List Mgmt. 2026 List Management

[yibbida]

nor were they “very good AFL players” in 2004 and 2005 when the Hawks finished 15th and 14th of 16.

Buddy, Roughead were drafted in 2005 and bascially played every game. By 2007, there were core players of that team.

I'm struggling to see what your arument is. Is your argument that players make no difference? That having a core group of good players isn't an important part of a successful team?

Or are you saying Clarkson WAS a super coach? Well, why had he failed at North?

 

[Stamos]

Buddy, Roughead were drafted in 2005 and bascially played every game. By 2007, there were core players of that team.

I'm struggling to see what your arument is. Is your argument that players make no difference? That having a core group of good players isn't an important part of a successful team?

Or are you saying Clarkson WAS a super coach? Well, why had he failed at North?

I was simply refuting your statement that Hawthorn "had a settled core group of players that were very good AFL players" when Clarkson arrived there in 2004.

Geelong when Bomber took over neither for that matter.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Walter is will be 21 start of next year, Lewis will be 28.

I think Walter is a higher pedigree of athlete too but the main factor is that Walter is in the same age bracket as Jagga, Dean, Carroll, Cowan etc.

Realistically that's who we're building around from here on out, if we can't get Walter I think Lewis is fine as a stop gap, but if it was between the two I'd take Walter all day long. Would be possible to get him cheaper than his worth due to the PSD threat and GCS cap strains too.

Lewis is also horrendously injury prone and has been his entire career unfortunately. Good player when he's fit though.

As for Humphrey... I think he's a superstar in the making. Would move whatever is needed to get him at Ikon Park. Very close with Ainsworth and idolized Cripps growing up which could help.

If we want someone younger then I’d be looking at Calsher Dear. He looks like a natural footballer, unsurprising given his pedigree. I doubt however he’d want to come to us as he seems like a Hawthorn loyalist due to the family connection.

As for Humphrey, as much as I want him, I just cannot see how a deal gets done given what we have to pay up for Cody. The only players we have that would get us the picks in to get Humphrey are Weitering, Walsh and Smith, which would defeat the purpose IMO.

 

[Coops93]

I dont mind Mcreery but you do need to be careful getting role players from good sides. Often the system makes the player.

Hayward is much better and just look at how he looks in our system vs Sydney.

Tbf, even in their system he was a 11/12 possession just over 1 goal a game player - with goals coming in bursts. A 3 goal game here, 4 goal game there, then multiple with - or 1. With us he's still in the same possession range, in fact is close to career high, he just hasn't had the burst goal game yet.

He's essentially been the same player he was there, but there his 12 possessions a game and 3 goal game once a month was enough. For us it isn't.

 

[Blue__Balls]

He is 100% a role player. If you are winning he will look good, if you are losing he will get questioned.
Right type for us but realistically how much are we going to pay him to want to come to us? Not really one of the role players I would be wanting to shell out stupid money for and that’s what it will take. Stupid money.

McCreery feels like the kind of player you draft late yourself, not trade in around the peak of his value. He's a Wilson, Charleson, Carroll, Byrne, Young etc. player, he's just slotted into a defined role in a better team and therefore looked better for it.

 

[Artie Bucco]

McCreery feels like the kind of player you draft late yourself, not trade in around the peak of his value. He's a Wilson, Charleson, Carroll, Byrne, Young etc. player, he's just slotted into a defined role in a better team and therefore looked better for it.

This is a great point. I'd say no to someone like McCreery purely based on the likely acquisition cost. Hawthorn have the best list blueprint for us to replicate. They had an okay list that avoided fully bottoming out and going through a rebuild, similar to where we are today. Hit the draft, find role players through smart trades and when the core is there you use free agency to fill your high leverage list gaps.

They have brought in the following players reasonably cheaply - Chol, Impey, D'Ambrosio, Ginnivan, Gunston, Meek, Scrimshaw. They were all identified to fill a role, none were targeted to be A graders. It's a bonus and partly explains their current position with how well some of these role players are performing.

Battle and Barrass were such great free agency acquisitions. It's set them up for genuine flag tilt. Amon not in the same category, but still a smart free agency pick up.

Looking back from that 2020 period, we were too impatient. We overpaid with a lot of our trades compared to the value they've delivered us in the years since and didn't use free agency well enough for a club entering what should have been 5-6 years of contending. Partly because the list was too reliant on A graders, which left little cap space and hindsight shows Zac Williams, whilst a decent player was a really poor player to target with that cap space. He was never a proven midfielder.

 

[JustOneTime]

How many chances has Austin used on trying to find a player who can play on the wing?

Binns, Cottrell (not austin), Acres, L Campo, Flynn Young, O Hollands, Florent (for Sydney), & Chesser.

After all that effort, we are playing Carroll.

Austin just trying to nail down 2 roles and hasnt succeeded yet!!!

 

[JaggasMoves]

How many chances has Austin used on trying to find a player who can play on the wing?

Binns, Cottrell (not austin), Acres, L Campo, Flynn Young, O Hollands, Florent (for Sydney), & Chesser.

After all that effort, we are playing Carroll.

Austin just trying to nail down 2 roles and hasnt succeeded yet!!!

Carroll is a likely lock for a wing, need 2 more as I'd think Ison will slot into a HF/mid role

 

[JustOneTime]

Carroll is a likely lock for a wing, need 2 more as I'd think Ison will slot into a HF/mid role

Hopefully.

The rest looks like a scattergun approach to me.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

How many chances has Austin used on trying to find a player who can play on the wing?

Binns, Cottrell (not austin), Acres, L Campo, Flynn Young, O Hollands, Florent (for Sydney), & Chesser.

After all that effort, we are playing Carroll.

Austin just trying to nail down 2 roles and hasnt succeeded yet!!!

So just to make sure I’ve got this right - you’re saying it’s Austin’s fault he gave up a future third-round pick for Acres, who at the time was 27 years old and one of the competition’s premier wingers at Freo?

And now you’re pinning Acres’ regression and inability to lock down his spot on him as well instead of our development and coaching?

 

[JaggasMoves]

So just to make sure I’ve got this right - you’re saying it’s Austin’s fault he gave up a future third-round pick for Acres, who at the time was 27 years old and one of the competition’s premier wingers at Freo?

And now you’re pinning Acres’ regression and inability to lock down his spot on him as well instead of our development and coaching?

Acres was a great pick up at the time unfortunately our transition plan in other acquisitions has been poor

 

[JustOneTime]

So just to make sure I’ve got this right - you’re saying it’s Austin’s fault he gave up a future third-round pick for Acres, who at the time was 27 years old and one of the competition’s premier wingers at Freo?

And now you’re pinning Acres’ regression and inability to lock down his spot on him as well instead of our development and coaching?

Another edge point poster who ignores the theme.

Acres is a good deal from austin but it doesnt change the theme of the post.

The theme of the post is that Austin is using a non stop short term vision to build our list with' the wing position' front and centre as the example.

No list mgmt programme will be a success if you have to fire 7-10 times to fill a role. In his five seasons we have no second key back that is the right level, no small forward etc... these holes are there because he is pinging 7 times for a winger. And right now after all the attempts we are still in the same predicament - trying to find a winger with a 'hope' that Carroll and Hollands become assets.

Picking on Austin for trying to fill the wing role multiple times is harsh... but what is everyone here for? If he finds one i'll sing his praises.

IMO, our midfield is so slow that they cant afford to actually fill the role with the right player in Walsh. A natural winger. Poor list mgmt sees him bailing out a snail midfield. I'm pretty sure Lions would have Walsh on a wing to take advantage of what skills walsh brings. We cant do that with an unbalanced list full on inside midfielders and fake wingers.

Acres gave us 2 seasons. Sidebottom gave pies 10+ years. This is what Austin needs to find if we want to win anything. Austin might just have to fire 2-4 more times to get that for us.

The theme continues with rucks and inside midfielders. All short term and with rucks; all need to be replaced starting now.

 

[TENACIOUS]

I don’t see how Voss survives..

However, I wish they’d make a decision.. I can’t see how the indecision wouldn’t effect list management and all the work they are putting in..

New coach would want different types of players, unlike Voss’s love of slow, endurance, contested players who can’t kick.

 

[TENACIOUS]

How many chances has Austin used on trying to find a player who can play on the wing?

Binns, Cottrell (not austin), Acres, L Campo, Flynn Young, O Hollands, Florent (for Sydney), & Chesser.

After all that effort, we are playing Carroll.

Austin just trying to nail down 2 roles and hasnt succeeded yet!!!

Should be Carroll and Flynn Young

 

[Blue_Fusion]

So, we've gone from getting Butters to getting Humphrey...

He's young enough to be part of our next flag push, but the price we'd have to pay for him will be detrimental to our next flag push...

He's a contracted, required player at GCS with massive potential.... they're not letting him go for one 1st round pick... a pick I might add that we probably need to keep for Cody...

 

[teddy-hopkins]

So close...

 

[JustOneTime]

Should be Carroll and Flynn Young

Obviously flynn is worth trying. We dont know on him yet Flynn has the kicking but he has the kicking at a slower pace. We are yet to find out if he has the kicking under elite pressure where you have no time.

Right now we have a lot of players to try in this role to find out. Must be a lot of pressure on that role for the many players recrutied for it.

What makes the role easier to succeed...we all know it. You need one of elite speed (Peter Matera), elite sidestep, or elite brain (sidebottom), or elite poise (Mccluggage). All must be able to execute an elite weighted kick to adv as a baseline.

Carroll has the best kick of our options followed by Flynn, maybe then Chesser. Hollands and walsh can do the role using hard running. Neither have the inside 50 kick. Hollands better vision over Walsh. Acres can do it too but kicking has become key.

We just hope on Carroll and one other. But no certianty on anyone.

My opinion only. You might be more confident on Flynn.

 

[sweethoney]

Acres was a great pick up at the time unfortunately our transition plan in other acquisitions has been poor

Acres was actually Freos best finals player when we pick him up. Definitely got our value for what we paid

 

[TENACIOUS]

Obviously flynn is worth trying. We dont know on him yet Flynn has the kicking but he has the kicking at a slower pace. We are yet to find out if he has the kicking under elite pressure where you have no time.

Right now we have a lot of players to try in this role to find out. Must be a lot of pressure on that role for the many players recrutied for it.

What makes the role easier to succeed...we all know it. You need one of elite speed (Peter Matera), elite sidestep, or elite brain (sidebottom), or elite poise (Mccluggage). All must be able to execute an elite weighted kick to adv as a baseline.

Carroll has the best kick of our options followed by Flynn, maybe then Chesser. Hollands and walsh can do the role using hard running. Neither have the inside 50 kick. Hollands better vision over Walsh. Acres can do it too but kicking has become key.

We just hope on Carroll and one other. But no certianty on anyone.

My opinion only. You might be more confident on Flynn.

Last two games of 2025 showed me he belongs. He and Frankie were our best two players.

 

[Blue__Balls]

How many chances has Austin used on trying to find a player who can play on the wing?

Binns, Cottrell (not austin), Acres, L Campo, Flynn Young, O Hollands, Florent (for Sydney), & Chesser.

After all that effort, we are playing Carroll.

Austin just trying to nail down 2 roles and hasnt succeeded yet!!!

Not sure Austin can be blamed for this - I think we've gone through a few evolutions of what we wanted our wingers to be. Carroll and Chesser are, I think, indicative of where the "gameplan" sits now. We want a bit of straight-line speed and good ball use. Prior to that we were looking for out and out endurance with Hollands and Binns because we wanted our wings to be able to paper over defensive gaps. Prior to that we were looking for a big bodied marking option who could maybe pinch hit in the middle, hence Acres.

Cottrell and Young, I think, are more half forwards who can rotate through a wing. Florent the same but starting off half back.

Long story short - I think Austin has run the gamut on wingers because the coaches keep changing their minds on the type of winger they want.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

How many chances has Austin used on trying to find a player who can play on the wing?

Binns, Cottrell (not austin), Acres, L Campo, Flynn Young, O Hollands, Florent (for Sydney), & Chesser.

After all that effort, we are playing Carroll.

Austin just trying to nail down 2 roles and hasnt succeeded yet!!!

Carroll is a footballer. Should be a lock in the team every week.

 

[JustOneTime]

Carroll is a footballer. Should be a lock in the team every week.

He was terrific today. What about the other wing then?

 

[Kruezing]

He was terrific today. What about the other wing then?

Acres we need to balance out the value add of Carrol somehow

 

[Ezayyak]

Maybe it is time to bite the bullet, trade Cripps, Walsh, Cerra and Weitering and start again. They're damaged.

 

[dumb]

Would Lewis be a player we’d go after?

also others at hawks we should look at, ie blanck