List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - The Final Countdown

[tigs2010]

Which is the game where he had 20+ and kicked 3 goals ?
Oh you missed that maybe

he is a bloody good player

I didnt say he wasn't. I said he can't kick in general play and will become a whipping boy for it. Won't be a Tiger so wont matter.

I thought I was being kind when I left out his 31% DE game too

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Taranto, Hopper & Prestia copped it all year and it wasn't because they're soft...





I'll have to dig up another to find him hit a target by foot.

As I said has some good attributes, can't kick for shit.

Last thing Richmond need is another player who can't kick.

 

[4tune8]

Not offended at the reply.

All I can say is I see a genuine top 4 (or call it top 5 if we include Duursma). I don't bother about the players linked to other clubs as they are effectively out of the equation. By all means bid on them if it helps eradicate picks further down the line but otherwise they may as well be invisible to me.

I see Robey / Sharp / CDT and Cumming (in no order) as the 4 that we should be targeting, and they do look pretty good (yes, CDT is not an "A grade midfielder" but he looks way better than Taylor. I actually like the look of Grill and I probably put him next on the list, but picking him will be at the expense of someone else and I think that's a mistake.

Happy to be proven wrong but he looks like a pick 8-15 not pick 4 and as I have said previously, I think a player like him can be got in the future when we have "worse" first round picks. If we split pick 4 and can't get Grill, will be happy to get him. But of course the process of splitting gets us another pick somewhere to make it worthwhile.

Oh I fully understand about the fact that the F/S's and Academy players aren't available to us so we have to make our rankings from the players left.

Nonetheless, the simple fact of the matter is that there are, potentially, 5 kids in the country that are rated higher than the picks we hold, then take out the 2 the WCE (inc the compo pick that pushes us back) have dibs on. Effectively dropping our picks down to 7 & 8. Both Hartley and Gieschen are on record, numerous times, saying that this is a highly compromised draft. What do we all think that means? My take is that our picks are compromised, ie; not worth as much as they would be in a less compromised draft.

Take last year as an example, out of the top 10 picks only Levi Ashcroft and Lombard were unavailable, now lets take out the players that were rated around where WCE picks 1 & 2 land plus the 2 GCS players, Annabelle and Dean and see what players would have been available at picks 3 & 4. This isn't about comparing talent, it's about where picks land.

Lalor: WCE pick 1
FOS: WCE pick 2
Jagga: GCS match on Uwlands
Draper: GCS match bid on Patterson
Ashcroft: call that even with Annabelle
Langford: Blues match on Dean
Smillie: Tigers pick 3
Lombard: Tigers pick 4

Now factor in that it's a weaker draft and it's fairly obvious that our picks are compromised, players like Sharp and Cumming who'll (possibly) be available at our picks aren't the cream of the crop, they're the players that are normally around the dreaded pick 6, mids that aren't elite and have knocks on them. Our picks are right on the cusp of those types and very close to the Xavier lindsay, Tauru and Travaglia types of last year.

 

[THE_GUN]

I didnt say he wasn't. I said he can't kick in general play and will become a whipping boy for it. Won't be a Tiger so wont matter.

I thought I was being kind when I left out his 31% DE game too

We shall see

 

[tigs2010]

We shall see

Ive already seen.

 

[THE_GUN]

Ive already seen.

Oh who did we take ?

 

[tigs2010]

Oh who did we take ?

Robey & Taylor

 

[THE_GUN]

Robey & Taylor

Start the welcome thread then

So we can congratulate the new boys

Or is that just a delusion

 

[tigs2010]

Start the welcome thread then

So we can congratulate the new boys

Or is that just a delusion

Last time I started welcome thread weeks in advance it was for Taranto & Hopper.

Careful what you wish for...

 

[Danog]

If you think Grlj will be a whipping boy wait until Cumming keeps passing it to grass. Small Taranto.

Sounds perfect for Essendon.

 

[Karp3_dm]

Please, no Cumming. I can’t go through a few more years of people writing “cumdog” again; it does my head in.

Can’t believe theGUN wants him so bad.. thought he was traumatized

 

[4tune8]

Yes i think apart from you everybody missed that.

Most Butchers dont go top 10 in the draft and he is not as mad as you are making out.
But outside flankers that have issue's about how they play the game and mentally tured before crossing the line could be a bigger issue. Think Tambling 'like' issue's with 100k tiger members yelling soft 'c**k'

Tim Taranto pick 2

From the 2022 draft

Wardlaw pick 4
Tsatas pick 5
Jhye Clark pick 8

Nearly every draft has players in the top 10 that are shit kicks and I CBF'd going further back.

What you will find is that picks 6 & 7 have the highest failure rate of all top 10 picks and that's because teams are picking the worst of the top rated mids, they have flaws that others above them don't, Sharp & Cumming sit right in the middle of pick 6 territory

 

[Thrillhouse!]

Probably already been spoken about. But anyone know what next years top end looks like? Apart from the obvious 2 that one is already fatherson and the other potentially tied too port. Are there any zippy midfield types with speed projected to go high at this stage? Because if eagles take dursma and sharp as an example surely we don’t look past CDT and based on reputation we take robey.

Grjl seems nice and obviously has speed (which we lack) Just hope we ain’t reaching for someone based on leg speed.

 

[THE_GUN]

Tim Taranto pick 2

From the 2022 draft

Wardlaw pick 4
Tsatas pick 5
Jhye Clark pick 8

Nearly every draft has players in the top 10 that are shit kicks and I CBF'd going further back.

What you will find is that picks 6 & 7 have the highest failure rate of all top 10 picks and that's because teams are picking the worst of the top rated mids, they have flaws that others above them don't, Sharp & Cumming sit right in the middle of pick 6 territory

Yep there is a lot of shit kicks drafted in the top 10 and then there are also the players like Cotchin who was also never a great kick that become great players , Cripps and dangerfield also come to mind

I think if the player was a great kick and a big accumulator along with having size and speed , Then he would be #1 in the draft

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Taylor is much much more than just a half back flanker/ back pocket and would absolutely justify a top 5 pick.

He’s more a Josh Weddle type than anything else, and a 2022 re-draft would see Weddle a top 5 pick; and 2022 is also a vastly stronger draft that 2025.

We need to get out of the mindset that we draft a position. We draft a player. One who is good in the air, aggressive on the ground, with good agility and speed. He has attributes that would allow him to play multiple positions and multiple roles at AFL level.

He’s shown a glimpse of midfield potential, although the strength of Eastern was their midfield so didn’t get much an expansive run.

Not ahead of Duursma, CDT or Robey in the open pool. But he’d be close to the next highest talent ahead of Cumming and Sharp in my view.

He’s a similar size to Weddle, one-on-one and intercept marking is similar but he’s not the athlete that Weddle is.
Weddle is a freak athlete, his combine results - 2.93/20m and a 6.03/2km and a 90cm vertical leap. Xav is not in that range.
That endurance/speed combo is very similar to Grljs.

 

[blaisee]

I didnt say he wasn't. I said he can't kick in general play and will become a whipping boy for it. Won't be a Tiger so wont matter.

I thought I was being kind when I left out his 31% DE game too

He is a very dangerfield type player

In all ways , powerful and impactful but he does tend to spray the ball a lot

 

[Wrenny]

Probably already been spoken about. But anyone know what next years top end looks like? Apart from the obvious 2 that one is already fatherson and the other potentially tied too port. Are there any zippy midfield types with speed projected to go high at this stage? Because if eagles take dursma and sharp as an example surely we don’t look past CDT and based on reputation we take robey.

Grjl seems nice and obviously has speed (which we lack) Just hope we ain’t reaching for someone based on leg speed.

The better younger left footed version of Grjl with more midfield craft:

 

[tigs2010]

He is a very dangerfield type player

In all ways , powerful and impactful but he does tend to spray the ball a lot

Dangerfield a way better athlete in terms of speed and agility and obviously the massive size differential.

 

[Karp3_dm]

Dangerfield a way better athlete in terms of speed and agility and obviously the massive size differential.

Richmond 2017 final crowd still got concussion from the amount of balls Danger sprayed that night

 

[SthMelb Tigers]

Yep there is a lot of shit kicks drafted in the top 10 and then there are also the players like Cotchin who was also never a great kick that become great players , Cripps and dangerfield also come to mind

I think if the player was a great kick and a big accumulator along with having size and speed , Then he would be #1 in the draft

I remember Shifter Sheehan calling Cotchin an elite kick on both feet before his draft.

 

[4tune8]

Yep there is a lot of shit kicks drafted in the top 10 and then there are also the players like Cotchin who was also never a great kick that become great players , Cripps and dangerfield also come to mind

I think if the player was a great kick and a big accumulator along with having size and speed , Then he would be #1 in the draft

Well you'd have to agree then that the last thing we'd want to add to our list is a shit kick.

The stand rule basically demands players that have elite disposal by foot, it's the most effective way to scythe through zone defences. That and players with speed that can take advantage of overlap plays now that the 'outside 5' isn't available as a defensive option that helped curb that play.

 

[THE_GUN]

Well you'd have to agree then that the last thing we'd want to add to our list is a shit kick.

The stand rule basically demands players that have elite disposal by foot, it's the most effective way to scythe through zone defences. That and players with speed that can take advantage of overlap plays now that the 'outside 5' isn't available as a defensive option that helped curb that play.

That would then beg the question on who that player is and what else doe he offer apart from kicking skills ?
Do we invest a pick 4 on a player like salem that can kick ? or a player that is being compared to a Heeney
I want the game breaker that goes in hard and wins the ball and can finish

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Can’t believe theGUN wants him so bad.. thought he was traumatized

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[THE_GUN]

Can’t believe theGUN wants him so bad.. thought he was traumatized

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LOl so you still kept the poster om your wall

hope you still have the tissue's

 

[Joey longshadow]

Duursma....Robey...Sharp....CDT...
These are arguably the top 4 in the draft
Now I know the people obsessed with speed will disagree about Sharp ...but the guy couldn't have done any more in the last 2 years to prosecute his case ..
To me he's Dunkley to our team ...and that's fine by me

So ...2 of these guys will be available no matter what west coast do

Pick the two that are left