List Mgmt. 2026 List Management

[gbatman]

Not sure any club would take those 3 for anything significant in a trade…
Maybe 3rd/4th rounders?

Hewett is turning 31

Cerra is younger but hamstrung

Hollands has a significant off field issue to deal with but some clubs might try to assist and take him on but not give too much in return.

I actually think we should keep players like Hewett to help mentor tge younger guys coming through.

Hewett you are likely right.

Cerra, as I said, if we get him going and playing well, you do it.

Oliver Hollands has no known off field issues.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

So you are saying we can't draft good players with second and third round picks? Or potentially first round picks even?

I think offloading some players who are cooked or at the ends of their careers for some picks to bring in youth before the compromised drafts would be the wise thing to do.

I don't think people realise just how bad things really are list wise. Even if we 'rally' and manage to beat every other struggling club by a few points each time we meet them, it's only masking the problem. People will site the sprinkle of quality youngsters we have and conflate that with our few victories, even when those players are not playing.

We essentially need three first rounders, and a spattering of seconds, to get us back on the right foot.

 

[gab213]

Our list is not that bad. We do need to get better at playing our slow game and defending the ground and there is time for that and scope to improve that.

I keep reading this type of statement and sure, it's not that bad, but it's not that good either. We dont have the list of a contender regardless of who is coaching.

We have a number of very good players on the list but overall it just isn't that good. Maybe we can get to being a middle of the road side but thats about our ceiling atm.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

ok, Stamos how far away are we?

What are the list changes (and other areas) do you see happening to turn this around?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I think Walker + a Cyril/Pickett type pick in the mid teens + a good free agent (thinking King) this year then a free agent and using the couple of firsts next year and the list will be in great shape.

Will be in even better shape if some of the youngsters can really start to make large strides in their games.

Key backs are sorted, HOF, Dean and Weitering will be immense.
Key forwards will be King, Harry, HOK (second ruck) and maybe Kemp
Key mids will be Walsh, Jagga, Walker, Cerra, George, maybe Crippa

The other youngsters coming through need to get to support cast level, with a bit of luck some might even turn themselves into something better.

It’s not all doom and gloom

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I think Walker + a Cyril/Pickett type pick in the mid teens + a good free agent (thinking King) this year then a free agent and using the couple of firsts next year and the list will be in great shape.

Will be in even better shape if some of the youngsters can really start to make large strides in their games.

Key backs are sorted, HOF, Dean and Weitering will be immense.
Key forwards will be King, Harry, HOK (second ruck) and maybe Kemp
Key mids will be Walsh, Jagga, Walker, Cerra, George, maybe Crippa

The other youngsters coming through need to get to support cast level, with a bit of luck some might even turn themselves into something better.

It’s not all doom and gloom

Problem #1, those bolded key mids... it isn't working. The non-bolded, 2/3 of those need a few years in the system.

Problem #2, we might not have another pick in the teens this year...

Problem #3, we are not going to be the only club chasing King... Pies will be heavily invested and if it comes down to them or us, he's most likely choosing them...

Problem #4, Harry isn't a lead up forward, he's not a contested marking forward... I don't know what he is these days other than a relief option down the line. HOK hasn't proven anything... neither has Kemp.

Problem #5, the support around all those keys needs to improve big time... wingers remain weak, Ollie, Chesser, Acres all can't hit targets... we are really relying on Motlop to find something when he gets back or hope that Byrne can finally be the x factor small forward we've been missing...

Our ruck stocks suck... both can't run fast enough, don't provide a reliable relief marking option either... they do our one paced mids no favours whatsoever...

Not saying it's all doom and gloom either, but it will take some years to fix all these issues...

 

[Accidental genius]

Hewett you are likely right.

Cerra, as I said, if we get him going and playing well, you do it.

Oliver Hollands has no known off field issues.

Thought you meant Elijah…

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Hewett you are likely right.

Cerra, as I said, if we get him going and playing well, you do it.

Oliver Hollands has no known off field issues.

I can’t see anyone giving a pick up inside 25 for Hollands or Cerra unless they stay fit and play really good football; which would mean we would probably be building around them ourselves.

I honestly can’t see where we get picks from unless Cripps asks to go to someone like Geelong or if HOF and Dean look like future Hall of famers in the back half of the season and we go crazy and let Weitering look around.

The problem atm is we look so undesirable that cap space means near zero. The way we perform this season is going to be a lot more important than a lot think imo.

 

[macky99]

I can’t see anyone giving a pick up inside 25 for Hollands or Cerra unless they stay fit and play really good football; which would mean we would probably be building around them ourselves.

I honestly can’t see where we get picks from unless Cripps asks to go to someone like Geelong or if HOF and Dean look like future Hall of famers in the back half of the season and we go crazy and let Weitering look around.

The problem atm is we look so undesirable that cap space means near zero. The way we perform this season is going to be a lot more important than a lot think imo.

Saints attracted players when they are hardly one of the more attractive teams to go to, we now have a solid team running the ship Wright & Davies they will make some positive moves at year end.

 

[Stamos]

ok, Stamos how far away are we?

What are the list changes (and other areas) do you see happening to turn this around?

Bedding in the game plan and cohesion is the most important aspect of turning it around.
We’ve got enough talent. We should bounce back in 27.

As for what the list needs, depending on the development of some of the younger players (Moir, Ison, Skull, Wilson, Byrne, Lij and Kemp) I think another fast skilful half back or two. Need to replace Newman, Haynes, Saad, Williams (who should not be back, but has started this year), Gov (likewise).

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Bedding in the game plan and cohesion is the most important aspect of turning it around.
We’ve got enough talent. We should bounce back in 27.

As for what the list needs, depending on the development of some of the younger players (Moir, Ison, Skull, Wilson, Byrne, Lij and Kemp) I think another fast skilful half back or two. Need to replace Newman, Haynes, Saad, Williams (who should not be back, but has started this year), Gov (likewise).

It’s a positive outlook you have old mate. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just don’t think those couple of things you mentioned get us anywhere near top 4 (where every club should be aiming to get to).

Just a few observations:

Harry isn’t anywhere near being a dangerous key forward, in fact, he looks frail and scared to hit the contest hard. That’s not my opinion just from the last 2 games. Our forward line will struggle if our 1 wood isn’t ripping teams apart or at least trying to rip them apart.

Cripps has definitely dropped off his elite status (again, not based off the 2 games played this year). We all love him, but he turns 31 this week coming and most on this board were saying 5 years ago he wouldn’t play past 30 due to having to be the bull. Yes we added Hewett for support, but Cripps continues to have to do a lot of heavy lifting.

As mentioned previously, I feel our midfield is just too slow but besides that, there’s not enough skill and talent to kick through opposition teams.

I could go on but I won’t. I do however like the youth coming through.

The only other thing I’ll say is that, if (and maybe when) Voss is ousted. A new coach will take time. It’s pretty rare a new coach can take a team to the top few. There will be teething problems and it usually takes 2 or 3 years for a new coach to get the team that they want, so more changes will be coming to our list.

I enjoy your opinion and optimism, but I just don’t think we will turn it around in 2027 with what I have seen over the past 18 months or so. Just my opinion

 

[Blue__Balls]

So you are saying we can't draft good players with second and third round picks? Or potentially first round picks even?

I think offloading some players who are cooked or at the ends of their careers for some picks to bring in youth before the compromised drafts would be the wise thing to do.

Worth noting that we already have some of that youth that we're not making use of yet, for one reason or another.

Young, Wilson, Charleson, HOF, the Campos, Byrne, Ison, Monahan, Duffy...don't want to see us go overboard on drafting kids when we're yet to show we can make anything of this bunch.

We do need to keep bringing some youth in year on year of course, but we should also be looking for more of the Florent, Ainsworth, Hayward, Hewett, Haynes, Newman, Acres, Chesser, Evans, Pittonet etc. type recruitments. Best 22 types who don't cost a bundle, are known quantities, and ideally come from good systems elsewhere.

 

[Stamos]

It’s a positive outlook you have old mate. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just don’t think those couple of things you mentioned get us anywhere near top 4 (where every club should be aiming to get to).

Just a few observations:

Harry isn’t anywhere near being a dangerous key forward, in fact, he looks frail and scared to hit the contest hard. That’s not my opinion just from the last 2 games. Our forward line will struggle if our 1 wood isn’t ripping teams apart or at least trying to rip them apart.

Cripps has definitely dropped off his elite status (again, not based off the 2 games played this year). We all love him, but he turns 31 this week coming and most on this board were saying 5 years ago he wouldn’t play past 30 due to having to be the bull. Yes we added Hewett for support, but Cripps continues to have to do a lot of heavy lifting.

As mentioned previously, I feel our midfield is just too slow but besides that, there’s not enough skill and talent to kick through opposition teams.

I could go on but I won’t. I do however like the youth coming through.

The only other thing I’ll say is that, if (and maybe when) Voss is ousted. A new coach will take time. It’s pretty rare a new coach can take a team to the top few. There will be teething problems and it usually takes 2 or 3 years for a new coach to get the team that they want, so more changes will be coming to our list.

I enjoy your opinion and optimism, but I just don’t think we will turn it around in 2027 with what I have seen over the past 18 months or so. Just my opinion

Way too premature to write off Cripps and H.

If it weren’t for his run-up, Cripps would have been BOG on Thursday. That should be a pretty easy fix.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Hewett you are likely right.

Cerra, as I said, if we get him going and playing well, you do it.

Oliver Hollands has no known off field issues.

I'd keep George but Cerra - trade for sure. Maybe to Tassy eventually?

We really need some quicker players around the ball. Cody Walker, Jagga and Walsh with one of Cripps or Hewett doing the in and under.

There is a reason guys like Lord and Oli Greaves didn't get picked in the national draft. Nobody wants too many slower mids on their list even if they are good players.

 

[Blue1980]

I don't think people realise just how bad things really are list wise. Even if we 'rally' and manage to beat every other struggling club by a few points each time we meet them, it's only masking the problem. People will site the sprinkle of quality youngsters we have and conflate that with our few victories, even when those players are not playing.

We essentially need three first rounders, and a spattering of seconds, to get us back on the right foot.

I think we will gradually give more and more young guys a go this year, but we are trying to avoid the Bolton era when we just played Dow, SPS, LOB etc every week in important roles when they hadn't earnt it just thinking it would magically result in them becoming good AFL players.

In saying that though, we do have a lack of quality of young talent on our list compared to most clubs, and a worse experienced core than most clubs.

 

[Blue1980]

Way too premature to write off Cripps and H.

If it weren’t for his run-up, Cripps would have been BOG on Thursday. That should be a pretty easy fix.

I think Cripps and Harry are in very seperate discussions. Cripps is still very very good, maybe not ever going to get back to his 2024 best, but close to our best and arguably our best on Thursday night. Harry was okish, and doesn't look like he is about to take a game by the scruff of the neck anytime soon, but can still play a role

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Way too premature to write off Cripps and H.

If it weren’t for his run-up, Cripps would have been BOG on Thursday. That should be a pretty easy fix.

Definitely don’t believe I mentioned I’d written Harry and Cripps off. I’m just saying I believe they have dropped a little over the past 18 months

 

[Gointocarlton]

Way too premature to write off Cripps and H.

If it weren’t for his run-up, Cripps would have been BOG on Thursday. That should be a pretty easy fix.

Not writing off Crippa but he needs to just do what he does best, be the inside beast. He cant kick, never has been able to never will. Just work to your strengths. If he flloats fwd and takes a mark, have a better kick run by for the handball and have a shot (Gov, Saad, Newmy, Williams).

H looks down on confidence. if he can get on the board early an we can muster a few wins, it will fix that.

 

[Blue1980]

Worth noting that we already have some of that youth that we're not making use of yet, for one reason or another.

Young, Wilson, Charleson, HOF, the Campos, Byrne, Ison, Monahan, Duffy...don't want to see us go overboard on drafting kids when we're yet to show we can make anything of this bunch.

We do need to keep bringing some youth in year on year of course, but we should also be looking for more of the Florent, Ainsworth, Hayward, Hewett, Haynes, Newman, Acres, Chesser, Evans, Pittonet etc. type recruitments. Best 22 types who don't cost a bundle, are known quantities, and ideally come from good systems elsewhere.

Likely is most of the youth you mention won't amount to much if anything. Out of those you mention the only ones I'd be confident of being on the list in 2029 would be HOF and Byrne. Ison too early to tell, the others dont seem to have enough of a point of difference to become regular AFL players unless they improve markedly.

So yes bringing in the types you suggest makes sense, bring in another Pitt style ruckman from somewhere who is like 22 or so, had some years in the system, behind others at their club.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Way too premature to write off Cripps and H.

If it weren’t for his run-up, Cripps would have been BOG on Thursday. That should be a pretty easy fix.

Way too optimistic to think those two are going to work as they get even older...

I don't know where you get the idea that our midfield accompanied by slow rucks is going to be turned around in one off season...

Faster half backs with foot skills I agree are a need, but should not be the priority over addressing the midfield issues we have...

If our starting quartet is Cripps + Hewett + Walsh + Cerra with Pitto main ruck and Ollie/Lord + Acres/Chesser on the wings next year we're ****ed again.

 

[Beyond Blue]

It’s a positive outlook you have old mate. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just don’t think those couple of things you mentioned get us anywhere near top 4 (where every club should be aiming to get to).

Just a few observations:

Harry isn’t anywhere near being a dangerous key forward, in fact, he looks frail and scared to hit the contest hard. That’s not my opinion just from the last 2 games. Our forward line will struggle if our 1 wood isn’t ripping teams apart or at least trying to rip them apart.

This. Harry wouldn’t be in the top 20 key position forwards in the league at the moment. Watch other teams and look at the difference between Harry and blokes like Thilthorpe, Bing, Darcy, Hogan, Neale, Treacey, Larkey and even guys like Chol and Wright, and sadly big H is miles behind them.

The problem for us is he is paid like he is a top 10 forward in the league. It is now bordering on an onerous contract when you look at $$$ vs goals. Let’s see what happens over the rest of the season but if we keep on the same path we should be looking to offload him at the end of the season.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I don't think people realise just how bad things really are list wise. Even if we 'rally' and manage to beat every other struggling club by a few points each time we meet them, it's only masking the problem. People will site the sprinkle of quality youngsters we have and conflate that with our few victories, even when those players are not playing.

We essentially need three first rounders, and a spattering of seconds, to get us back on the right foot.

We don't really know how good or bad the list is because we're so badly coached.

If you go off our first halves our list is great. Based on 2nd halves we're a bottom 4 list.

I think there is a far better team on this list than the one that is being put out on the field every week.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Cripps played 80% TOG, drop that down to 70% max.(midfield minutes)

Gives us more mid rotations and he might have slotted those crucial goals.

 

[gbatman]

I don't think people realise just how bad things really are list wise. Even if we 'rally' and manage to beat every other struggling club by a few points each time we meet them, it's only masking the problem. People will site the sprinkle of quality youngsters we have and conflate that with our few victories, even when those players are not playing.

We essentially need three first rounders, and a spattering of seconds, to get us back on the right foot.

So far we have beaten Richmond who have enough talent to be decent this season. GWS have been given a mother of all belting by the Bulldogs. Fremantle failed to hold a big lead against Geelong who were beaten easily the week prior. Brisbane just got thumped by Sydney who we had on toast for 2 and a half quarters before they thumped us.

Our list is not bad. It's unfinished and there are some tactical and coaching issues to iron out.

 

[Accidental genius]

This. Harry wouldn’t be in the top 20 key position forwards in the league at the moment. Watch other teams and look at the difference between Harry and blokes like Thilthorpe, Bing, Darcy, Hogan, Neale, Treacey, Larkey and even guys like Chol and Wright, and sadly big H is miles behind them.

The problem for us is he is paid like he is a top 10 forward in the league. It is now bordering on an onerous contract when you look at $$$ vs goals. Let’s see what happens over the rest of the season but if we keep on the same path we should be looking to offload him at the end of the season.

Agreed.

Bloody frustrating how our rebuild has turned out.

One big mess.