2025 - AFL Draft Pick 38

[lalorGOAT]

Harry Scott worth a shout?

 

[mrposhman]

Harry Scott worth a shout?

I'm a fan of Scott, but I reckon he's more a rookie shot.

 

[tigs2010]

The way it currently sits, a bid by us on Addinsal at 34 would mean that the Suns wouldn't be able to match a subsequent bid on Marray at 35

They'll add points from 15 and/or 18.

The deficit thing is now interesting as its taken as the premier's picks but they dont have an F1 but can they still get the benefit of a deficit. Surely not.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

It's been interesting listening to Yze, Hartley and Gieschen regarding the aims for this draft, from Yze saying that we addressed a lot of areas of need in the last draft, Ry mentioning pace and Hartley saying that we'll go for BPA with our top picks.

Blair has also repeated many times that he's building a list of premiership players, so character and competitiveness would rate highly in his profiling of draftees along with talent of course. It's obvious that he has a blueprint of the type of players needed and the positions that need to be filled and as stated, a lot of those needs have been met. He's continued down that path already this year by targeting Rosas who would have provided a bit more zip around stoppages and have an impact forward, so it wouldn't surprise me of pick 34 (after bids) was used on that type. I'm not sure who has that skillset that might be available around that pick but it will be an area that's looked at I'm sure.

Two integral parts of the jigsaw of players that made up part of the dynasty picture were the wingers, KMac and Brandon Ellis, both had flaws but there's no denying that they were an important part of the structure. The Retschko trade is a clear sign that we're wanting to fill those wing spots and again, I'm sure that we'll be looking to address that need with the best player available at pick 34, to me that would be Matt Leray (if he lasts that long) he's only had 1 preseason in a football environment after captaining the SA U19 cricket side but choosing football instead, sound familiar?

Have a read of his draft profile from Rookie Me..........

Matthew LeRay Draft Profile

Central District utility Matthew LeRay is a versatile prospect with considerable upside after trading cricket for football.

central.rookieme.com

How do you pronounce his name, if it sounds like Youplait, then it's a big no to the yoghurt.

 

[mrposhman]

They'll add points from 15 and/or 18.

The deficit thing is now interesting as its taken as the premier's picks but they dont have an F1 but can they still get the benefit of a deficit. Surely not.

Unless they've changed it, the deficit comes off in the same round in a future year so wouldn't come off their 1st anyway. It would come off their 2nd which they still have.

 

[tigs2010]

Unless they've changed it, the deficit comes off in the same round in a future year so wouldn't come off their 1st anyway. It would come off their 2nd which they still have.

There's meant to be a maximum deficit based on having pick 18, 36, 54 (ie 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks of the premier) its about 1100 points. But they dont have an F1 so they should lose the pick 18 points. They have 2 seconds so should have 35 & 36.

Uwland & Patterson will wipe out most if not all 2025 points. An earlyish bid on Addinsall would wipe out the 2nd rounders next year leaving Murray & Coulson open pool.

If they get there stock standard 1100 points for pick 18, 36 & 54 then they'll be able to work out a match for all of them. Someone will trade 2025 points for Melbourne's F2 but they shouldn't be getting 1st round points to use for deficit purposes.

 

[nugget_12]

I feel like unless there’s a slider that the club had high on their board that we will do what we did a couple years ago and use it to slide back while gathering 2026 picks until we know that Kellaway can be either rookied or bid on really late.

I can see us sliding. Back to the 40’s and take a player then while banking 2 future 2nds and then grabbing a player and leaving 81 or whatever that comes into for Kellaway as a late pick or Rookie spot.

 

[jthanos]

It’s so hard to know… who’ll be available? This is kind of in order but would need a bit more in depth study to really decide but I’m also doubtful half these players slide.


Jai Murray - GC academy HBF/mid, haven’t watched him enough but I’ve heard him described as moving like Murphy Reid

Lindsay - HBF with good kicking skills

Barker - very athletic wing maybe slides

Thredgold - very athletic KPD

Kickett - lightening quick sf who likes the physical stuff, still finishing his time trial though.

Greek Freak - basketball come ruck, looked decent at ranges all year and nullified cdt. Is genuine ruck size unlike Emmett

BOB - quick powerful sa mid, was hoping he’d push into top 10 but does everything well but just needed to find another level

Mikunda - clever medium forward who had a couple of excellent champs games, probably ends up at geelong

R Wright - good left footed HBF, can play midfield, probably a bit flossy like no fuss clever body position type.

Dahlitz- sweet kicking hbf, can absolutely roost the ball

Byrne - small forward who played a little bit of midfield for gwv

Kondog - another long kicking hbf with some toe. Elite pace but watching him not understand the wind in his last game when kicking out the ball was frustrating.

Dalton - lizard man can explain more

Liam heatheton - probably best KPF in futures and academy games but than injured rest of year.

Cal smith - kbs grandson. Good sized mid, early fav of mine but just didn’t find another level at champs and his best games were May/June in CTL. More just the familial connection but can see him taking a Harry Scott route to afl.

Tom Burton - tigs2010 boy. His combine speed was impressive. Just a nice to have accumulator

who is the Greek Freak? Has Yiannis dropped NBA for the AFL ?

 

[tigs2010]

who is the Greek Freak? Has Yiannis dropped NBA for the AFL ?

Krasnadamskis

 

[4tune8]

They'll add points from 15 and/or 18.

The deficit thing is now interesting as its taken as the premier's picks but they dont have an F1 but can they still get the benefit of a deficit. Surely not.

The deficit that they can carry into next year is reliant on the picks that they hold. Currently the Suns have 2 x 2nd rounders and 2 x 3rd rounders which gives them a total of 662pts that they can go into deficit.

Bids at 2 & 4 would see them short by 226pts, leaving 436pts as a buffer. A bid by us at 34 would eat 324pts, leaving a balance of 112pts.

If we bid on Murray at pick 35 the Suns would need to raise an extra 200pts to match and as you said, 15 & 18 would be up for grabs. Someone else also mentioned that they could trade their 2027 F1 into this year.

 

[Yze does it]

I thought the other draft thread is dominated by top 10 player discussion and seeing as it's a real lull point in the offseason why not have a thread focused on our later pick. Mods feel free to delete if you think it's over kill.

Who should we pick?

Should we trade it into 2026?

Do you think it will be used to match a Kellaway bid ?

Who are your favourite players in the pick 30 range of the draft?

so RFC has the min. 3 vacancies coming into the draft...no restriction on how they are used.

2025 start RFC already the youngest ~lost a 30 & 27 & a 25 y.o.

Smilie to debut and Patty R added ~

RFC too young to add 2, 3 more 18yos

trade as much as possible out of this draft.

I'd keep 24yo Sonsie and Dow for the age balance.

 

[Wrenny]

How do you pronounce his name, if it sounds like Youplait, then it's a big no to the yoghurt.

Had a bit of trouble with this myself…
Matt-hew

 

[tigs2010]

The deficit that they can carry into next year is reliant on the picks that they hold. Currently the Suns have 2 x 2nd rounders and 2 x 3rd rounders which gives them a total of 662pts that they can go into deficit.

Bids at 2 & 4 would see them short by 226pts, leaving 436pts as a buffer. A bid by us at 34 would eat 324pts, leaving a balance of 112pts.

If we bid on Murray at pick 35 the Suns would need to raise an extra 200pts to match and as you said, 15 & 18 would be up for grabs. Someone else also mentioned that they could trade their 2027 F1 into this year.

Is that 100%? Wouldn't surprise me if AFL gave them the 1100 just because lol.

We need to bid early on the other 2 if WC dont and not bother bidding on Annable before them.

I think Addinsall goes earlier than our pick, Murray probably as well tbh. Normally these guys slide but looks a legit possibility they can be picked up.

Looking at the picks something like pick 15 & Dees F2 for the Essendon picks could work if Essendon aren't expecting to need many points for their academy guys.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Where would Murray go in an open draft?
I mean there will be clubs out there who won't bid on him because they're after a particular player.
Is 30s a true reflection?

 

[THE_GUN]

I'm a fan of Scott, but I reckon he's more a rookie shot.

Will be taken by West Coast if left to the Rookie draft

Im thinking we trade back from #38 (which will come in 5-6 spots on draft night)
Trade back 10 spots and grab a F2 then select Scott with a later selection

 

[Calcium Man]

who is the Greek Freak? Has Yiannis dropped NBA for the AFL ?

Krasmandankis or however you spell it. Greek freak was just a simpler spelling but he was eastern ranges ruck in 2nd half of season. He’s 202+cm, clean hands, neat skills but long way to go. Still we need a ruck and he’s shown enough.

Where would Murray go in an open draft?
I mean there will be clubs out there who won't bid on him because they're after a particular player.
Is 30s a true reflection?

Jai Murray?

If he played all year I think he might be top 20… but the rumour mill is buzzing that clubs will take him earlier than expected.

 

[Calcium Man]

Will be taken by West Coast if left to the Rookie draft

Im thinking we trade back from #38 (which will come in 5-6 spots on draft night)
Trade back 10 spots and grab a F2 then select Scott with a later selection

Doubt we will getting f2s for slides this year from 34-38 (where ever the pick lands). More like f3s.

 

[mrposhman]

Will be taken by West Coast if left to the Rookie draft

Im thinking we trade back from #38 (which will come in 5-6 spots on draft night)
Trade back 10 spots and grab a F2 then select Scott with a later selection

I don't see anyone trading a F2 into our Pick 38, maybe a F3, there will still be good players at that level.

If we get mids with our 1st 2, Kellaway with a later pick, I'm not sure we need Harry Scott personally. List balance will come into it at some point, and I rate other players over Scott at out current Pick 38 anyway (and I've been a big fan of Harry Scott, even going back into 2024 - there was something about him).

If we draft a VFL player from our VFL setup, reckon it might be more likely to be Johnson.

 

[4tune8]

Is that 100%? Wouldn't surprise me if AFL gave them the 1100 just because lol.

We need to bid early on the other 2 if WC dont and not bother bidding on Annable before them.

I think Addinsall goes earlier than our pick, Murray probably as well tbh. Normally these guys slide but looks a legit possibility they can be picked up.

Looking at the picks something like pick 15 & Dees F2 for the Essendon picks could work if Essendon aren't expecting to need many points for their academy guys.

Reliably informed by briztoon that it is the case.

Yeah the picture changes quite a bit with a bid on Uwland at 1. If that happened then a bid on Patterson at 2 couldn't be matched, Uwland would leave them with 1720pts (including the 662pt deficit) so they would need to raise another 520pts from somewhere just to match. A bid at 3 would still see them 240pts shy and no real ability of getting any of the other 4 Academy players.

Doesn't matter if the Suns trade the Dees F2 into this year as it would be already factored into the points available via the deficit. I think the Suns still have to delist another player to make up spots for their current 8 picks, any more picks gained this year will mean more delistings.

 

[tigs2010]

Reliably informed by briztoon that it is the case.

Yeah the picture changes quite a bit with a bid on Uwland at 1. If that happened then a bid on Patterson at 2 couldn't be matched, Uwland would leave them with 1720pts (including the 662pt deficit) so they would need to raise another 520pts from somewhere just to match. A bid at 3 would still see them 240pts shy and no real ability of getting any of the other 4 Academy players.

Doesn't matter if the Suns trade the Dees F2 into this year as it would be already factored into the points available via the deficit. I think the Suns still have to delist another player to make up spots for their current 8 picks, any more picks gained this year will mean more delistings.

Does it still look favourable if we have to do all the work ourselves if WC go Duursma & CDT?

The benefit of trading the Dees pick will.be the difference between pick 35 & say early 20s.

 

[4tune8]

Does it still look favourable if we have to do all the work ourselves if WC go Duursma & CDT?

The benefit of trading the Dees pick will.be the difference between pick 35 & say early 20s.

If we bid at 3 & 4 then the Suns can match with no deficit and with extra points garnered from trading out 15 & 18 there would be enough to cover bids on most of their other Academy players.

I get what you're saying about the F2 which is currently valued at 36, if Essendon trade out 21, 27 & 30 for 15 and the Dees F2 then that would give an extra 400pts to the Suns

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Jai Murray?

If he played all year I think he might be top 20… but the rumour mill is buzzing that clubs will take him earlier than expected.

Would pick 11 be to early?
As part of a swap with Carl.
So we end up with
4-Cummings
10-Barker
11-Murray(bid)

 

[Calcium Man]

Would pick 11 be to early?
As part of a swap with Carl.
So we end up with
4-Cummings
10-Barker
11-Murray(bid)

only takes one club to love him. But I think late teens/early 20s might be as high as he could go.

I haven’t watched hardly anything from him. So I’m just going by what I’m hearing/reading on this one. Sounds class though.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Sounds class though.

Something we need

 

[sregit]

There's meant to be a maximum deficit based on having pick 18, 36, 54 (ie 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks of the premier) its about 1100 points. But they dont have an F1 so they should lose the pick 18 points. They have 2 seconds so should have 35 & 36.

Uwland & Patterson will wipe out most if not all 2025 points. An earlyish bid on Addinsall would wipe out the 2nd rounders next year leaving Murray & Coulson open pool.

If they get there stock standard 1100 points for pick 18, 36 & 54 then they'll be able to work out a match for all of them. Someone will trade 2025 points for Melbourne's F2 but they shouldn't be getting 1st round points to use for deficit purposes.

You are also forgetting trading is now 2 years in advance.