List Mgmt. 2026 List Management

[josephone]

If Walker wasn't around would we be better off taking two picks to the draft. They could easily be 3 & 10ish?

Firstly I think that's on the pessimistic side for both us and Sydney. Unsure how the Swans miss the eight the way they are traveling. I think 5 and 15 maybe a more realistic draft hand.

However if we end up with 3, then you'd think we would be able to utilise what we've got to get Cody and another good first rounder. Remember we've got North's second which may well be in the 19-23 range too. So with 3, 15 and 22 we've got the ability to make a few deals.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I know we currently look as bad as ever, but surely we won’t be finishing bottom 3. Surely not.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Had a great discussion on weekend re: List and Cody Walker

I will preface this by saying I believe Walker will be a very good player and am very happy to get him

BUT..... he will likely cost 2 x First round picks (or close to it) and I believe by years end we will make a minimum 10 changes. We need to bring in real quality and more than one

If Walker wasn't around would we be better off taking two picks to the draft. They could easily be 3 & 10ish?

IMO we need more young talent plus another group of 21-25 year olds. We have a lot of 30 plus at years end and many will go. We seriously lack elite run and ball use

We will take Walker but given our List position and needs we are putting a lot of eggs in one basket. I hope we use future picks and get into this draft even more. With Tassie coming we need to strike now

I thought we had a great trade/draft period last year but it was only half the job and this year's off season is even more vital now

If we finish low enough to have pick 3 there's every chance our 2nd pick is barely effected/needed for matching a bid on him. Pick 3 would cover most of the points we'd need by itself even if he copped a bid at 1 which is historically unlikely for a F/S prospect.

 

[Soapy V]

I know we currently look as bad as ever, but surely we won’t be finishing bottom 3. Surely not.

Unless things change I think we are in a group with North, WCE, Tigers, Essendon, Port and Melbourne. May only be a game or two in it

If we sack Voss and go Youth then bottom 3 is a real possibility


PS If you go through the draw and work on us winning games we are "Favourites" then it's only another three wins. Even against Melbourne this week they are slight Favourites. Long way to go but highlights where we sit at the moment

 

[Bletch]

Unless things change I think we are in a group with North, WCE, Tigers, Essendon, Port and Melbourne. May only be a game or two in it

If we sack Voss and go Youth then bottom 3 is a real possibility

Agree with that group of 7 teams at the bottom. Yet to pan out, but perhaps Saints and/or GWS come back to that group as well. Dees perhaps most likely to jump out of the group and into that 8-11 range.

We've got two games coming up against teams in that group (Dees, Norf), and that will tell us a lot about where we sit. After that we've got a pretty tough 8-week run. We'll probably go in as underdogs in all of those matches, with Saints (Marvel) and Port (away) our best chances.

That gets us past the half-way mark (12 matches), and unless we see some marked improvement, we're likely in the 1-4 win range at that point.

Following that we've got * and then the bye. That match may well be crucial for both coaches.

I'm still hopeful we start to see improvement as we adapt to the new gameplan, remembering Hawthorn in 2024, but more realistically, I'm hoping we're towards the top of that group of 7 come years end. Pessimistically, bottom 3 is certainly a possibility.

 

[Soapy V]

Agree with that group of 7 teams at the bottom. Yet to pan out, but perhaps Saints and/or GWS come back to that group as well. Dees perhaps most likely to jump out of the group and into that 8-11 range.

We've got two games coming up against teams in that group (Dees, Norf), and that will tell us a lot about where we sit. After that we've got a pretty tough 8-week run. We'll probably go in as underdogs in all of those matches, with Saints (Marvel) and Port (away) our best chances.

That gets us past the half-way mark (12 matches), and unless we see some marked improvement, we're likely in the 1-4 win range at that point.

Following that we've got * and then the bye. That match may well be crucial for both coaches.

I'm still hopeful we start to see improvement as we adapt to the new gameplan, remembering Hawthorn in 2024, but more realistically, I'm hoping we're towards the top of that group of 7 come years end. Pessimistically, bottom 3 is certainly a possibility.

Fair summation

Next two weeks are our best chances on paper all year. Lose 1 or both of those and we are in real trouble

 

[ctwenty1]

Sunday's game cant come soon enough given all this negativity

 

[Soapy V]

Here is a List of our 30 pluses this year

If we were a Top 4 side it wouldn't be an issue but when you are possibly bottom 4-6 then it becomes a serious problem. With 10 plus list changes at years end decisions need to be made on many of these and soon. We also need to be able to assess many others on our list and see if they have a future.

Williams - 32
McGovern - 32
Acres - 31
Newman - 33
Haynes - 34
Hewett - 31
Saad - 32
Cripps - 31
Pittonet - 30

We also have Weitering, Young, McKay, Boyd, Hayward, Ainsworth, Florent that are all 28 plus this year

 

[Soapy V]

I thought I was on twitter doomscrolling for a second. 2 games in for gods sake. Let it play out.

You see two games. I see 30 years

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Had a great discussion on weekend re: List and Cody Walker

I will preface this by saying I believe Walker will be a very good player and am very happy to get him

BUT..... he will likely cost 2 x First round picks (or close to it) and I believe by years end we will make a minimum 10 changes. We need to bring in real quality and more than one

If Walker wasn't around would we be better off taking two picks to the draft. They could easily be 3 & 10ish?

IMO we need more young talent plus another group of 21-25 year olds. We have a lot of 30 plus at years end and many will go. We seriously lack elite run and ball use

We will take Walker but given our List position and needs we are putting a lot of eggs in one basket. I hope we use future picks and get into this draft even more. With Tassie coming we need to strike now

I thought we had a great trade/draft period last year but it was only half the job and this year's off season is even more vital now

Exactly what I've been trying to say...

This year's draft it critical for us.

Essendon will want a 2027 1st, though I very much doubt their 1st is going to be on the table this year, their 2nd will likely be just after the 1st round...

Given our 2027 1st is going to be pushed back a bit by Tassie picks, it might be a decent option for us. Pick 5 + 15 will get the job done for Cody, if not, there'll also be a bit of a deficit to our 2027 1st pick too.

However, this will allow us to take three 2nd rounders this year on top of Cody. Ess and North's will both be at the pointy end whilst GC's will be at the latter end.

This year's draft is quite strong, a lot of talent up for grabs. We could even package Ess + North's 2nd rounders for another first if we wanted.

As for trade options, Cerra is the man. We gotta face the facts with him, he doesn't really add much to our midfield and his body is unreliable. At his age (turns 27 this year), he's unlikely to factor in our next flag run. A fresh start might be just what he needs and the Hawks have three 2nd rounders to play with from GWS, StK + Melb. I'd take another one from them (whichever is the best of the bunch - likely to be Melbourne's)

Four second rounders (Ess + North + Melb + GC) really allows us to build via this draft, even if we package two up for another first like I mentioned, we're bringing in at least 1 or 2 gun young talented players + a few very good young talented players.

We can try and address so many areas with those.

 

[Soapy V]

Sunday's game cant come soon enough given all this negativity

I am all for positivity and have always tried to see hope in what we do but sometimes the data drags you back to reality

 

[carlton_99]

Here is a List of our 30 pluses this year

If we were a Top 4 side it wouldn't be an issue but when you are possibly bottom 4-6 then it becomes a serious problem. With 10 plus list changes at years end decisions need to be made on many of these and soon. We also need to be able to assess many others on our list and see if they have a future.

Williams - 32
McGovern - 32
Acres - 31
Newman - 33
Haynes - 34
Hewett - 31
Saad - 32
Cripps - 31
Pittonet - 30

We also have Weitering, Young, McKay, Boyd, Hayward, Ainsworth, Florent that are all 28 plus this year

Haynes and Newman will likely retire. Can't see Cripps/Pittonet going anywhere. The other 30+ players will depend on how they go this year so don't see the rush to make a decision. In terms of the 28+ players this is a group we likely need to add to before looking to reduce. A reliable senior core is still critical to any sort of future success.

 

[Soapy V]

Haynes and Newman will likely retire. Can't see Cripps/Pittonet going anywhere. The other 30+ players will depend on how they go this year so don't see the rush to make a decision. In terms of the 28+ players this is a group we likely need to add to before looking to reduce. A reliable senior core is still critical to any sort of future success.

My feel is Haynes, Newman, Saad, McGovern, Williams will go. I think with Lord & Ben C coming through there are question marks on Hewett in modern game

 

[BluStreak]

Any thoughts on Duffy's transition to AFL? Could we get M Keane from Crows to have a word with him about defending?
Cripps should be looking at that trainer who took the 4 this off season (the one who took Petracca and Co and taught them how to run)

 

[carlton_99]

My feel is Haynes, Newman, Saad, McGovern, Williams will go. I think with Lord & Ben C coming through there are question marks on Hewett in modern game

Personally I would look to keep Williams of that list. We don't need to cut that deep that quickly. He offers something I still feel is very important to our list. If we gets through the year without significant injury issues would be happy to bring him back on a team friendly deal.

 

[Benaly28]

With Gold Coast saying they’ll be matching any bid for King. Wonder if Walter is gettable

VERy interested on our radar.

 

[carlton_99]

You see two games. I see 30 years

But what's the connection to the last 30 years? The club undertook a significant refresh in the pre-season admitting that what they had done previously had not worked. Massive changes to the list. Massive changes to the coaching staff (pretty much everything short of the head coach). Big changes among the executives with Wright/Davies taking over. Most people in pre-season knew this season was going to have its ups and downs with all the change and the mood overall seemed quite positive about those changes. Now two games in people seem to be surprised that there are these ups and downs.

 

[Soapy V]

Personally I would look to keep Williams of that list. We don't need to cut that deep that quickly. He offers something I still feel is very important to our list. If we gets through the year without significant injury issues would be happy to bring him back on a team friendly deal.

I have to disagree yet we will still have a heap of experience on the list

Re: Williams. Injury prone and a very poor ball user. At some stage we really need to focus on Good ball users and move forward from players that have taken us nowhere

 

[RPCB]

My feel is Haynes, Newman, Saad, McGovern, Williams will go. I think with Lord & Ben C coming through there are question marks on Hewett in modern game

Yep, they should all be gone at the end of this year if we want to move forward into the future.

 

[carlton_99]

I have to disagree yet we will still have a heap of experience on the list

Re: Williams. Injury prone and a very poor ball user. At some stage we really need to focus on Good ball users and move forward from players that have taken us nowhere

We agree that we should be focusing on ball use which is the reason I think Williams adds to the list. I disagree he is a poor ball user in fact I think he is one of our better users of the ball. Really think he should be played forward of centre for this reason.

 

[Soapy V]

But what's the connection to the last 30 years? The club undertook a significant refresh in the pre-season admitting that what they had done previously had not worked. Massive changes to the list. Massive changes to the coaching staff (pretty much everything short of the head coach). Big changes among the executives with Wright/Davies taking over. Most people in pre-season knew this was going to have its ups and downs with all the change and the mood overall seemed quite positive about those changes. Now two games in people seem to be surprised that there are these ups and downs.

Not surprised and I am backing in Wright 100% and his direction. That's why i know we are nowhere near finished yet but as we stand we are still poor

Has NOTHING to do with 2 games for me

As for Ups and Downs when was the last "Up"?

 

[carlton_99]

Not surprised and I am backing in Wright 100% and his direction. That's why i know we are nowhere near finished yet but as we stand we are still poor

Has NOTHING to do with 2 games for me

As for Ups and Downs when was the last "Up"?

The game plan changes that have taken effect in the first half of both games have been a positive for me. More handballs from congestion rather than long blind kicks, more overlap run from HB, lowering the eyes more and quicker decision making with ball in hand. Consistency is still a massive issue as evidenced by our anaemic second halves. But the changes they have made to the way they are trying to play are positive.

 

[Benaly28]

Agree with Walker of what I’ve seen needs to clean up his disposal for a start and will take time to fill out and become what we want.

 

[Soapy V]

The game plan changes that have taken effect in the first half of both games have been a positive for me. More handballs from congestion rather than long blind kicks, more overlap run from HB, lowering the eyes more and quicker decision making with ball in hand. Consistency is still a massive issue as evidenced by our anaemic second halves. But the changes they have made to the way they are trying to play are positive.

I agree but it has also highlighted to me is we don't have the players that can play that way

I feel like we are now caught in the middle

 

[Crippa#9]

Yep, they should all be gone at the end of this year if we want to move forward into the future.

Williams & Newman should stay.

The hate on Zac Williams is mind boggling.