List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Dry Rot]

How tall is Bonar? Is he a KPF?

 

[Dav1d]

How tall is Bonar? Is he a KPF?

190cm+ and no, a tall forward that has shown promising glimpses of his talent. A good kick, massive body for his age and very fast. Very good at putting on pressure acts and can take a mark.

 

[Dogsman16]

If Brander is available at 9/11 then I think we are in a great position to take him. Coffield also would be the dream with one of those picks but i fear hes not there.

Would anybody goes Hayes at 11?

 

[Wizard17]

I'd be very disappointed with that, I'm not a big fan of either Constable and Allen. I don't see elite player in them, so no way would I be happy with that. I'd prefer to take a risk on someone more talented like a Bonar to be honest. He's someone that would give our midfield a very different look given his size and power at stoppages. He's also quite a penetrating kick, another thing we don't have a lot of.

The thing that I'd like to ask you is this... I've seen a lot of people talk up Dunkley as a Cripps/Kennedy type, do we really need a player like Constable who you described as exactly this?

The problem with Dunkley (and our only other big mid aside Bont, Jong) is that they are both quite badly injury prone. We need more bigger bodies around the ball, we lack depth in bigger inside mids.

I also see more of a chance with Constable making the grade than others that are left at that stage if that is how it fell and I don't see any really elite players after the first 5 or so with maybe the exception of Coffield IF he can become a midfielder.

As I said before pick 11 is hard to pick. You can weight up the pros and cons of each player around that mark and not separate any of them until about pick 20.

Bonar is an absolutely huge risk, we have a bad recent history of ACLs and he has barely played a game in 2 years.

Allen makes sense if we lose Stringer because he gives us a target around the ground who can take multiple marks and kick goals. He may only be a second or third forward but he is a very natural forward.

If that is how it fell it would really be out of these guys after 9:

Clark (same deal as CC but smaller)
Constable (versatile, tall, wins a lot of footy, ceiling?)
Allen (overhead marking, goal kicking, leadership, ground level?)
Hayes (versatile, can play KPF, big ceiling, endurance?)
Higgins (has a lot of everything, height & size?)
Bonar (tall, wins the footy, plays forward, athletic, large ceiling ,ACLs?, lack of games to see him?)
Richards (fast, classy, long kick, plays mid or def, consistency? )
Naughton (KPD, intercept marker, leadership, reading of play, skills?, our newfound depth?)
Balta (KPP, Athletic, high ceiling/very low floor, long kick, footy smarts?, consistency?)
Bailey - (linebreaker, skilled on both feet, ball winner, hurt factor, size?, too early?)

How tall is Bonar? Is he a KPF?

Midfielder 190cm

 

[Wizard17]

If Brander is available at 9/11 then I think we are in a great position to take him. Coffield also would be the dream with one of those picks but i fear hes not there.

Would anybody goes Hayes at 11?

Brander giving me serious Jaksch vibes. He has really yet to have a really outstanding game in my opinion and that is dangerous when looking at a KPP that early. I can easily see him flopping and flopping hard.

Hayes is a possibility but after taking English do we go there again?

 

[Dav1d]

The problem with Dunkley (and our only other big mid aside Bont, Jong) is that they are both quite badly injury prone. We need more bigger bodies around the ball, we lack depth in bigger inside mids.

I also see more of a chance with Constable making the grade than others that are left at that stage if that is how it fell and I don't see any really elite players after the first 5 or so with maybe the exception of Coffield IF he can become a midfielder.

As I said before pick 11 is hard to pick. You can weight up the pros and cons of each player around that mark and not separate any of them until about pick 20.

Bonar is an absolutely huge risk, we have a bad recent history of ACLs and he has barely played a game in 2 years.

Allen makes sense if we lose Stringer because he gives us a target around the ground who can take multiple marks and kick goals. He may only be a second or third forward but he is a very natural forward.

If that is how it fell it would really be out of these guys after 9:

Clark (same deal as CC but smaller)
Constable (versatile, tall, wins a lot of footy, ceiling?)
Allen (overhead marking, goal kicking, leadership, ground level?)
Hayes (versatile, can play KPF, big ceiling, endurance?)
Higgins (has a lot of everything, height & size?)
Bonar (tall, wins the footy, plays forward, athletic, large ceiling ,ACLs?, lack of games to see him?)
Richards (fast, classy, long kick, plays mid or def, consistency? )
Naughton (KPD, intercept marker, leadership, reading of play, skills?, our newfound depth?)
Balta (KPP, Athletic, high ceiling/very low floor, long kick, footy smarts?, consistency?)
Bailey - (linebreaker, skilled on both feet, ball winner, hurt factor, size?, too early?)


Midfielder 190cm

Know how Bonar went at school level? A lot could depend on that and how he's performed there over the past two seasons.

I have an idea of doing a versus series like the AFL site used to do with players. With just a few players. Weigh up their pros and cons, best games and worst games (where they weren't injured).

Also, are we doing the poll this season?

 

[Dav1d]

Would anybody goes Hayes at 11?

With our team, no way. He is too passive in the way he plays. Personally I rate Crossley higher but he is 197cm and obviously tied to the Suns academy.

 

[Dry Rot]

Brander giving me serious Jaksch vibes. He has really yet to have a really outstanding game in my opinion and that is dangerous when looking at a KPP that early. I can easily see him flopping and flopping hard.

Hayes is a possibility but after taking English do we go there again?

If you had a gun a to your head and had to pick ONE of Brander OR Balta, who would you pick?

 

[goodcop badcop]

If we do get 11 and Bonar is our risky option

Do we take a safer option with the other pick?

Wizard pointed that out before, huge IF

Coffield at our first & Bonar at 11. I would walk away from the draft extremely happy from just those two picks.

Expecting a Starcevich/Houlahan if we end up retaining our second round pick. But would love to snag us either Bailey or Miers.

It could be possible that we do take a safer pick in this year's draft, I'm not buying that we will though. Dalrymple generally goes the riskier route in the first round. I know Wizard was saying we took Stringer, and then a safer pick in Macrae, but I'm not sure Macrae was really that safe and that's coming from someone that really wanted him at the time. There was question marks on his kicking penetration, size and his endurance. Looking back at his combine results he tested in at 76kg, got a 12.1 beep and was only average in the 3km time trial. And his contested ball whilst not too bad, wasn't anywhere near what it was today as well. I know I'm probably I'm probably making him sound bad, but I think they were pretty fair question marks on him. Wines was the much safer bet and Brendan McCartney was a big fan apparently.

I think we just generally go for guys with high upside in the first round (obviously there's other factors that come into it as well). Bont, Macrae, Stringer and Howard had high upside. There's very strong rumours Dalrymple wanted Hayden Crozier over Smith, but was over ruled by Brendan McCartney who wanted inside mids. Crozier had high upside. If Pan's inside info is right we wanted Peter Wright and Nakia Cockatoo if the Boyd deal fell through as well and they both had reasonably high upside too.

So if the theory I have is right the guys around our pick that I think have good upside are Brander, Bonar, Murphy, Richards, Balta, Naughton, Coffield, Hayes and O'Brien. I think even Fogarty is one due to his knee injury as well. Have I missed one? I'd probably cross Balta out due to his footy smarts an O'Brien due to his poor contested work though.

On Houlahan or Miers I don't have a huge love for either, but I can see why we would go for them early given we really are desperate for forwards. I would prefer to take them at 39. I guess it depends on what's available.

Zac Bailey would be a really good get for us.

I don't mind Starcevich, but a bit uncertain due to the fact I haven't seen a lot of him. What do you like about him? Has he been able to play in other positions well?

The problem with Dunkley (and our only other big mid aside Bont, Jong) is that they are both quite badly injury prone. We need more bigger bodies around the ball, we lack depth in bigger inside mids.

I also see more of a chance with Constable making the grade than others that are left at that stage if that is how it fell and I don't see any really elite players after the first 5 or so with maybe the exception of Coffield IF he can become a midfielder.

As I said before pick 11 is hard to pick. You can weight up the pros and cons of each player around that mark and not separate any of them until about pick 20.

Bonar is an absolutely huge risk, we have a bad recent history of ACLs and he has barely played a game in 2 years.

Allen makes sense if we lose Stringer because he gives us a target around the ground who can take multiple marks and kick goals. He may only be a second or third forward but he is a very natural forward.

If that is how it fell it would really be out of these guys after 9:

Clark (same deal as CC but smaller)
Constable (versatile, tall, wins a lot of footy, ceiling?)
Allen (overhead marking, goal kicking, leadership, ground level?)
Hayes (versatile, can play KPF, big ceiling, endurance?)
Higgins (has a lot of everything, height & size?)
Bonar (tall, wins the footy, plays forward, athletic, large ceiling ,ACLs?, lack of games to see him?)
Richards (fast, classy, long kick, plays mid or def, consistency? )
Naughton (KPD, intercept marker, leadership, reading of play, skills?, our newfound depth?)
Balta (KPP, Athletic, high ceiling/very low floor, long kick, footy smarts?, consistency?)
Bailey - (linebreaker, skilled on both feet, ball winner, hurt factor, size?, too early?)


Midfielder 190cm

I appreciate the detailed explanation because I'm finding it difficult to understand. You're right in saying that if we do rate him as the best talent and there's no other rated on the same level as him then we should take him. Fair enough, I can't fault your logic. I guess we just see it a bit differently, you're being a bit harsh on the draft in my opinion.

I can see potentially about 13-14 players becoming elite which is not a huge amount compared to other drafts. The top end talent is quite poor really, I don't totally disagree. So what do you think of the depth in this year's draft?

I noticed you don't have D Fogarty in that mix of players at all, do you just not rate him? What's your major knock/s on him? Or did you just forget him lol.

 

[Gollo]

I'd be very disappointed with that, I'm not a big fan of either Constable and Allen. I don't see elite player in them, so no way would I be happy with that. I'd prefer to take a risk on someone more talented like a Bonar to be honest. He's someone that would give our midfield a very different look given his size and power at stoppages. He's also quite a penetrating kick, another thing we don't have a lot of.

The thing that I'd like to ask you is this... I've seen a lot of people talk up Dunkley as a Cripps/Kennedy type, do we really need a player like Constable who you described as exactly this?

Constable isn't quite suited to the Cripps/Kennedy comparison. To me, his contested ball-winning is up there with that comparison, but he has the kicking precision and versatility which sets him apart. His contested ability is slightly less dominant than Dunkley and Cripps but his security down back or up forward is a plus on his side.

 

[Gollo]

Assuming that we pick 11 from Essendon and Melbourne get Lever in a trade involving pick 10.

Bris 1 - Luke Davies-Uniacke
GC 2 - Cameron Rayner
Carl 3 - Paddy Dow
NM 4 - Adam Cerra
Freo 5 - Jaidyn Stephenson
Col 6 - Jarrod Brander
StK 7 - Andrew Brayshaw
StK 8 - Nick Coffield
WB 9 - Charlie Constable
Adel 10 - Aaron Naughton
WB 11 - Oscar Allen

Think Constable is probably the best pick we can make there if it falls like that. Some Josh Kennedy/Patrick Cripps about him and that is what our small midfield needs.

Hard to pick the dogs pick at 11. Can throw a blanket over a lot of players there. Think Allen with Stringer leaving would be the best fit.

At the later pick I'd be looking at players like McCartin/Dixon/Miller/De Koning for KPF depth. All have a few bits and pieces as late picks would but if they can put it all together we win big time.

I agree than Constable would be the best pick in that situation, but I would adjust that board. Think Stephenson is all but locked for North at 4, he trained with them through the year and they need high production/impact outside types. Fremantle are keen on Hayes and are strongly considering him for pick 5, meaning Collingwood will have to toss up a few selections. Wouldn't be surprised to see a club take a punt on Fogarty in the top 8 too, can see St Kilda biting. If Hayes does go at 5 and Brander and Fogarty don't slip out of the top 8 we will have some very nice prospects available at 9 and 11, too.

 

[Wizard17]

Knew I forgot somone. Fogarty is another possibility however I have heard he is as slow as treacle and that is not exactly what we need.

O'Brien is way too outside. Unless you are Scott Clayton forget about taking him in the first round.

Constable isn't quite suited to the Cripps/Kennedy comparison. To me, his contested ball-winning is up there with that comparison, but he has the kicking precision and versatility which sets him apart. His contested ability is slightly less dominant than Dunkley and Cripps but his security down back or up forward is a plus on his side.

It is hard to give him a real good comparison. The versatility is something I really like and I imagine that Bev would love. I think if he is still there at one of our picks we will be interested.

 

[Gollo]

190cm+ and no, a tall forward that has shown promising glimpses of his talent. A good kick, massive body for his age and very fast. Very good at putting on pressure acts and can take a mark.

I prefer Bonar as a midfielder. Showed good contested ball-winning ability at the All-Stars and with his massive frame and athleticism he could be really damaging. If we did end up taking him I'd be expecting we would try to increase his capacity to win the ball like with Bontempelli to prepare him for a permanent move to the midfield.

 

[Gollo]

Knew I forgot somone. Fogarty is another possibility however I have heard he is as slow as treacle and that is not exactly what we need.

O'Brien is way too outside. Unless you are Scott Clayton forget about taking him in the first round.

It is hard to give him a real good comparison. The versatility is something I really like and I imagine that Bev would love. I think if he is still there at one of our picks we will be interested.

Assuming you're talking about Darcy Fogarty, in which case I was not for a second suggesting we take him. Massive bust potential in my opinion, but I feel like St Kilda will be willing to take a punt on him. Agree with O'Brien - he's a second round talent at best, his lack of inside ability puts a big cap on his ceiling. Also, think that Matt Ling is going to slide big time. Poor end to the season, regardless of what AFL.com.au says, combined with testing 3.03s for his 20m sprint will raise queries among clubs.

 

[Dav1d]

They've been slack with the U18 news this year in comparison to the previous years

 

[Dav1d]

 

[Struggle]

Burst speed from a contest and a long kick? I'm sold.
What's his expected range?

 

[Dav1d]

Burst speed from a contest and a long kick? I'm sold.
What's his expected range?

Second round onwards, but could sneak into that first round. Won't be expecting him there at our third round selection.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Second round onwards, but could sneak into that first round. Won't be expecting him there at our third round selection.

He's the dream at pick 26 but reckon he'll be gone by then.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Constable isn't quite suited to the Cripps/Kennedy comparison. To me, his contested ball-winning is up there with that comparison, but he has the kicking precision and versatility which sets him apart. His contested ability is slightly less dominant than Dunkley and Cripps but his security down back or up forward is a plus on his side.

I've watched him live a few times now and I don't really notice him much until I start looking out for him. I don't think he's as physically imposing as a Cripps, Kennedy and even Bont that really make him standout at the contest. I guess that's why I don't really see elite player in him.

It will be interesting to see where he goes because there's quite a lot of different opinions on him. Some have him top 5, while others don't even have him in their top 20.

Knew I forgot somone. Fogarty is another possibility however I have heard he is as slow as treacle and that is not exactly what we need.

O'Brien is way too outside. Unless you are Scott Clayton forget about taking him in the first round.

It is hard to give him a real good comparison. The versatility is something I really like and I imagine that Bev would love. I think if he is still there at one of our picks we will be interested.

I think D Fogarty moves okay speed wise, no slower then Constable IMO. His 20m sprint time of 3.03 earlier in the year is around the average of most draft combines. Plus he has good lateral movement.

His beep test of 12.10 is the more concerning thing.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Assuming that we pick 11 from Essendon and Melbourne get Lever in a trade involving pick 10.

Bris 1 - Luke Davies-Uniacke
GC 2 - Cameron Rayner
Carl 3 - Paddy Dow
NM 4 - Adam Cerra
Freo 5 - Jaidyn Stephenson
Col 6 - Jarrod Brander
StK 7 - Andrew Brayshaw
StK 8 - Nick Coffield
WB 9 - Charlie Constable
Adel 10 - Aaron Naughton
WB 11 - Oscar Allen

Think Constable is probably the best pick we can make there if it falls like that. Some Josh Kennedy/Patrick Cripps about him and that is what our small midfield needs.

Hard to pick the dogs pick at 11. Can throw a blanket over a lot of players there. Think Allen with Stringer leaving would be the best fit.

At the later pick I'd be looking at players like McCartin/Dixon/Miller/De Koning for KPF depth. All have a few bits and pieces as late picks would but if they can put it all together we win big time.

I don't see Brander going that high, and I'd be disappointed with Constable. I'd rather Clark, Murphy or Bonar. Here's mine:

Brisbane - Luke Davies-Uniacke
Gold Coast - Andrew Brayshaw
Carlton - Cameron Rayner
North Melbourne - Jaidyn Stephenson
Fremantle - Paddy Dow
Collingwood - Nick Coffield
St Kilda - Adam Cerra
St Kilda - Aiden Bonar
WB - Hunter Clark
Adelaide - Jack Higgins
WB - Nathan Murphy

I'd be happy with Allen at 11 though. I also suspect Brisbane get pick 2 for Rockliff.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

If Brander is available at 9/11 then I think we are in a great position to take him. Coffield also would be the dream with one of those picks but i fear hes not there.

Would anybody goes Hayes at 11?

I'd stay far away from Hayes. We've got English as a developing high talent ruck, and he's not a good enough KPF to take at 11.

 

[Bazza28]

I don't see Brander going that high, and I'd be disappointed with Constable. I'd rather Clark, Murphy or Bonar. Here's mine:

Brisbane - Luke Davies-Uniacke
Gold Coast - Andrew Brayshaw
Carlton - Cameron Rayner
North Melbourne - Jaidyn Stephenson
Fremantle - Paddy Dow
Collingwood - Nick Coffield
St Kilda - Adam Cerra
St Kilda - Aiden Bonar
WB - Hunter Clark
Adelaide - Jack Higgins
WB - Nathan Murphy

I'd be happy with Allen at 11 though. I also suspect Brisbane get pick 2 for Rockliff.

Pick two surely at his age it's an end of first round composition pick ?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Pick two surely at his age it's an end of first round composition pick ?

There's an idea that Brisbane take Lobbe off Port so Port get rid of his salary, and in turn pay Rockliff enough to get Brisbane band 1 compensation. Put that together with the fact that the AFL would like Brisbane to get a high compo pick and I see it as a good chance to happen.

 

[Bazza28]

There's an idea that Brisbane that Lobbe off Port so Port get rid of his salary, and in turn pay Rockliff enough to get Brisbane band 1 compensation. Put that together with the fact that the AFL would like Brisbane to get a high compo pick and I see it as a good chance to happen.

Wow pick 2 for Rockliff and pick 18 for Buddy it just doesn't make sense. Think the Afl should just scrap the compensation.