don't want to see traded who are not part of the group above, so I am not advocating trading anyone unless we get a super no brainer deal. That said you have to be prepared to take risks and unfortunately let go some very good players.

Why do people keep putting Smith on lists like this? I'm not disagreeing, it's a genuine question.

 

[Leezorr]

Why do people keep putting Smith on lists like this? I'm not disagreeing, it's a genuine question.

I don't see it, never seen a player come back well from a second Knee, he is still young though.