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I was keen for McAdam but we can't have everything and fixing the midfield was our priority. I thought we leveraged those PP's well. If we feel we need a small forward and/or a Ruck to top off our list they will be easy to get once we are ready. I see those types as the final prices in the puzzle.

Getting Setterfield Walsh Stocker McGovern BSOS Newman Goddard Finbar Gibbons Cottrell Fasolo was as good as I could have hoped for in just one trade/draft period. We always want more but IMO that was great result.

I remember many saying last year that players will not want to come to us after such a bad year. Imagine what could happen at the end of this season ;)
Look at good sides with great midfields. They find easy to get inside 50. The scoring happens eventually. We just need to pick an inside 50 group that works. I think we will expose a few gems during the year inside 50 just like Collingwood did. Arguably Stephenson isn’t a forward. Brody mihocek from the vfl didn’t reslly stand out in the lower levels. Will Hoskin Elliott has shown glimpses about as much as Cuningham has on our list. Once the game plan starts to work itself out and players start getting their hands on the ball the forward line will show up a lot of sides. Not just in the tall department which already can do that on an individual level. Our backline will look like AA quality across the board once the midfield starts putting more pressure on around the ball. Hence why I agree with you about sorting the midfield first. Which we’ve done.
 
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No doubt, however I was replying to the fact you said the Shiel miss was no big deal … of which I concur mate. Was merely saying Kelly v Shiel was a no brainer :)

The other bonus is if we had got Shiel we probably couldn't have chased Kelly anyway. Would have spent our money and picks. All positives IMO
 
Kreuzer, Lobbe and Phillips are all rucks who aren’t good at sharing. None of them are great forwards. Harry seems like a decent forward who’s big enough to ruck... here’s an ideas, why don’t we just let him relieve MK/ML/AP when they’re on the bench?
A possible reason to my mind is that we want Harry at Full forward..a very difficult high concentration role. Its a lot to ask of a young chap to do two things and excel. Hard enough doing one.
 

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A possible reason to my mind is that we want Harry at Full forward..a very difficult high concentration role. Its a lot to ask of a young chap to do two things and excel. Hard enough doing one.

Eventually we could have McKay & TDK up forward with them having quick bursts on the ball. That would be good
 
I'm not sure how well the combination of McGovern, Curnow and McKay will work for us. I think it limits the development of Kerr and De Koning and limits some tactics we could use like playing 2 ruckman (Kreuzer and Lobbe or Phillips) or playing a taller mid up forward like Setterfield, Cripps or JSOS.

Not at all and one shouldn't be so concerned about the development of some players, if they're afforded premium opportunity at the next level.

That's why I don't want Casboult playing forward, because he'll likely take the best back-man in the NB's and push either Kerr or TDK into side fixtures.....and what about when one of Lobbe or Phillips has to spend time forward also? Unbalanced.

Don't want to see Kerr go into the back-line either. Makes no sense at all. Clear the space and develop the players where you want them to play
 
Training the house down
Hardest preseason I have ever done
Training with the midfield group
I've done "most" of the sessions

There's alot of similarities every preseason with the rhetoric. Best to proceed with caution on the pre season hype and be realistic of expectations.
I think supporters are realistic this year and don't think Carlton can place better than 14th but could be bottom 3 if cursed by injuries. The midfield will have to be carried by 2nd and 3rd year players and is awfully thin should cripps be unavailable
 
Not at all and one shouldn't be so concerned about the development of some players, if they're afforded premium opportunity at the next level.

That's why I don't want Casboult playing forward, because he'll likely take the best back-man in the NB's and push either Kerr or TDK into side fixtures.....and what about when one of Lobbe or Phillips has to spend time forward also? Unbalanced.

Don't want to see Kerr go into the back-line either. Makes no sense at all. Clear the space and develop the players where you want them to play

Balancing our talls in the 2's will be interesting.

Defence we could have Collins Goddard Macreadie BSOS
Forwards Kerr TDK Casboult Finbar maybe Jack
Rucks Lobbe & Phillips
 
I'd be interested to know how much we pushed to try and get Luke Dahlhaus into the navy blue.
 
Look at good sides with great midfields. They find easy to get inside 50. The scoring happens eventually. We just need to pick an inside 50 group that works. I think we will expose a few gems during the year inside 50 just like Collingwood did. Arguably Stephenson isn’t a forward. Brody mihocek from the vfl didn’t reslly stand out in the lower levels. Will bodkin Elliott has shown glimpses about as much as Cuningham has on our list. Once the game plan starts to work itself out and players start getting their hands on the ball the forward line will show up a lot of sides. Not just in the tall department which already can do that on an individual level. Our backline will look like AA quality across the board once the midfield starts putting more pressure on around the ball. Hence why I agree with you about sorting the midfield first. Which we’ve done.
Will Bodkin Elliott. Thanks for the chuckle.
 
Balancing our talls in the 2's will be interesting.

Defence we could have Collins Goddard Macreadie BSOS
Forwards Kerr TDK Casboult Finbar maybe Jack
Rucks Lobbe & Phillips

Interesting and maybe just a little unfortunate.
We certainly in a better position though than last year having potentially carried Rowe, ASilvagni, JGM and O'Shea in the back half, along with Macreadie and a 190cm Schumacher. I saw all those talls together in a NB match early in the season.....it didn't look, nor fare well.
Too many of anything can be a curse. Too few of something else also doesn't augur well for having two balanced squads on the park, in the same week.

It will be interesting but first.....let's get as many players on the park we can. :)
 

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Hypothetically, what would have happened if the McGovern deal had have fell through, and we kept our draft picks and access to a State League Player, which we traded.

Of course we traded two 2nd rounders to the Swans to get a first rounder, which was part of the deal. If that deal didn't happen in order to secure McGovern, we had picks 26 and 28...which would have slid down a few rungs in the ND as clubs access academy players etc early in the draft.

We had 4 picks in the ND, so with trades etc, it ended up being:

Mitch McGovern (trade)
Will Setterfield (trade)
Nic Newman (trade)
Fas (FA)
Sam Walsh (ND)
Liam Stocker (ND)
Finbar (? - ND)
BSOS (For/Def - ND)

Without the trade, it may have looked like a bit like this:

Will Setterfield (trade)
Nic Newman (trade)
Fas (FA)
Shane McAdam (State League)
Sam Walsh (ND)
Liam Stocker (ND)
Luke Valente (mid - ND)
Bailey Williams (ruck - ND)

Just interesting to speculate how our list profile may have looked without the trade.
I think if that was our hand we would have taken Williams and given the Valente pick to Adelaide, trading down in the Stocker trade.

That would have given us pick 44 and a future third (maybe with some future pick swaps).
 
A player I'll keep an eye on this year is Darcy Parish. Is out of contract at the end of the season.

With the addition of Shiel and McGrath to spend more time in the midfield, Parish could fall out of favour.

Watch this space for mine.

Would be in the right age bracket to make an impact for us next year.

May only need a second round pick to secure him too.

Would be a good replacement for Murphy.
 
Moody you are just rehashing the same old inaccurate, surface analytics. You continue to state the here and now, yet float back 9 years regarding Levi. Pointless blaming him, your angst should be directed to past recruiters, who ignored KPP talent. Levi is nothing more than depth now

You focus on the "2 game season" yet ignore the facts as to why, injuries. The 2 years previous, we won 7 and 6 games, yet you are surprised with people predicting 6-8 wins. If Bolton could extract those numbers in 2016-17, with a less talented/committed group, I have no doubt he can coach. Wondering if the Crows should sack Pyke for missing the finals and being spanked by the Demons by 91 points

Rather than focus on what a player can't do in the early stages of their careers, try assessing them with some facts against their cohorts

Weitering - While there have been moments where you could question his commitment, his stats for a 4th year KPD stack up strongly against similar positioned players over the last decade. As a 4th year players his output is in the top half dozen

SPS - Has never been able to undertake a full preseason and has suffered from thigh and hamstring concerns dating back to his final year of juniors

SOS - While he is not quick (like many other players), he has shown that he has a strong footy IQ and this year has trimmed down further, increased his running capacity that will hopefully will allow him to contribute in other areas. Not a bad selection deep into the 3rd round

Kennedy - You are so far off the mark, but your agenda will be your downfall

Pickett - Not going to get an argument from me, but players can turn their careers around. I agree, that unless he shows the commitment required, he will be gone

Fasolo - Was a cheap buy, let's wait till the end of the season to determine the merits of giving him a lifeline

Murphy is not the future of the club, so any form and or leadership he shows from here on end is a bonus

Jones - You bemoan the lack of player development at our club, yet in 2017 he played some great football. Perhaps his demise in 2018 may have something to do with an extraordinarily high injury list, having to use 18 different players in the back half

Now, unless you have something new, I going to finish my homemade gnocchi and chicken spezzatino :moustache::p

Mmmmmmmm chicken spezzatino 🤤🤤
 
A player I'll keep an eye on this year is Darcy Parish. Is out of contract at the end of the season.

With the addition of Shiel and McGrath to spend more time in the midfield, Parish could fall out of favour.

Watch this space for mine.

Would be in the right age bracket to make an impact for us next year.

May only need a second round pick to secure him too.

Would be a good replacement for Murphy.

Bombers would be Cray Cray to let him go

Surely about to hit his straps
 
Cuningham's best opportunity to grow as a player is to keep developing on field as a defensive forward. Slowly he'll work his way into stoppage play, at which point he can become a wing option.

Even if that never happens, he's still super dangerous off the flank.
 
A player I'll keep an eye on this year is Darcy Parish. Is out of contract at the end of the season.

With the addition of Shiel and McGrath to spend more time in the midfield, Parish could fall out of favour.

Watch this space for mine.

Would be in the right age bracket to make an impact for us next year.

May only need a second round pick to secure him too.

Would be a good replacement for Murphy.
Second rounder for Parish o_O?

It would be like the Bombers saying if the Blues have a lot of talls they could probably get Weitering for a second rounder.

Unless the bombers are still jabbing, snowflakes chance.
 

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Second rounder for Parish o_O?

It would be like the Bombers saying if the Blues have a lot of talls they could probably get Weitering for a second rounder.

Unless the bombers are still jabbing, snowflakes chance.

What if Parish gets pushed out of their starting 22 and predominantly plays VFL.

Happened for parts of 2018.
 
What if Parish gets pushed out of their starting 22 and predominantly plays VFL.

Happened for parts of 2018.
Played 15 games in the ones and only played vfl coming back from injury. It's so unlikely this scenario, if we treat it as plausible we may as well look at every U22 in the comp and say they're worth a 2nd rounder if they get pushed out of the starting team.
 
I'm not sure how well the combination of McGovern, Curnow and McKay will work for us. I think it limits the development of Kerr and De Koning and limits some tactics we could use like playing 2 ruckman (Kreuzer and Lobbe or Phillips) or playing a taller mid up forward like Setterfield, Cripps or JSOS.

Lucky all 3 are very mobile and can be expected to move up to the wings often
 
Stuff it. Lets trade our first round selection for Jack Martin.

What's he worth from a picks perspective given he's out of contract?
 
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