2nd 1/4's

[ams4crows]

so I was looking at some stats the other day and came across this

http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/alltime.php?t2=&yrfm=1991&yrto=2008&gnd=0&inat=5&gms=0

we are the best a winning the 2nd 1/4 than any other team in the comp! It doesn't suprise me we generally play well we've won 237 out of 418

i'm sure your all aware of our 3rd 1/4 fade outs we've only won 207 out of 418 that drops us back to 6th

just an interesting tit bit for you all! enjoy!

 

[SAAndy]

Yeah I think that we have and ok 1st quarter a brilliant 2nd quarter a not so good 3rd quarter and a slightly above ok 4th quarter

 

[Deaneus!]

so I was looking at some stats the other day and came across this

http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/alltime.php?t2=&yrfm=1991&yrto=2008&gnd=0&inat=5&gms=0

we are the best a winning the 2nd 1/4 than any other team in the comp! It doesn't suprise me we generally play well we've won 237 out of 418

i'm sure your all aware of our 3rd 1/4 fade outs we've only won 207 out of 418 that drops us back to 6th

just an interesting tit bit for you all! enjoy!

Interesting yes, but not reflective of a larger trend. Our #1 ranking (woo-hoo!) is really not more than a statistical anomaly - it's over 18 seasons, with a multitude of different players, five coaches and who knows how many gameplans. If anything, it suggests over that period we've been a fairly successful club, which isn't surprising (2 premierships and we've only missed the finals a few times). I'd find it more interesting to do that same analysis for maybe each coach... i will try now:

for second quarters only (W/L/D):

Cornes '91 - '94: 49/39/1 = 55.62% (4th)

Shaw '95 - '96: 24/18/2 = 56.82% (5th)

Blight '97 - '99: 44/30/0 = 59.46% (2nd)

Ayres '00 - '04: 59/57/0 = 50.86% (5th)

Craig '05 - '08: 61/33/1 = 64.74% (1st)

Which tells us what most of us/some of us/i believe - Shaw and Ayres shouldn't have coached us, whilst Blighty was the second coming and Craig is the man. Cornes gets the free pass since he was the inaugural coach. This however assumes that the benchmarks in the competition know as 'other teams' remained steady, which it didn't (for instance, Cornes got 4th with 55.62% whilst Shaw got 5th with 56.82%), and the Crows list remained evenly talented throughout, which we know it didn't.

But yeah, still interesting!

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It has seemed to me that over the Ayres and Craig years when we win a quarter we only win it by narrow margins and don't put the game beyond doubt. For periods of games we control possession, have lots of forward fifty entries but don't register our domination on the scoreboard. Anyone else feel this way?

Or is this just one of those things that every single footy fan believes to be 100% true about their own team? When it could be equally true of all the other clubs.

Like why do we always get the bad bounces? And why does Darren Goldspink hate us so much?

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

It is probably because we have poor starts in a lot of games and make up for it in the 2nd quarter.

 

[ams4crows]

something a little more concerning we're 9th for winning the 4th 1/4 that's the one you want to win the most!

 

[adelaide_40]

It has seemed to me that over the Ayres and Craig years when we win a quarter we only win it by narrow margins and don't put the game beyond doubt. For periods of games we control possession, have lots of forward fifty entries but don't register our domination on the scoreboard. Anyone else feel this way?

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I agree with this, look at the Collingwood rd 15 and final game last year we controlled possesion but didnt bury them when we should of IMO.

 

[Crow-mo]

i'm more concerned by the poor performance in the 3rd quarter, which comes after the half time break (obviously). in that this is when adjustments are made, and motivation is refreshed.

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

i'm more concerned by the poor performance in the 3rd quarter, which comes after the half time break (obviously). in that this is when adjustments are made, and motivation is refreshed.

Its the Premiership quarter.

 

[Geoffa32]

i'm more concerned by the poor performance in the 3rd quarter, which comes after the half time break (obviously). in that this is when adjustments are made, and motivation is refreshed.

Last year Craigy tried to fix this, remeber the breaking up of training into halves.

Did it improve anything?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Last year Craigy tried to fix this, remeber the breaking up of training into halves.

Did it improve anything?

No.

Because we practiced what we did during our half time break, rather than focusing on fixing the skill level, decision making, handling pressure and other problems that were causing us to have poor third quarters in the first place.

The third quarter is the premiership quarter - intensity steps up a notch but it is before the real tiredness sets in. Any problems or deficiencies you have get magnified during this period of the game.

 

[beartoo]

I agree with what Carl says. It does seem that we often dominate on the ground and not on the scoreboard. It might be difficult to back that up with stats, as it can depend on when possessions are gathered. For example if you dominate the first 2 quarters of a game, you should have put it beyond reach of the opposition--or at least you have a score to defend if you run out of gas.
Do any of you superdooper statisticians have info on our possession rate as opposed to other teams' possession rates under Craig?

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

No.

Because we practiced what we did during our half time break, rather than focusing on fixing the skill level, decision making, handling pressure and other problems that were causing us to have poor third quarters in the first place.

The third quarter is the premiership quarter - intensity steps up a notch but it is before the real tiredness sets in. Any problems or deficiencies you have get magnified during this period of the game.

Do you really think the side spent every single minute of their training time practicing the half time break? Unlikely.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Do you really think the side spent every single minute of their training time practicing the half time break? Unlikely.

I was being a bit facetious.

But the big innovation was that we were incorporating a 20 minute break into our main training sessions to better help us cope with the half time break in games.

I would have preferred us to use that 20 minutes to practice our field kicking!

 

[Moonwatcher]

we are 195 pts away from recording 40K pts in the clubs regular/finals history. Ill be cheering (hopefully rnd 2)

 

[Crow-mo]

The third quarter is the premiership quarter - intensity steps up a notch but it is before the real tiredness sets in. Any problems or deficiencies you have get magnified during this period of the game.

its where the real adjustments are made, and the die is re-cast.

including by the opposition...

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

I was being a bit facetious.

But the big innovation was that we were incorporating a 20 minute break into our main training sessions to better help us cope with the half time break in games.

I would have preferred us to use that 20 minutes to practice our field kicking!

Meh, 20 minutes once or twice a week is unlikely to improve their field kicking that much given how much time they spend training...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Meh, 20 minutes once or twice a week is unlikely to improve their field kicking that much given how much time they spend training...

And having a 20 minute breather once or twice a week during training is unlikely to improve our third quarters one iota. As evidenced by last season.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

its where the real adjustments are made, and the die is re-cast.

including by the opposition...

The premiership quarter has been the premiership quarter forever and a day. Even before tactics, game plans and positional moves came into vogue.

 

[Crow-mo]

The premiership quarter has been the premiership quarter forever and a day. Even before tactics, game plans and positional moves came into vogue.

ok that's just rubbish now.

you're not for a second trying to pretend a relative newly cliche about the 3rd quarter precedes the most basic elements of the game are you?

 

[*PAF]

What it shows is that Craig is a reactive coach.
Blight went pro active come finals time and caught sides out, Craig has yet to do that and it's debatable if he is capable of it.

An interesting point that will not come as a surprise to anyone, is that since 2004 you have won 17 games more than us during the season proper, only 5 games short of a full season, yet we have scored more goals than you during the same period.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

ok that's just rubbish now.

you're not for a second trying to pretend a relative newly cliche about the 3rd quarter precedes the most basic elements of the game are you?

Merely pointing out that it is the tactical evolution of the game which is the relatively new phenomenon, not the importance of the third quarter to the result of the contest.

Even up until the mid 90's the half time break consisted of Alan Joyce barking "I can't pull on a f___in' guernsey and get out there for you!" at his players.

Heck, there wasn't even an interchange bench until relatively recently. The game of chess we now see in the coaches box, moves and counter-moves and "die re-casting" is 10 times more prevalent today than 20, 30, 40 years ago apart from a handful of isolated examples (handball, handball, handball).

 

[Crow-mo]

Merely pointing out that it is the tactical evolution of the game which is the relatively new phenomenon, not the importance of the third quarter to the result of the contest.

Even up until the mid 90's the half time break consisted of Alan Joyce barking "I can't pull on a f___in' guernsey and get out there for you!" at his players.

Heck, there wasn't even an interchange bench until relatively recently. The game of chess we now see in the coaches box, moves and counter-moves and "die re-casting" is 10 times more prevalent today than 20, 30, 40 years ago apart from a handful of isolated examples (handball, handball, handball).

that's crap. the end

 

[Big Gazoongas]

What it shows is that Craig is a reactive coach.
Blight went pro active come finals time and caught sides out, Craig has yet to do that and it's debatable if he is capable of it.

An interesting point that will not come as a surprise to anyone, is that since 2004 you have won 17 games more than us during the season proper, only 5 games short of a full season, yet we have scored more goals than you during the same period.[/quote]


So your mob have scored more than us, and!!!.
Without knowing the stats I would say the Power have also conceded more points than the Crows, can you give us the stats on that???

What point are you trying to make. Are you saying that because Craig is a reactive coach that's why we can't kick higher scores.

I would say the reason we haven't had the ability to kick higher scores is because we don't have a dominant forward (or 2). Having said that I think we did pretty well in 2005.

 

[*PAF]

... Are you saying that because Craig is a reactive coach that's why we can't kick higher scores.
...

Yep.