Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[murphster]

Before the gws game Carlton were ranked second for number of f50 crumbs collected. No idea now, but its an interesting stat.

Another interesting and astonishing one I saw was that we are the most accurate team from snap shots on goal so far this year.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

I think Gibbons is starting to provide that, he is ranked top 10 for pressure in the forward 50 in the AFL and is now starting to add goals to that as well as he becomes a little less selfless and more confident that he belongs. Don’t underestimate what Gibbo can become.

We need gibbons running ability as much as anything right now. stocker, setterfield and even dow are probably at least another preseason away from being solid 4 quarter contributors and until they all get there i think gibbons is comfortably in our best 22

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

i'm sure at training he hits targets like they're going out of fashion. he needs to work on executing his skills under pressure and fatigue, but not sure a stint in the VFL is ideal for that.

But overall i think he's tracking very nicely, he's the least of our concerns.

I strongly believe Dow needs to stop worrying about hitting targets and just go full Fyfe/Dangerfield. Just grab the ball, run 15m and boot the shit out of it. The other two champions of the game do not have good disposal but just force the ball forward with brute strength, I'm happy if Dow does the same and gets it in long to Harry.

 

[murphster]

murphster please use the multi-quote function!

Will try and give it a go Jeremias, sorry.

 

[murphster]

I strongly believe Dow needs to stop worrying about hitting targets and just go full Fyfe/Dangerfield. Just grab the ball, run 15m and boot the **** out of it. The other two champions of the game do not have good disposal but just force the ball forward with brute strength, I'm happy if Dow does the same and gets it in long to Harry.

Agree that Danger tends to do this due to his lack of foot skills but strongly disagree on Fyfe as I think his kicking is ver good.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Just think Trengove can offer us more in leadership and experience which is what we are crying out for in the midfield, Foote while at 23 has longevity but to me it’s just adding to the inexperience that is already causing problems, we need that 25-27 older age group imo as our cupboard is almost bare.

Trengrove's body is cooked. He's not at the level anymore.

 

[murphster]

Trengrove's body is cooked. He's not at the level anymore.

Have you looked at his numbers that I put a link up for cause they say different, he’s still only 27 same as Scully who everyone thought was cooked last year as well, really think he has his best footy ahead of him yet as he has missed so much footy. I’ll put up the link again take a look Eiffel and let me know what you think. I just hVe a gut feeling he could be the one we need after missing Rocky, Shiel, Neale etc.

https://sanfl.com.au/league/clubs/port-adelaide/280608?league=sanfl&season=2019

Take a squiz.
PS I think Russell could get him back to his best and keep him playing for a fairly lengthy amount of time, maybe another 4-5 years.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Have you looked at his numbers that I put a link up for cause they say different, he’s still only 27 same as Scully who everyone thought was cooked last year as well, really think he has his best footy ahead of him yet as he has missed so much footy. I’ll put up the link again take a look Eiffel and let me know what you think. I just hVe a gut feeling he could be the one we need after missing Rocky, Shiel, Neale etc.

https://sanfl.com.au/league/clubs/port-adelaide/280608?league=sanfl&season=2019

Take a squiz.

He's too slow, there's a proven reason he's not getting a game.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

We need gibbons running ability as much as anything right now. stocker, setterfield and even dow are probably at least another preseason away from being solid 4 quarter contributors and until they all get there i think gibbons is comfortably in our best 22

I just had a rant on the preview thread basically saying the same thing.
We need Gibbo in the midfield at the moment to create the pressure contest after contest, which is one of his strengths....and has great running capacity.
I'm getting sick of seeing him being wasted up forward when our young midfield is getting the crappers beaten out of them. Same goes with Ed.

 

[murphster]

He's too slow, there's a proven reason he's not getting a game.

The reason is because they have Wines, Powell-Pepper, Boak, Grey etc as big bodied inside mids has nothing to do with speed. Plus speed isn’t necessarily what we need it is someone that can get 6-8 clearances and 12-16 contested possessions and 5-6+ tackles to fill the glaring gap between Cripps and the rest in those areas.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Have you looked at his numbers that I put a link up for cause they say different, he’s still only 27 same as Scully who everyone thought was cooked last year as well, really think he has his best footy ahead of him yet as he has missed so much footy. I’ll put up the link again take a look Eiffel and let me know what you think. I just hVe a gut feeling he could be the one we need after missing Rocky, Shiel, Neale etc.

https://sanfl.com.au/league/clubs/port-adelaide/280608?league=sanfl&season=2019

Take a squiz.
PS I think Russell could get him back to his best and keep him playing for a fairly lengthy amount of time, maybe another 4-5 years.

All about the eye test.

As an example, Nick Graham had the ability to rack up massive numbers in the VFL but was unable to replicate his game at AFL level.

It's more about what his body will allow him to do. The fact that he's not getting a game at Port tells you all you need to know.

 

[Eiffel 65]

The reason is because they have Wines, Powell-Pepper, Boak, Grey etc as big bodied inside mids has nothing to do with speed. Plus speed isn’t necessarily what we need it is someone that can get 6-8 clearances and 12-16 contested possessions and 5-6+ tackles to fill the glaring gap between Cripps and the rest in those areas.

The logic of that statement sounds correct but I don't think that's the full reason why he's not getting a game.

Also, I think we need as much speed as we can get, especially with all the talls we've got in our lineup.

 

[murphster]

All about the eye test.

As an example, Nick Graham had the ability to rack up massive numbers in the VFL but was unable to replicate his game at AFL level.

It's more about what his body will allow him to do. The fact that he's not getting a game at Port tells you all you need to know.

Cmon Eiffel, Graham really, he never got anywhere near those numbers and look at the number of big bodied inside mids Port have.

 

[murphster]

The logic of that statement sounds correct but I don't think that's the full reason why he's not getting a game.

Also, I think we need as much speed as we can get, especially with all the talls we've got in our lineup.

We have the speed on the outside the problem is we are having to use them on the inside thereby curtailing there speed, with Trengove in there with Cripps it frees up the Fishers, SPS, Dow, Cunners etc to play more outside where they belong at the moment. It’s a low cost, low risk, high reward addition.
Edit: Rockliff is another keeping him out but if his numbers stay as high as they are I won’t be surprised if he gets a game.

PS He had 21 disposals against us last year playing across half back in his first game back.

 

[zepender]

I'd confidently predict that there are players getting a game now who will not get one when we hit our straps.

I have no real thoughts on Holman or Gowers, not worried about history beyond last year. But what I do think is that (and this is not with the wisdom of retrospect, I said it during trade week) we should not have de-listed Kerridge and Lamb.

We told everyone that we were looking to increase our numbers of mature, bigger bodied players, a fact that was also recognised by the AFL in granting us free hits at experienced players from the feeder comps.

Both Kerridge and Lamb were contributing in AFL which is far more than can be said of Goddard, for instance, who wasn't and was de-listed by a team who were no better than us. Both these players would be very handy at the moment and, whilst I can't say that they would be, I'd say IMO they should be getting a game now if they were still on the list.

Pretty sure our average age hasn't increased this year (allowing for the fact that every existing player is a year older) and I'm also pretty sure that we have less mature, bigger bodied players than we had last year.

We seem to be running to an internal rule that we must average around 14 list changes per year, I've not seen the AFL rule that says we must.

I reckon what it comes down to at the moment for the staff/list management is: are the three "worst" players of our 22 going to contribute to wins now or down the track. i.e. the Mullets and O'Sheas can take up spots in your 22, but are they going to contribute to the overall development of the team. Better off getting games into O'Brien and Polson? Well, that I can't say with as much certainty, but that's the tradeoff. I think Kerridge and Lamb should have been kept personally; Kerridge played 10 and Lamb 18 last year. Did they contribute to us winning much? Probably not, but I think they were at or above the level of some of the others getting a game this year.

 

[zepender]

I'm not writing him off yet. Just want to see him fit and have a good run at it. I've seen him play some very good football before

I reckon there's still something there with Lang. In both wins last year, he kicked 2...had a combined 2 from the rest of the season.

 

[zepender]

Looks good doesn’t it and don’t forget Silvagni, he delivers a bit of everything.

If JSOS can play at the level he is now then I'm happy with things. He is a jack of all trades (pardon the pun), and I think offers a lot. Was really dangerous in the Pies game. Can offer a chop in the midfield. Offers tackling presence in 50. Happy for him to contribute.

 

[Eiffel 65]

We have the speed on the outside the problem is we are having to use them on the inside thereby curtailing there speed, with Trengove in there with Cripps it frees up the Fishers, SPS, Dow, Cunners etc to play more outside where they belong at the moment. It’s a low cost, low risk, high reward addition.
Edit: Rockliff is another keeping him out but if his numbers stay as high as they are I won’t be surprised if he gets a game.

PS He had 21 disposals against us last year playing across half back in his first game back.

I'd rather give Matt Kennedy an opportunity and see what he can produce.

We also have Ed Curnow, who Bolts for one reason or another seems to refuse to use in the centre.

Trust me when I say this, Trengove would only be used in our VFL side.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Unbelievable potential TDK, has so many exciting attributes could seriously be one of the best big men in the comp as a finished product, let’s just hope he doesn’t have anymore setbacks, definitely needs to work hard on his ruck craft but other than that wowee.

I reckon TDK in time would do amazing things to our systems.

 

[zepender]

I'd rather give Matt Kennedy an opportunity and see what he can produce.

We also have Ed Curnow, who Bolts for one reason or another seems to refuse to use in the centre.

Trust me when I say this, Trengove would only be used in our VFL side.

Genuinely don't understand the Ed thing. Thought I seemed to see a little bit more of him on-ball in the Pies game, but was there, so difficult to really tell rotations.

 

[murphster]

I'd rather give Matt Kennedy an opportunity and see what he can produce.

We also have Ed Curnow, who Bolts for one reason or another seems to refuse to use in the centre.

Trust me when I say this, Trengove would only be used in our VFL side.

Neither are the extra top line mid we need that can produce the numbers we need right now, or in the near future in Kennedy’s case.

Look if we can attract a top line mid through free agency or trade at the end of the year all good but if we fail at doing so again then I believe Trengove is well worth a crack as he costs us nothing.

 

[CopyCat]

Neither are the extra top line mid we need that can produce the numbers we need right now, or in the near future in Kennedy’s case.

Look if we can attract a top line mid through free agency or trade at the end of the year all good but if we fail at doing so again then I believe Trengove is well worth a crack as he costs us nothing.

I dont think our midfield needs another big bodied slow midfielder. When we get thrashed, its because we dont have enough run in the middle, and adding Trengrove will just worsen our speed.

I think we should stick with Kennedy, he's just been seriously unlucky with injuries, or just the MC not selecting him. Currently, he could produce more than Setterfield so i dont know why he isnt getting a game. Long term Setters might be better.

 

[Opine]

The club's recent video with Pickett was great. As well than getting to learn about his family background, his appearance reinforced a sense of belonging; as a supporter I was wrapt to see/hear him talk about his recovery. Hope it continues to go well, and hoping the club sticks with him in 2020 and beyond.

 

[therubbernub]

It's a catch-22 though, they won't want to come to us if we keep getting belted. The top 3 in particular will have multiple clubs chasing them.

We NEED to get some wins on the board from here to entice mature players to join us, similar to Brisbane last year which helped them get Neale. Neale said in an interview he thought Brisbane were capable of top 8 this year before he joined. We need players looking at us in a similar light...maybe not top 8 but at least not down the bottom getting smashed.

Mark my words we will have a couple of Big scalps before seasons end. But before we get too excited, we will also have some massive dissappointments. I am thinking we can roll the cats.....

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

That’s a different era when Jack was in his fourth year.

He won the Coleman medal, the era is irrelevant as he was a star of the game in his fourth year.
Curnow is in the same mould as him and this group,
Cameron had and AA In his second year, Buddy had kicked over 100 goals, Roughead had kicked mid 70’s, Tex had kicked 63 in 19 games, Darling kicked 50 in his second season, Stringer was an AA and kicked 56 in his third season. Already guns not potentially guns.
Beanpoles like Harry in Kennedy, BB, Daniher, Lynch seem to take a year longer. probably the only two good big power forwards are Hawkins and Dixon and they took a little longer too.
They are all the best forwards i can think of in the comp. If we are talking elite I’d say Curnow is behind where he should be atm though he has been injured this season and McKay is tracking exactly where you would think he would be. No better or worse. MM turns 25 this year so is miles behind (injuries have played a big part) but if he was elite you would be expecting him to win those close games we have had for us not playing minor roles. Cuningham I’m loving but has done nothing yet really so it’s more hope than anything, going forward he looks to be one of our most important players if he can come on.