Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[31550]

I think there might be a midline between a lost child and "foul play"

Foul play would include lying about a child being lost. A child is missing, most likely deceased. Any deceit or concealment of facts or evidence concerning this occurrence is foul play IMO. It seems most likely a crime of some type has been committed.

 

[CodyRose]

Explain the logic behind the public assertion, "We do not suspect foul play" then.

What do they suspect?

? an accident

 

[Cataholic]

? an accident

Which, in this scenario, is deliberately being concealed.

 

[dc3]

Foul play would include lying about a child being lost. A child is missing, most likely deceased. Any receipt or concealment of facts or evidence concerning this occurrence is foul play IMO. It seems most likely a crime of some type has been committed.

Yep imagine the moral compass of a parent to be so selfish to think of themselves and think oh well let’s cover it up

I’d be beside myself and cop whatever’s coming to me

 

[CodyRose]

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www.police.sa.gov.au

Inspections complete.

Time to cross Wheal Motley off the list.

 

[Curious Clues]

It’s been 2 months, I take it Shannon isn’t getting in trouble for leaving her four year old grandson alone in a highly dangerous environment who then allegedly disappears into the ether. Why is it not considered child endangerment - failure to protect from harm, under the child abuse/neglect legislation. Seems like she gets assigned a victim support officer instead.

 

[CodyRose]

What are the police going to say now after conducting a scrutinising search and coming back with nothing?

Admit they haven't yet solved the mystery IMO

 

[CodyRose]

Addiction?
Where is the mum?
I hope they are talking to her frequently

Mum might be understandably depressed about what has happened and be receiving private professional help.

 

[Underarrest_]

Maybe the family don’t know what happened. Grandma Shannon was meant to be the one with the children. Maybe she was.
I could think of many reasons why an accident if that happened might be concealed.

 

[CodyRose]

You said you heard from two different reliable sources that his mother, Jess, was not meant to be anywhere near Gus without supervision. What is the background to that?

The claim is that she was working 10km away when Gus disappeared. Where was she living, if not at the homestead?

Maybe she could stay at home under supervision, and get some help with Ronnie, and Gran was Gus's carer.

 

[CodyRose]

If the boundary to other places that people might visit is only 5.5 kms away, there’s an increased chance that someone might have been on the property. Maybe a bike.
More likely than by the 20 or so km road someone would have had to come down.
Maybe Grandma Shannon fell asleep with the little one for a bit and didn’t hear anything. IMO.

There are organized sheep rustlers active in South Australia. If Jess and Josie were fixing fences due to having lost some sheep, perhaps there were others on the property over that time.

 

[shorsky]

Explain the logic behind the public assertion, "We do not suspect foul play" then.

What do they suspect?

About now I reckon they don’t know what to suspect

 

[Underarrest_]

There are organized sheep rustlers active in South Australia. If Jess and Josie were fixing fences due to having lost some sheep, perhaps there were others on the property over that time.

Police might have confirmed somehow that Jess and Josie were where they said which is maybe why it’s a mystery.

 

[Cataholic]

There are organized sheep rustlers active in South Australia. If Jess and Josie were fixing fences due to having lost some sheep, perhaps there were others on the property over that time.

It's a leap from sheep rustling to kidnapping.

 

[CodyRose]

It's a leap from sheep rustling to kidnapping.

Just another brainstorming hypothetical avenue of thought - maybe Gus was taken as insurance by Rustlers?

 

[Wallace52]

Just another brainstorming hypothetical avenue of thought - maybe Gus was taken as insurance by Rustlers?

How does that work? Can you explain?

It’s an interesting proposition. Poor little kid.

 

[31550]

People are going to speculate regardless of what is or isn’t said, there’s no pleasing you.

Nice deflection. But people are not speculating because of anything I said. Nor am I one of the people speculating.
I am merely questioning the tactics and words used by police because they are inconsistent.

These things are decisions made by police or their bosses, not me.

As you say, folks will speculate. But the current actions and words of police only increase speculation. If this annoys you, as it seems to, don't blame me. I am not hear to please you, or be pleased.

 

[31550]

It's a leap from sheep rustling to kidnapping.

It's a leap from a missing child to sheep rustling IMO.

 

[mrskafoops]

I want to know what they were using the trommel for.
Someone said for the lawn but why would you dig a godamn big hole for that.
What is/was going to go where the hole is?

If they don't find Gus in the mine shafts what next do you think?
I have read a theory which makes complete sense to me.
That theory didn't say where Gus has ended up, more about why he became missing

Is that the theory that he was sold to pay family debt? That’s a popular one.

 

[Underarrest_]

It’s been 2 months, I take it Shannon isn’t getting in trouble for leaving her four year old grandson alone in a highly dangerous environment who then allegedly disappears into the ether. Why is it not considered child endangerment - failure to protect from harm, under the child abuse/neglect legislation. Seems like she gets assigned a victim support officer instead.

Shannon might be a victim of crime herself.
Victim contact officers have a broad role.

 

[31550]

Shannon might be a victim of crime herself.
Victim contact officers have a broad role.

Let's not forget who the primary victim is in this case. If Shannon has suffered from a crime, then Shannon is quite capable of reporting it. Gus on the other hand is in no position to speak.

 

[Underarrest_]

Let's not forget who the primary victim is in this case. If Shannon has suffered from a crime, then Shannon is quite capable of reporting it. Gus on the other hand is in no position to speak.

You’re assuming Gus is being forgotten as the victim in this case.
It doesn’t mean there can’t be other cases of victimisation. Police would have to have an understanding of family dynamics when investigating their case.

 

[passball]

Is that the theory that he was sold to pay family debt? That’s a popular one.

I hadn't thought of that one but unfortunately it actually does happen in the world we live in

 

[passball]

I know the veracity of sources is always questionable unless proveable, but my source is usually valid and reliable. When child custody is in question, sometimes a parent may be given custody of a child/children, but not necessarly another offspring. When support agencies are involved in 'at risk' situations, it can be very challenging to monitor any arrangements, much more so in remote areas. Family services are already in disarray in cities, with workers sometimes never seeing a child for months, sometimes never.

Are you suggesting that Gus was in some kind of care, maybe kinship, but his brother wasn't? I might be reading this wrong.
Is Joshua Lamont the dad of both children?

 

[Curious Clues]

Shannon might be a victim of crime herself.
Victim contact officers have a broad role.

At this point of weirdness I guess anything is possible. Maybe Shannon has been coercively controlled by a family member.
Is she a victim of elder abuse or domestic violence? Does she have a diagnosis of dementia, memory impairment? Should she have been left alone with the sole responsibility for 2 very young and vulnerable children at her age? That’s if in fact she was the only one allegedly looking after the children, but it’s the story they are telling.
People may say it’s victim blaming of the older lady. But, hypothetically, if Gus had fallen from farm equipment that Shannon was driving and he died, she could be charged with manslaughter and sent to prison. She would not be considered a victim of crime or be provided support from a victim contact officer. IMO thinking outside the box only.