List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Gollo]

I'm keen for the Bulldogs Phantom, happy if we sort out the teams we draft for now but agree that we should wait for the order to be finalised before we draft.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

Stephenson has answered the questions I had over him. Still an interesting looking kick but he has elite speed and endurance, has developed a lot over the year as a midfielder and had a very good all stars game. Still dangerous as always around goal. I also like Daniels more than Miers, especially for the sake of having a mosquito fleet that includes Daniel and Daniels.

 

[Gollo]

Stephenson has answered the questions I had over him. Still an interesting looking kick but he has elite speed and endurance, has developed a lot over the year as a midfielder and had a very good all stars game. Still dangerous as always around goal. I also like Daniels more than Miers, especially for the sake of having a mosquito fleet that includes Daniel and Daniels.

Daniels isn't a natural crumbing forward, not really like Miers in that respect. He has some excellent athletic traits but isn't really the energetic, goalkicking small we need. Daniels is as much a midfielder as he is a forward, but too small for us to play as a midfielder.

Agree regarding Stephenson, the issue is that as he's responded to the queries around his game, he's pushed himself up to a near-certain top 5 selection, out of our reach.

 

[Dav1d]

I'm keen for the Bulldogs Phantom, happy if we sort out the teams we draft for now but agree that we should wait for the order to be finalised before we draft.

Yeah, wonder if we should include the rookie draft as well

 

[Wizard17]

 

[Wizard17]

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Aiden!

 

[Gollo]

Miers' endurance has been massively surprising for me. Not only did I not previously know of any elite fitness capabilities of him, but it's very rare that you find genuine small forwards with that kind of staying power. Especially ones with the turn of pace and acceleration he shows on the field. Would be disappointed if we passed on him at 26 and he didn't last until 39 - really good fit for the club.

 

[Wizard17]

Miers' endurance has been massively surprising for me. Not only did I not previously know of any elite fitness capabilities of him, but it's very rare that you find genuine small forwards with that kind of staying power. Especially ones with the turn of pace and acceleration he shows on the field. Would be disappointed if we passed on him at 26 and he didn't last until 39 - really good fit for the club.

Gryan Miers - Geelong - 15.05

Beep from testing earlier in the year.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

I wonder how Rayner went in the 2K today

 

[Dav1d]

I wonder how Rayner went in the 2K today

Maybe he's still finishing

 

[LittleG]

Maybe he's still finishing

Harsh!!!

But maybe fair. [emoji854]

 

[Dav1d]

Can forget any chance of Stephenson been there at 9 VD

Very interesting to see Nathan Murphy there.

Wonder how Bonar went in the endurance testing

 

[Wizard17]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-06/combine-wrap-who-boosted-their-draft-stocks

FOR ANOTHER year the NAB AFL Draft Combine is over, meaning there is nothing left to show for prospects wanting to find their way to an AFL club at next month's draft.

It was a new-look combine structure this year, with the 'beep test', 3km time trial, repeat sprints test and clean hands test all gone from the regular format. The Yo-Yo running test replaced the beep, and the time trial was cut down to 2km to better reflect what AFL clubs do in their pre-seasons.

But what does it all mean? AFL.com.au has answered some of the most important questions to come out of the four days at Etihad Stadium and how it might impact who goes where when names are called at the draft in Sydney on November 24.

Who boosted their stocks?
Andrew Brayshaw, the brother of Demon Angus, came into the combine on the back of a terrific end to the season for the Sandringham Dragons, and continued his rise with a strong set of testing results. He proved his endurance by taking out the Yo-Yo test and came fourth in the 2km time trial, while he was also among the top-10 in the agility and highlighted his sure skills by being among the best in the goalkicking test. He's a star and looks a top-10 pick.

Aiden Bonar was one of the stars of the week, equaling the all-time standing vertical jump record and also coming second in the 20-metre sprint with a time of 2.9 seconds. Clubs were pleased to see him out there given his knee injury history and he proved his power and athleticism.

Bonar feared he would never get back from knee recos

Of some guys likely to feature later in the draft, Ben Miller's results will see clubs go back and have a look at his game. The West Australian key position prospect was equal winner of the agility test and ran 2.91 seconds in the sprint, while he also kicked a perfect score in the goalkicking. He arrived as a likely later pick or rookie, but that movement for a 196cm prospect is hard to find.

Ben Paton's speed, Brent Daniels' mix of agility, endurance and pace, Alex Martini's aerobic base, Tom McCartin's raw running and jumping, and Kane Farrell's leap and agility also made those prospects, who are likely to feature a touch later in draft proceedings, stand out.

Top prospect kicks perfect score at Combine

Who sat things out?
Plenty. The list of players unable to participate in any testing was long and included some higher profile names. Cam Rayner (knee), Paddy Dow (shoulder), Adam Cerra (shoulder), Luke Davies-Uniacke (toe/calf), Charlie Constable (hip) and Darcy Fogarty (knee) were among the likely first-rounders who couldn't test due to injury issues.

Talls Callum Coleman-Jones (knee), Tom De Koning (lacerated kidney) and Brayden Crossley (ankle) couldn't test, while Andrew McPherson (hamstring), Tom North (foot), Brandan Starcevich (quad), Charlie Spargo (shoulder) and mature-ager Tim Kelly (knee) were also forced to watch on from the stands. Lachie Fogarty, meanwhile, missed the whole week with illness.

There were others who found injury issues throughout the combine that prevented them from completing all testing. Hunter Clark had a knee problem, Patrick Naish dealt with a back spasm, Hugh Dixon had some hamstring tightness flare up and Harrison Petty sprained his ankle during the kicking tests and was ruled out for the rest of the week.

Brayden Ainsworth (hamstring), Oscar Allen (shin), Noah Balta (knee), Toby Wooller (ankle) and Ryley Stoddart (hamstring) also had injury complaints that stopped them from doing everything.

Toby Wooller was unable to complete every test. Picture: AFL Photos

How significant are the results at combine week?
It's case by case with this one. For some players it is important to test well, but that might be more for prospects who fit in later in the piece. For instance, Nick Shipley did his draft chances no harm with good results in the speed and endurance tests, so will further his chances.

For someone like Nathan Murphy, who hasn't been through much testing due to his cricket background, it was also important for clubs to see him in the screening and to see how he went, which included an impressive 6:21 minutes in the 2km time trial. But his is a rare case, because most of the data on players is already known by now.

That's not to say it doesn't matter. Clubs will have followed and tracked testing results from the start of the year and perhaps challenged prospects to improve in certain areas, so the combine gave them a chance to see whether they had done that or not. That's where clubs might have been hoping to see a better 2km time trial from ruckman Sam Hayes, who is the best big man in the draft but needs to lift his aerobic base.

Sam Hayes is an intriguing prospect. Picture: AFL Photos

Did the combine help shape the No.1 decision?
Not at all. The players most considered to be in the mix for that pick – Rayner, Davies-Uniacke, Cerra and Dow – all didn't participate due to injury, so the Lions (should they keep the top selection), wouldn't have learned much extra about their options this week.

The Lions have been strong on their desire to add midfielders to their list via this year's draft and trade period, so will that sway them more towards Davies-Uniacke, Dow – or even Brayshaw – ahead of Rayner, who at this stage is seen more as a half-forward to can play in the midfield than the other way around?

That will have to come into their considerations. But Rayner's ability to impact a game wherever he's playing, his power and explosiveness, and his dangerous presence around goals makes him a unique and very appealing option.

He, Dow and Davies-Uniacke are seen as the most likely contenders at this point, with Davies-Uniacke's finals performances for the Dandenong Stingrays at TAC Cup level reminding all of his serious talent as a big, strong and versatile midfielder.

Who is rising up the board?
Brayshaw has been the one, but his rise can't go much further. He now sits comfortably among the better midfielders in the draft pool and seems a likely early choice. Ed Richards didn't blow anyone away with his testing but his end to the season should see him ranked highly, while Gryan Miers could also sneak into the top-30 after what was a very good season as a small and creative forward.

Jordan Houlahan had a good combine in showing his leap, but he also finished the season well in South Australia and has some excited by his potential up forward. Matt Ling also could have pushed himself into the first 25 players picked after doing some nice things through the finals, while Bonar's testing and flashes late in the season might see a club grab him early on draft night.

 

[Wizard17]

So 24 players either missed the combine with injury or parts of it...

 

[Dav1d]

So 24 players either missed the combine with injury or parts of it...

Damn Etihad is to blame

 

[Pugz89]

Lacerated kidney wouldn't be ideal, poor guy.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Brayshaw has well and truly cemented himself top 10. Wouldn't surprise me if he pushes top 5. Very solid pick.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Brayshaw has well and truly cemented himself top 10. Wouldn't surprise me if he pushes top 5. Very solid pick.

Yeah I don't think we'll get him now which I'm not too disappointed about. His end to the season and testing has been too good. Saints seem pretty desperate to get some A grade quality mids into the team, so I would be a bit surprised if they passed on him with their two picks.

 

[Wizard17]

Assuming that we pick 11 from Essendon and Melbourne get Lever in a trade involving pick 10.

Bris 1 - Luke Davies-Uniacke
GC 2 - Cameron Rayner
Carl 3 - Paddy Dow
NM 4 - Adam Cerra
Freo 5 - Jaidyn Stephenson
Col 6 - Jarrod Brander
StK 7 - Andrew Brayshaw
StK 8 - Nick Coffield
WB 9 - Charlie Constable
Adel 10 - Aaron Naughton
WB 11 - Oscar Allen

Think Constable is probably the best pick we can make there if it falls like that. Some Josh Kennedy/Patrick Cripps about him and that is what our small midfield needs.

Hard to pick the dogs pick at 11. Can throw a blanket over a lot of players there. Think Allen with Stringer leaving would be the best fit.

At the later pick I'd be looking at players like McCartin/Dixon/Miller/De Koning for KPF depth. All have a few bits and pieces as late picks would but if they can put it all together we win big time.

 

[Dav1d]

Assuming that we pick 11 from Essendon and Melbourne get Lever in a trade involving pick 10.

Bris 1 - Luke Davies-Uniacke
GC 2 - Cameron Rayner
Carl 3 - Paddy Dow
NM 4 - Adam Cerra
Freo 5 - Jaidyn Stephenson
Col 6 - Jarrod Brander
StK 7 - Andrew Brayshaw
StK 8 - Nick Coffield
WB 9 - Charlie Constable
Adel 10 - Aaron Naughton
WB 11 - Oscar Allen

Think Constable is probably the best pick we can make there if it falls like that. Some Josh Kennedy/Patrick Cripps about him and that is what our small midfield needs.

Hard to pick the dogs pick at 11. Can throw a blanket over a lot of players there. Think Allen with Stringer leaving would be the best fit.

At the later pick I'd be looking at players like McCartin/Dixon/Miller/De Koning for KPF depth. All have a few bits and pieces as late picks would but if they can put it all together we win big time.

Any rumours on the draft threads about Collingwood having interest in Brander and likewise St Kilda with Coffield?

I always wanted Allen to be the player that replaced Crameri to play alongside Stringer, so I would definitely be happy with Allen at 11.

Think I will be pretty deflated if we miss out that close on Coffield, almost prefer he is gone at 4, 5 or 6.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Any rumours on the draft threads about Collingwood having interest in Brander and likewise St Kilda with Coffield?

I always wanted Allen to be the player that replaced Crameri to play alongside Stringer, so I would definitely be happy with Allen at 11.

Think I will be pretty deflated if we miss out that close on Coffield, almost prefer he is gone at 4, 5 or 6.

Collingwood the team linked to Coffield the most from what I've seen.

 

[Dav1d]

Collingwood the team linked to Coffield the most from what I've seen.

Thanks.

Getting the feeling that Brander might be there at pick 11 if Adelaide don't look at him, not much love for him in the draft threads & watching his games in full, he can go missing for quite a while. Still prefer Allen over him though, but he is my next preference after Coffield.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Assuming that we pick 11 from Essendon and Melbourne get Lever in a trade involving pick 10.

Bris 1 - Luke Davies-Uniacke
GC 2 - Cameron Rayner
Carl 3 - Paddy Dow
NM 4 - Adam Cerra
Freo 5 - Jaidyn Stephenson
Col 6 - Jarrod Brander
StK 7 - Andrew Brayshaw
StK 8 - Nick Coffield
WB 9 - Charlie Constable
Adel 10 - Aaron Naughton
WB 11 - Oscar Allen

Think Constable is probably the best pick we can make there if it falls like that. Some Josh Kennedy/Patrick Cripps about him and that is what our small midfield needs.

Hard to pick the dogs pick at 11. Can throw a blanket over a lot of players there. Think Allen with Stringer leaving would be the best fit.

At the later pick I'd be looking at players like McCartin/Dixon/Miller/De Koning for KPF depth. All have a few bits and pieces as late picks would but if they can put it all together we win big time.

I'd be very disappointed with that, I'm not a big fan of either Constable and Allen. I don't see elite player in them, so no way would I be happy with that. I'd prefer to take a risk on someone more talented like a Bonar to be honest. He's someone that would give our midfield a very different look given his size and power at stoppages. He's also quite a penetrating kick, another thing we don't have a lot of.

The thing that I'd like to ask you is this... I've seen a lot of people talk up Dunkley as a Cripps/Kennedy type, do we really need a player like Constable who you described as exactly this?

 

[Dav1d]

I'd be very disappointed with that, I'm not a big fan of either Constable and Allen. I don't see elite player in them, so no way would I be happy with that. I'd prefer to take a risk on someone more talented like a Bonar to be honest. He's someone that would give our midfield a very different look given his size and power at stoppages. He's also quite a penetrating kick, another thing we don't have a lot of.

The thing that I'd like to ask you is this... I've seen a lot of people talk up Dunkley as a Cripps/Kennedy type, do we really need a player like Constable who you described as exactly this?

If we do get 11 and Bonar is our risky option

Do we take a safer option with the other pick?

Wizard pointed that out before, huge IF

Coffield at our first & Bonar at 11. I would walk away from the draft extremely happy from just those two picks.

Expecting a Starcevich/Houlahan if we end up retaining our second round pick. But would love to snag us either Bailey or Miers.