Position 2016 Defenders

[Here2tellyouwhy]

I love the backline. I wish I could take the 6 keepers I want

Shaw (110), Rance (95-100), Laird (91-98), Birchall (89-96), Rich (87-93) and Pittard (85-95)

Ohh but you can...

 

[Hairy Lager]

I love the backline. I wish I could take the 6 keepers I want

Shaw (110), Rance (95-100), Laird (91-98), Birchall (89-96), Rich (87-93) and Pittard (85-95)

 

[stevebbb]

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I will also guarantee they'll both average more than Gov and Yeo

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

I will also guarantee they'll both average more than Gov and Yeo

If a spud like Pittard with his decision making and disposal can out score McGovern then the whole scoring system is flawed and Champion Data would be laughed at.

 

[stevebbb]

If a spud like Pittard with his decision making and disposal can out score McGovern then the whole scoring system is flawed and Champion Data would be laughed at.

If he improves his efficiency slightly (which he will, his natural polrogression and he's injury free), his average will jump up big time. Look at KK, Laird, Birchall, etc. Mostly kicking, r50s, i50s... It's SC gold.
Gov on the other hand will be sooo up and down. He'll go missing in matches. Some matches he'll be forced to match up, some matches he'll go forward and kick 0.2 and score 40. He also gets injured every second game.. He'll average 78-84

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

If he improves his efficiency slightly (which he will, his natural polrogression and he's injury free), his average will jump up big time. Look at KK, Laird, Birchall, etc. Mostly kicking, r50s, i50s... It's SC gold.
Gov on the other hand will be sooo up and down. He'll go missing in matches. Some matches he'll be forced to match up, some matches he'll go forward and kick 0.2 and score 40. He also gets injured every second game.. He'll average 78-84

Injuries will always be a problem for Gov but being better than Pittard never will.
McGovern is one of the best kicks in the comp. A very underrated kick. Elite IMO.
Pittard might up his average but he wont ever be the player McGovern could be injury free.

 

[stevebbb]

Injuries will always be a problem for Gov but being better than Pittard never will.
McGovern is one of the best kicks in the comp. A very underrated kick. Elite IMO.
Pittard might up his average but he wont ever be the player McGovern could be injury free.

Talking about SC mate, not who is a better player.
Pittard will average more than Gov. You can say I told you so if I'm wrong come rd23

 

[croweyrocks]

If he improves his efficiency slightly (which he will, his natural polrogression and he's injury free), his average will jump up big time. Look at KK, Laird, Birchall, etc. Mostly kicking, r50s, i50s... It's SC gold.
Gov on the other hand will be sooo up and down. He'll go missing in matches. Some matches he'll be forced to match up, some matches he'll go forward and kick 0.2 and score 40. He also gets injured every second game.. He'll average 78-84

First of all....you're totally nuts....2nd of all you are right when it comes to Pittard. He is improving and those brain fades are becoming less frequent. He will average in the 90s at some point just not sure when....enjoy the ride!

 

[brentman]

For a draft league, looking for bench cover (not relying on them to perform big from rd 1):

T. McKenzie vs J. Lonergan vs A. Walker vs S. Gilbert vs R. Henderson vs Adcock

 

[Conz9]

houli + gibson > birchall and rance

my two picks are make or break o.0

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Talking about SC mate, not who is a better player.
Pittard will average more than Gov. You can say I told you so if I'm wrong come rd23

I can't see it happening so come round 23 I too will eat humble pie if need be.

 

[RobZombie]

For a draft league, looking for bench cover (not relying on them to perform big from rd 1):

T. McKenzie vs J. Lonergan vs A. Walker vs S. Gilbert vs R. Henderson vs Adcock

Your draft is probably over now, but the correct answer is the player with JS and DPP when you're talking about draft league bench cover. So Gilbert or Lonergan out of that lot.

 

[okeydoke7]

Finished around 1000th last season and am looking to take a risk and change my strategy to jump again this season.

I see defence as a bit of roulette at the moment. Even Laird and Shaw (the common selections) have question marks and there's not a huge ceiling on many players. So I'm considering mid price madness in the hope that A) some become keepers and B) any that don't will be easier to upgrade.

Obviously identifying the likely breakout defenders is essential. As such, I'm considering:

Yeo. Natural improvement, high ceiling, flagged for more midfield time and in a strong side. This may lift his lower weeks and hence his average could become competitive. Underpriced if he plays midfield, which appears likely.

Seedsman. Change of club can be a real positive, entering peak age and will get plenty of opportunity as an outside mid at the crows, which should see him involved a lot more than previously. Underpriced.

Lonergan. Earmarked for inside mid time at the GCS, which is supercoach gold. Yet again, injuries have hit the Suns and so many of their midfielders are out. There's a query on the injury and his scoring potential but if he plays good minutes as an inside mid that could be big points for a defender.

T. Mckenzie. A lot of people laugh this one off but Mckenzie was showing signs of being supercoach relevant in 2014 before a poor season in 2015. Being used off half back and trusted with the kick outs, Mckenzie should get more of the ball. Kicks more than hand balling and has great efficiency, had a solid NAB.

So basically, talk me out of it... why can't they work? Are there better options?

This enables me to stack my midfield, the complete opposite of my usual strategy. At this stage I have: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Hannerbery, Dangerfield, Libba and Mills as my starting mids.

 

[Hawkboy62]

Scores of 118, 119, 128, 146 last year prove that hey can score when he is on.
He runs hard into space to get the ball and can win his own. Best thing is his goal sense and contested marking. Think he averaged more contested marks than Gov and maybe even JK last year.

Can't deny his scoring power when he is on. Puts in a few real shockers - 5 disposals in the GF, (admittedly include a very good contested mark and a super goal.)
Not Robinson Crusoe there. Had Pittard in the wrong part of the cycle - either circling on the outside of the pack or getting run down or kicking to the opposition. Exciting when he is on song but ......

 

[Krujan]

Finished around 1000th last season and am looking to take a risk and change my strategy to jump again this season.

I see defence as a bit of roulette at the moment. Even Laird and Shaw (the common selections) have question marks and there's not a huge ceiling on many players. So I'm considering mid price madness in the hope that A) some become keepers and B) any that don't will be easier to upgrade.

Obviously identifying the likely breakout defenders is essential. As such, I'm considering:

Yeo. Natural improvement, high ceiling, flagged for more midfield time and in a strong side. This may lift his lower weeks and hence his average could become competitive. Underpriced if he plays midfield, which appears likely.

Seedsman. Change of club can be a real positive, entering peak age and will get plenty of opportunity as an outside mid at the crows, which should see him involved a lot more than previously. Underpriced.

Lonergan. Earmarked for inside mid time at the GCS, which is supercoach gold. Yet again, injuries have hit the Suns and so many of their midfielders are out. There's a query on the injury and his scoring potential but if he plays good minutes as an inside mid that could be big points for a defender.

T. Mckenzie. A lot of people laugh this one off but Mckenzie was showing signs of being supercoach relevant in 2014 before a poor season in 2015. Being used off half back and trusted with the kick outs, Mckenzie should get more of the ball. Kicks more than hand balling and has great efficiency, had a solid NAB.

So basically, talk me out of it... why can't they work? Are there better options?

This enables me to stack my midfield, the complete opposite of my usual strategy. At this stage I have: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Hannerbery, Dangerfield, Libba and Mills as my starting mids.

Yeo & Lonergan out of that lot.

Gov also good value, primed to break-out ala Rance & Tmac last year.

Bartel underpriced. Bargain at 470k

and the forgotten SP Defender, Eski. Has been a 90+ def in every season that he hasn't had injuries and or no pre-season.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Finished around 1000th last season and am looking to take a risk and change my strategy to jump again this season.

I see defence as a bit of roulette at the moment. Even Laird and Shaw (the common selections) have question marks and there's not a huge ceiling on many players. So I'm considering mid price madness in the hope that A) some become keepers and B) any that don't will be easier to upgrade.

Obviously identifying the likely breakout defenders is essential. As such, I'm considering:

Yeo. Natural improvement, high ceiling, flagged for more midfield time and in a strong side. This may lift his lower weeks and hence his average could become competitive. Underpriced if he plays midfield, which appears likely.

Seedsman. Change of club can be a real positive, entering peak age and will get plenty of opportunity as an outside mid at the crows, which should see him involved a lot more than previously. Underpriced.

Lonergan. Earmarked for inside mid time at the GCS, which is supercoach gold. Yet again, injuries have hit the Suns and so many of their midfielders are out. There's a query on the injury and his scoring potential but if he plays good minutes as an inside mid that could be big points for a defender.

T. Mckenzie. A lot of people laugh this one off but Mckenzie was showing signs of being supercoach relevant in 2014 before a poor season in 2015. Being used off half back and trusted with the kick outs, Mckenzie should get more of the ball. Kicks more than hand balling and has great efficiency, had a solid NAB.

So basically, talk me out of it... why can't they work? Are there better options?

This enables me to stack my midfield, the complete opposite of my usual strategy. At this stage I have: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Hannerbery, Dangerfield, Libba and Mills as my starting mids.

We must be twins - I finished just inside top 1000 last year and I'm trying exact same strategy for the exact same reason. Yeo, Rich, Smith, McKenzie, Weitering are my 1 to 5 at present and I'm hoping for 2 of the first 4 to be keepers. I'm also concerned about scoring potential and job security of Defensive rookies so I don't want a rookie heavy line either - no way will it be like last year with Oxley, McIntosh and co.

Similar mids, Jelwood and B Crouch instead of Hannerbery and Danger. Personally I think 30 trades is enough to try this strategy so long as you don't go sideways happy in the first few weeks.

 

[Hawkboy62]

Finished around 1000th last season and am looking to take a risk and change my strategy to jump again this season.

I see defence as a bit of roulette at the moment. Even Laird and Shaw (the common selections) have question marks and there's not a huge ceiling on many players. So I'm considering mid price madness in the hope that A) some become keepers and B) any that don't will be easier to upgrade.

Obviously identifying the likely breakout defenders is essential. As such, I'm considering:

Yeo. Natural improvement, high ceiling, flagged for more midfield time and in a strong side. This may lift his lower weeks and hence his average could become competitive. Underpriced if he plays midfield, which appears likely.

Seedsman. Change of club can be a real positive, entering peak age and will get plenty of opportunity as an outside mid at the crows, which should see him involved a lot more than previously. Underpriced.

Lonergan. Earmarked for inside mid time at the GCS, which is supercoach gold. Yet again, injuries have hit the Suns and so many of their midfielders are out. There's a query on the injury and his scoring potential but if he plays good minutes as an inside mid that could be big points for a defender.

T. Mckenzie. A lot of people laugh this one off but Mckenzie was showing signs of being supercoach relevant in 2014 before a poor season in 2015. Being used off half back and trusted with the kick outs, Mckenzie should get more of the ball. Kicks more than hand balling and has great efficiency, had a solid NAB.

So basically, talk me out of it... why can't they work? Are there better options?

This enables me to stack my midfield, the complete opposite of my usual strategy. At this stage I have: Fyfe, Ablett, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Hannerbery, Dangerfield, Libba and Mills as my starting mids.

4 of them seems a lot, but who knows. McKenzie may have JS issues, so riskiest. You may have to burn trades and the mid price range is awkward to upgrade unless you are generating lots of cash. Sometimes you get stuck with multiple middling scores just hoping. With lfewer rookies there is less chance for quantum gains.
Heath Shaw is pricey for a reason, just churns out high scores every week. Laird a more limited cheaper version. I must admit I like mid pricers more than I should, but I'm only a second yearer.

 

[SSSSSS]

Yeo & Lonergan out of that lot.

Gov also good value, primed to break-out ala Rance & Tmac last year.

Bartel underpriced. Bargain at 470k

and the forgotten SP Defender, Eski. Has been a 90+ def in every season that he hasn't had injuries and or no pre-season.

Worried about his head. Taken more knocks then anyone else that I can think of off the top of my head the past couple of years. Surely it's got to take a toll.

Copped one in the last NAB too.

 

[Gribnoor]

Yeo & Lonergan out of that lot.

Gov also good value, primed to break-out ala Rance & Tmac last year.

Bartel underpriced. Bargain at 470k

and the forgotten SP Defender, Eski. Has been a 90+ def in every season that he hasn't had injuries and or no pre-season.

Hmm, hadnt previously really considered McKenzie - I didnt realise he averaged 88.4 in 2013 and 80.2 in 2014. Big dip last year... why was that? Also, he has serious attitude problems from what I've heard?

 

[Krujan]

Worried about his head. Taken more knocks then anyone else that I can think of off the top of my head the past couple of years. Surely it's got to take a toll.

Copped one in the last NAB too.

Same here, but he should go up in price to 500-550k so if he does cop another head knock at some point, it will be a single sideways trade to the best/most expensive that you don't already have.

 

[catstragic]

Hmm, hadnt previously really considered McKenzie - I didnt realise he averaged 88.4 in 2013 and 80.2 in 2014. Big dip last year... why was that? Also, he has serious attitude problems from what I've heard?

Any player who drops their average like that without injury issues must have a pretty serious attitude problem.
That's good because it means if his attitude improves his scoring could improve dramatically.
Its bad because it relies on a football player having an epiphany, and that's just a low percentage play.

 

[catstragic]

Worried about his head. Taken more knocks then anyone else that I can think of off the top of my head the past couple of years. Surely it's got to take a toll.

Copped one in the last NAB too.

He had two last year, one this year. Three in 12 months is pretty bad... If he had one more big one he should get a line through him for the season. There more to life than football.

That said,he hasn't been concussion prone prior to last season-I'd love to know how many times Jelwood has been concussed.

 

[SSSSSS]

He had two last year, one this year. Three in 12 months is pretty bad... If he had one more big one he should get a line through him for the season. There more to life than football.

That said,he hasn't been concussion prone prior to last season-I'd love to know how many times Jelwood has been concussed.

Well the two Geelong games I've been to he received a concussion (Whitecross and Ray) so maybe I've cursed him.

Don't worry Jelwood pickers. I can't attend round 1

 

[Krujan]

He had two last year, one this year. Three in 12 months is pretty bad... If he had one more big one he should get a line through him for the season. There more to life than football.

That said,he hasn't been concussion prone prior to last season-I'd love to know how many times Jelwood has been concussed.

So how long have you been a Geelong supporter? Extract from 2011 article below. I remember that incident when Pods accidentally knocked him out. Also, he wore a helmet with he played TAC Cup for the Geelong Falcons, so he must have copped a few head injuries as a Jnr as well.


Brain scans puts Jimmy Bartel's season in limbo
Herald Sun
June 22, 2011 12:00AM



GEELONG has sent champion midfielder Jimmy Bartel to a brain specialist following his second serious concussion of the season.

Bartel was knocked out in a pre-season game and again on Saturday night against St Kilda.

The Cats are anxiously awaiting the results of yesterday's scans before making a decision on the Brownlow medallist's immediate playing future.

Bartel, who who was cleaned up by teammate James Podsiadly, was badly affected hours after the game and had no memory of his team's victory.

"He's had a number of concussions through his career, so we need to be really diligent and make sure that if he does play he is absolutely right."

Bartel wrote about being knocked out during the pre-season in his Sunday Herald Sun column in March.

"I went back for a mark, had my legs flicked out from underneath me and my head bounced on the ground," Bartel said.

 

[brentman]

Your draft is probably over now, but the correct answer is the player with JS and DPP when you're talking about draft league bench cover. So Gilbert or Lonergan out of that lot.

Only 8 teams in our draft, DPP doesnt really mean to much in a league that small. Wouldnt want Lonergan to be my midfield cover as I would definitely have access to a higher averaging midfielder through free agency