Autopsy 2025 Rd 16 Blues Consistent ... ly poor

[Blue since 72]

Watch: Five damning moments from Carlton’s night of carnage

On a dirty night for the Blues here are five moments which summed up their stinging 50-point loss to Port Adelaide.

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[Aphrodite]

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[Blue since 72]

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[__Bobcat__]

Who's the boss? Coach or captain?

• Who's allowing the tail to wag the dog?
• Who's allowing these so called "star" players to select themselves even when their out of form?
• Who's allowed this to fester to what it is today?
• Who selected the side for last years EF v Brisbane, basically telling the younger players, I'm selecting a guy who hasn't played all season coming back from an ACL ahead of you, or a small forward and wing man with bung shoulders ahead of you?
• This is the side Voss and co has created over 3 and half years. This culture hasn't just turned up this season.

Agree, Cripps should have made the call himself, but sometimes the coach has to coach instead of be mates with the boys.

The Coach is Brave enough to berate a young player (Binns) in the 3/4 time huddle.

but to shit scared to berate/drop any of the top liners.
He aint no coach. This has festered way to long.

 

[Neese]

I am still disgusted.

 

[Accidental genius]

Voss has shown time and time again he won't make tough calls at the selection table - and clearly has favourites.

Picking Doc for that final last year was senseless.... reeked of desperation.

Ditto picking TDK and having him on the pine....

Than there was Matty K. Voss lost me there.

Instead of Kennedy we should have traded/delisted Doch …he was never coming back at his age and what he’s gone thru -

Doch’s selfishness …he should have done the team thing and hung up the boots

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I think it’s become inevitable. The club has remained firm under pressure in recent years, backing the coaching staff despite mounting scrutiny. They attempted to ease that pressure by moving on injury-prone mid-tier players and, to some extent, using Andrew Russell as a scapegoat. But this year, it’s become glaringly obvious that the problems run deeper - issues with the game plan, a lack of tactical flexibility, poor messaging, and a clear disconnect on-field. Ironically, these are all areas Voss supposedly values most.

There’s no discernible transition game. The current strategy - built around contest and pressure - consistently sees up to 16 players flood back on defensive transition, including small forwards. The moment we win the ball back, we’re left with no structure ahead of the ball, leading to fatigue, poor decision-making, skill errors, and ultimately more injuries. It’s just not sustainable.

In my view (and I’ll admit there may be bias) I don’t think the list itself is the core issue. There’s plenty of talent, but the group looks mentally checked out and clearly isn’t being coached to their strengths, which is showing up in their performances.

If I had one criticism of the list, it’s that we’ve overloaded on inside mids with limited outside run. And because of the game style, Voss keeps rolling out Cripps, Cerra, Hewett, and now Lord in the same 22 …. which only compounds the problem.

 

[Chookaradley]

I think it’s become inevitable. The club has remained firm under pressure in recent years, backing the coaching staff despite mounting scrutiny. They attempted to ease that pressure by moving on injury-prone mid-tier players and, to some extent, using Andrew Russell as a scapegoat. But this year, it’s become glaringly obvious that the problems run deeper - issues with the game plan, a lack of tactical flexibility, poor messaging, and a clear disconnect on-field. Ironically, these are all areas Voss supposedly values most.

There’s no discernible transition game. The current strategy - built around contest and pressure - consistently sees up to 16 players flood back on defensive transition, including small forwards. The moment we win the ball back, we’re left with no structure ahead of the ball, leading to fatigue, poor decision-making, skill errors, and ultimately more injuries. It’s just not sustainable.

In my view (and I’ll admit there may be bias) I don’t think the list itself is the core issue. There’s plenty of talent, but the group looks mentally checked out and clearly isn’t being coached to their strengths, which is showing up in their performances.

If I had one criticism of the list, it’s that we’ve overloaded on inside mids with limited outside run. And because of the game style, Voss keeps rolling out Cripps, Cerra, Hewett, and now Lord in the same 22 …. which only compounds the problem.

Our focus for years was "We have to get help for Cripps". We have loaded up on inside mids and totally ignored run and spread. We are slow, predictable and totally bereft of any flare.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Our focus for years was "We have to get help for Cripps". We have loaded up on inside mids and totally ignored run and spread. We are slow, predictable and totally bereft of any flare.

Agree. It only ever works when those mids are multidimensional and can play multiple roles (like Kennedy as a forward).

I never want to see Cooper Lord on a wing as a way to try and include him in the 22 ever again.

 

[Stamos]

Instead of Kennedy we should have traded/delisted Doch …he was never coming back at his age and what he’s gone thru -

Doch’s selfishness …he should have done the team thing and hung up the boots

Nobody was giving us a good pick for Doch.
And if we had have kept Kennedy, we'd be in the exact same spot, except without a very promising young KPD on the list.

 

[ajb72]

Just glad I chose to go and see Katy Perry instead of this.

 

[Baxter Wolf]

We are beaten before we even step on the green stuff at the Adelaide Oval when we play Port or the Crows

2025
V Port Qtr time score 34 to 3, half time 58 to 9
V Crows Qtr time score 33 to 14, half time 55 to 22

2023 v Crows Qtr time score 51 to 13, half time 65 to 34

2022 v Crows - 8 goals to 3 after half time

2021 v Port - Marc Murphy's 300th and last game - we let them kick 20 goals in a row

The only good win was against Port last year.

It's not personnel, its mindset

Marc Murphy should never have been allowed to play in 2021. With those standards of gifting games to players who are spent, it's no wonder they kicked 20 goals in a row. Seems we're still not learning the lessons

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

I think it’s become inevitable. The club has remained firm under pressure in recent years, backing the coaching staff despite mounting scrutiny. They attempted to ease that pressure by moving on injury-prone mid-tier players and, to some extent, using Andrew Russell as a scapegoat. But this year, it’s become glaringly obvious that the problems run deeper - issues with the game plan, a lack of tactical flexibility, poor messaging, and a clear disconnect on-field. Ironically, these are all areas Voss supposedly values most.

There’s no discernible transition game. The current strategy - built around contest and pressure - consistently sees up to 16 players flood back on defensive transition, including small forwards. The moment we win the ball back, we’re left with no structure ahead of the ball, leading to fatigue, poor decision-making, skill errors, and ultimately more injuries. It’s just not sustainable.

In my view (and I’ll admit there may be bias) I don’t think the list itself is the core issue. There’s plenty of talent, but the group looks mentally checked out and clearly isn’t being coached to their strengths, which is showing up in their performances.

If I had one criticism of the list, it’s that we’ve overloaded on inside mids with limited outside run. And because of the game style, Voss keeps rolling out Cripps, Cerra, Hewett, and now Lord in the same 22 …. which only compounds the problem.

Largely agree.

I think we are more a renovators delight than a complete demolition job.

Retire and upgrade 3-4 vets, balance out the surfeit of slow mids and non factor small forwards. And yeah, probably a new.coach.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Largely agree.

I think we are more a renovators delight than a complete demolition job.

Retire and upgrade 3-4 vets, balance out the surfeit of slow mids and non factor small forwards. And yeah, probably a new.coach.

Agree

Let TDK leave for a Band 1 compensation pick before the Dean bid comes in (or trade the pick for a Bailey/Bergman-type player).

Target Flynn Riley in the draft to develop alongside Hudson O’Keefe as a ruck duo.

 

[ajb72]

Not sure I agree. We just have too many poor users of the football that everything else is just trying to stop a boat from sinking that is full of holes.

If we manage to maintain possession out of defence or win a stoppage mid field or forward it’s inevitable we turn it over. And if by chance we flip three heads in a row and get the ball to one of our forwards, they are just as likely to kick the ball out of bounds as anything else. I just can’t see a positive future until we have some level of skill across the ground.

 

[Opium]

Agree

Let TDK leave for a Band 1 compensation pick before the Dean bid comes in (or trade the pick for a Bailey/Bergman-type player).

Target Flynn Riley in the draft to develop alongside Hudson O’Keefe as a ruck duo.

Hypothetical. What would we get if we offered Weitering up for trade? With Jsos, O'Farrell and Dean coming in add Young for versatility, I think this wouldn't be the worst strategy. We could always pickup a key defender for cover like Philips from the reserves.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Hypothetical. What would we get if we offered Weitering up for trade? With Jsos, O'Farrell and Dean coming in add Young for versatility, I think this wouldn't be the worst strategy. We could always pickup a key defender for cover from the reserves.

Ruthless! I like it.

 

[Stamos]

Not sure I agree. We just have too many poor users of the football that everything else is just trying to stop a boat from sinking that is full of holes.

If we manage to maintain possession out of defence or win a stoppage mid field or forward it’s inevitable we turn it over. And if by chance we flip three heads in a row and get the ball to one of our forwards, they are just as likely to kick the ball out of bounds as anything else. I just can’t see a positive future until we have some level of skill across the ground.

We’re capable of playing good footy, hitting targets and kicking lots of goals.
Fix the system and get some confidence (and maybe some better kicking training) and we’ll look a lot better.

 

[MPH78]

I think it’s become inevitable. The club has remained firm under pressure in recent years, backing the coaching staff despite mounting scrutiny. They attempted to ease that pressure by moving on injury-prone mid-tier players and, to some extent, using Andrew Russell as a scapegoat. But this year, it’s become glaringly obvious that the problems run deeper - issues with the game plan, a lack of tactical flexibility, poor messaging, and a clear disconnect on-field. Ironically, these are all areas Voss supposedly values most.

There’s no discernible transition game. The current strategy - built around contest and pressure - consistently sees up to 16 players flood back on defensive transition, including small forwards. The moment we win the ball back, we’re left with no structure ahead of the ball, leading to fatigue, poor decision-making, skill errors, and ultimately more injuries. It’s just not sustainable.

In my view (and I’ll admit there may be bias) I don’t think the list itself is the core issue. There’s plenty of talent, but the group looks mentally checked out and clearly isn’t being coached to their strengths, which is showing up in their performances.

If I had one criticism of the list, it’s that we’ve overloaded on inside mids with limited outside run. And because of the game style, Voss keeps rolling out Cripps, Cerra, Hewett, and now Lord in the same 22 …. which only compounds the problem.

Whenever we hack/dump kick out of D50, it always goes straight to the oppo.

Whenever the oppo hack/dump kick out of their D50, it rarely goes to us.

Our set up and structures are so wrong it’s embarrassing.

 

[bigblueboy]

Whenever we hack/dump kick out of D50, it always goes straight to the oppo.

Whenever the oppo hack/dump kick out of their D50, it rarely goes to us.

Our set up and structures are so wrong it’s embarrassing.

Stats would suggest our exits from D50 are good. Also suggest we are terrible for the kick inside 50.

 

[ajb72]

We’re capable of playing good footy, hitting targets and kicking lots of goals.
Fix the system and get some confidence (and maybe some better kicking training) and we’ll look a lot better.

We are capable of good footy when the opposition put on zero pressure. We have ball users who can kick okay under no pressure, as soon as any pressure is put on, our skill level drops off a cliff.

 

[Gointocarlton]

I think it’s become inevitable. The club has remained firm under pressure in recent years, backing the coaching staff despite mounting scrutiny. They attempted to ease that pressure by moving on injury-prone mid-tier players and, to some extent, using Andrew Russell as a scapegoat. But this year, it’s become glaringly obvious that the problems run deeper - issues with the game plan, a lack of tactical flexibility, poor messaging, and a clear disconnect on-field. Ironically, these are all areas Voss supposedly values most.

There’s no discernible transition game. The current strategy - built around contest and pressure - consistently sees up to 16 players flood back on defensive transition, including small forwards. The moment we win the ball back, we’re left with no structure ahead of the ball, leading to fatigue, poor decision-making, skill errors, and ultimately more injuries. It’s just not sustainable.

In my view (and I’ll admit there may be bias) I don’t think the list itself is the core issue. There’s plenty of talent, but the group looks mentally checked out and clearly isn’t being coached to their strengths, which is showing up in their performances.

If I had one criticism of the list, it’s that we’ve overloaded on inside mids with limited outside run. And because of the game style, Voss keeps rolling out Cripps, Cerra, Hewett, and now Lord in the same 22 …. which only compounds the problem.

So do you think say a John Longmire would get better results next year with this list?

 

[Accidental genius]

If we get a good coach like Longmire or a good untried coach you give them the authotity to shape the list as they wish.

You also allow them to pick their own assistants.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

So do you think say a John Longmire would get better results next year with this list?

IMO I think anyone who adapted a modern game plan, that had midfield spread, run and carry off half back and wing and kicking into an even forward contest would get better results.

 

[Gointocarlton]

IMO I think anyone who adapted a modern game plan, that had midfield spread, run and carry off half back and wing and kicking into an even forward contest would get better results.

Are you are saying our mob does none of the above or doesnt do the above well? I think just like every team, we try and do the above a lot, we just do it very poorly.