List Mgmt. 2026 List Management

[Soapy V]

So its Lloyd's fault regarding our subpar list management?

If you believe it’s subpar then blame Lloyd as he was in charge

 

[JaggasMoves]

If you believe it’s subpar then blame Lloyd as he was in charge

Well then I blame him if he was making the final decision on all things list management

As well as gameplan, tactics and selection

 

[carlton_99]

I agree, you don't stop playing a certain age group at any point in time

Yeh exactly. It's also why I'm hesitant of just moving on all of our senior players and doing the full scorched earth rebuild. Just think it leads to the team getting smashed every week, low morale, young players have no one to learn off and coach inevitably gets moved on.

 

[ray8182]

No one can question Ollie's commitment, but he had poor foot skills as a junior and will only marginally improve in any environment

As a counter Ison has always had elite footskills, and when he refines his game, those footskills will be a threat at all levels

Ollie had poor foot skills as a junior?
Not from my memory.
There’s been profiles saying he rushed his kicks under pressure(which has presented as a problem today) but at the time of the draft l don’t think his kicking was seen as poor at all. I would like to go back and analyse his junior footage and really critique his kicking to see if it was actually an obvious problem because l don’t remember it that way.

It’s easy to throw these comments in now with his kicking being very inconsistent. People can read them and assume they must be true based on current performance.

 

[JaggasMoves]

Ollie had poor foot skills as a junior?
Not from my memory.
There’s been profiles saying he rushed his kicks under pressure(which has presented as a problem today) but at the time of the draft l don’t think his kicking was seen as poor at all. I would like to go back and analyse his junior footage and really critique his kicking to see if it was actually an obvious problem because l don’t remember it that way.

It’s easy to throw these comments in now with his kicking being very inconsistent. People can read them and assume they must be true based on current performance.

Ollie's kicking was rated as average at club level. Some slightly lower or higher. That's now become evident at the next level

 

[ray8182]

Ollie's kicking was rated as average at club level. Some slightly lower or higher. That's now become evident at the next level

You have been working at afl club level?

 

[Blue By Blood]

BA & WH are in direct competition for the forward roles - there’s only so many that can be selected in the B23

Florent is different as wing / backline but ball use is average, not what we needed further of in the team.

• Byrne is a small forward so he fits in no issues.
• Moir can play as a mobile third tall in the right setup and with fast ball movement so he can lead up at the ball carrier.
• BA and WH are half forwards- both can fit in as you need two. And both can push up higher to have more impact. I don't see them as being in direct competition with each other as both can coexist on LHF and RHF flanks respectively.
• EH can play HF, on-ball in spurts, HB and wing. So he's perfect for a utility bench spot.

I stand by the fact they can all fit in the team especially once we have a system in place that allows them to be dangerous. Just my two cents.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Actually it was Lloyd

Soapy I was surprised Austin remained when Voss was backed last year. If it were up to me Austin would have gone two years ago. Our list make up is terrible with too many of the same types (ie low skill and speed level).

 

[Soapy V]

Soapy I was surprised Austin remained when Voss was backed last year. If it were up to me Austin would have gone two years ago. Our list make up is terrible with too many of the same types (ie low skill and speed level).

Lloyd went, Agresta went and they beefed up recruiting

As I have said I don’t know if Austin is any good. Just too hard to tell when hardly any player improves or reaches their potential at our club. Same for old and young players

Our development has been non existent

IMO it makes it impossible to assess but others see it differently

Davies is now there. If he feels Austin is no good I am confident he will make the call

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

currently carving up for Geelong, and has something that we severely lack at Carlton which is break away speed and ability to explode from the contest.

Obviously Geelong have the "country-side" vibe and the Cotton On Cash, that meant we were likely never a chance at landing him, but he was traded for what was effectively Pick #17. Can't help but feel like we missed a trick in not pursuing that trade more.

I suspect it was actually one of our Club's most notable flaws - which is our inability to accept any player with a shred of an image problem - that held us back from pursuing him, rather than any football rationale.

Until we stop being a soft-corporate Club, we will continue to fail.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Do we currently have a national recruiting manager?

 

[JJBagger]

Bailey Smith currently carving up for Geelong, and has something that we severely lack at Carlton which is break away speed and ability to explode from the contest.

Obviously Geelong have the "country-side" vibe and the Cotton On Cash, that meant we were likely never a chance at landing him, but he was traded for what was effectively Pick #17. Can't help but feel like we missed a trick in not pursuing that trade more.

I suspect it was actually one of our Club's most notable flaws - which is our inability to accept any player with a shred of an image problem - that held us back from pursuing him, rather than any football rationale.

Until we stop being a soft-corporate Club, we will continue to fail.

Still a butcher of the footy. Would look rubbish in this current Carlton team

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Still a butcher of the footy. Would look rubbish in this current Carlton team

As opposed tooo...

 

[JJBagger]

As opposed tooo...

Exactly

 

[No1Suspect]

Yep agree with those names. If Elijah can keep on his current trajectory then I think he can end up on this list by seasons end but everyone else is in the block.

A huge turnover at seasons end is required. We have to tap into every option…free agents, under age draft and the mature age secondary league market.

Agresta is gone now so hopefully we can get someone better at recruitment. Wright needs to make a decision on Austin because the list manager role is critical.

IMO we sack Voss during the bye, let the caretaker assess this list, then select a new coach before seasons end with a clear view of the players he wants for his regime.

Cripps needs to stand down as captain. Walsh is the natural selection. We need 100% alignment between CEO, Football Manager, List Manager, Coach and Captain.

Tbh, i think weiters should be, great leader and happily pulls players into line as well. Something we severely lack. I dont quite think Walsh has that presence or bravado if you will.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Exactly

Well I'd rather have an explosive, accumulator with an elite tank and ability to break lines over someone like Cerra. Who's disposal is only marginally better, has no ability to break the lines and is constantly injured.

 

[BlueTongue]

Bailey Smith currently carving up for Geelong, and has something that we severely lack at Carlton which is break away speed and ability to explode from the contest.

Obviously Geelong have the "country-side" vibe and the Cotton On Cash, that meant we were likely never a chance at landing him, but he was traded for what was effectively Pick #17. Can't help but feel like we missed a trick in not pursuing that trade more.

I suspect it was actually one of our Club's most notable flaws - which is our inability to accept any player with a shred of an image problem - that held us back from pursuing him, rather than any football rationale.

Until we stop being a soft-corporate Club, we will continue to fail.

Bailey Smith is EXACTLY the type of player we need, even to the point of his dickhead traits. We have no outright extroverts with mongrel and it's about time we went and got one.

 

[JJBagger]

Well I'd rather have an explosive, accumulator with an elite tank and ability to break lines over someone like Cerra. Who's disposal is only marginally better, has no ability to break the lines and is constantly injured.

I’m saying our current setup makes a 2x Brownlow medallist look rubbish. Do you think Smith would be playing to the level he’s at right now if he’s at Carlton?

 

[JaggasMoves]

I’m saying our current setup makes a 2x Brownlow medallist look rubbish. Do you think Smith would be playing to the level he’s at right now if he’s at Carlton?

Do you rate any players apart from the ones on our list or should we not even discuss players for the upcoming trade period either?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I’m saying our current setup makes a 2x Brownlow medallist look rubbish. Do you think Smith would be playing to the level he’s at right now if he’s at Carlton?

Regardless, we need to transition our midfield into one that is competitive in the modern explosive game and Bailey Smith at 25 years old (now, 24 when traded) would have been a perfect acquisition.

 

[BluStreak]

 

[Soapy V]

Regardless, we need to transition our midfield into one that is competitive in the modern explosive game and Bailey Smith at 25 years old (now, 24 when traded) would have been a perfect acquisition.

Jagga Walsh Walker Ison Lord is a potential good midfield combination. If we can add some outside run we are in a good spot

Butters would be perfect but way too expensive.

Wilson is more of a HB but has the traits an I’m hoping Motlop under a good Coach can step up

IMO we only need one like a young Smith to really transform us. Zac Bailey would be great

Key for me is still more structure than talent

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Jagga Walsh Walker Ison Lord is a potential good midfield combination. If we can add some outside run we are in a good spot

Butters would be perfect but way too expensive.

Wilson is more of a HB but has the traits an I’m hoping Motlop under a good Coach can step up

IMO we only need one like a Young Smith to really transform us

Key for me is still more structure than talent

I do like Jagga, Walsh and Walker. Walker has the ability to explode from contest but maybe not the raw top end pace of some of the games stand-outs at the moment. I don't know much about Ison too be honest, is he explosive?

 

[Soapy V]

I do like Jagga, Walsh and Walker. Walker has the ability to explode from contest but maybe not the raw top end pace of some of the games stand-outs at the moment. I don't know much about Ison too be honest, is he explosive?

He’s not explosive but an elite ball user. More a Pendlebury/Bont type as opposed to a quick runner

I’ll take ball use over leg speed any day

 

[FlowersByIrene]

He’s not explosive but an elite ball user. More a Pendlebury/Bont type as opposed to a quick runner

I’ll take ball use over leg speed any day

One of the main parts you actually need leg speed for is defense. We just keep having the ball walked out of the contest by guys we can't catch - like Kozzy Pickett. So it's a non-ball in hand thing as well.

But sounds good. Hopefully he comes on.