It seems some people are more interested in shooting from the hip than having a meaningful discussion about the development of Australian Football. People continue to ignore the large-scale developments in the RSA, PNG and NZ. There are significant youth and adult competitions in the RSA that would not exist without Footywild's existance. The PNG is undergoing significant growth within their community framework plus new schools programs. NZ has a multi-level approach with Kiwi-kick, exhibition games, development officers and a national competition. Let's be clear here. That is done with money. It's organic growth for most of the rest of the world. But even modest investment can leverage great results. The introduction of AFL Europe, AFL Pacific and AFL Asia has added organisational skills that have indirectly boosted local numbers. It seems more competition drives more interest. There is a lot to mention in the development of Australian Football so much so that most people are totally unaware of new developments like India that could be potentially explosive. Much is made of the various Auskick style programs around the world invariably centreing on numbers and legitimacy. It's unfortunate that we don't have the breakdown on participation figures because Auskick numbers are extremely important. If we had breakdown figures that it would be a lot easier to access conversion rates into other competitions. Again it's false to assume that "conversion" is a set percentage. IMO the next phase in organic growth will centre around junior development based on some highly successful models. Some programs are only held back by the lack of game instructors. The latest approach is to teach the teachers. IMO this could be the most effective use of modest investment. Maybe when people get their heads around these developments we can move onto the one development instrument that I've never seen discussed w.r.t. Australian Football discussion.