Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[Underarrest_]

IMO it comes down to a risk vs reward strategy. Or best case vs worst case.

The best case scenario is that Gus is found alive and well. How would that happen? Experts have already said he couldn't have possibly survived this long alone. So, it could only happen if somebody took him from the property and hasn't hurt him (yet). That's the best possible outcome. So the questions police should be asking are:

• Who might have possibly taken him?
• Where would someone have taken him?

Of course, he may never be found. That's a worse scenario. Or he may be eventually found somewhere on the property - that's the scenario police seem to be focussing on.

But the absolute worst case scenario I can imagine is that Gus is eventually found to have been taken by somebody who may have hurt him and eventually killed him, but not immediately - meaning if police had found Gus earlier he might have survived.

Right now police should be trying to avoid, or at least eliminate the possibility of a worst-case scenario.

You’re right.
Maybe police know for some reason that he was on the property and wasn’t taken off the property.
I probably sound like a drag but especially with what happened to their family on the adjacent property, they could have some sort of security somewhere even on the gates. I did think of a motorbike through broken fences but maybe there wasn’t any to get in or out.
Or maybe police are waiting for phone data, not that it will help if whoever took him if this is the case, didn’t have a phone on them.
Police did ask for public information when Gus’s photo came out but they don’t seem to be pushing it.

 

[madjoe]

The WA Police found Cleo in 17 days. Why are SAPOL so slow?

They got her due to a phone ping, do people not follow cases and see how hard it is ? without that ping who knows how long it takes. greg lynn was caught on a toll camera without that he'd be a free man.

 

[MP_]

It took a few days but the WA police eventually declared that Cleo Smith had been abducted. So then the investigation shifted to looking for evidence of who might have taken her and an appeal to the public for information. The breakthrough came when witnesses reported a car in the area on the night she disappeared.

So far, SAPOL have stated that there are no suspicious circumstances in Gus Lamont's disappearance. If they are to be believed they are just searching for him, not looking for evidence of a crime.

The police could also be stating that there isn’t a crime in hopes of flushing out some information from anyone potentially involved because they think they are safe. I’m sure like most of us here they privately wouldn’t be ruling out foul play.

 

[CodyRose]

Fair enough. Should just give up then I suppose?

No, an open mind is essential and everyones input helps. I read that the family was well known in the local gymkana/horses scene. They helped out etc. So locals would be familiar with the family and may have seen Gus

 

[CodyRose]

How big is the bloody snake that you need to shoot it in the first place?

Missed shots could/might ricochet off the verandah into and through bushes. Very dangerous

 

[DemurePrincess]

Missed shots could/might ricochet off the verandah into and through bushes. Very dangerous

Doesn’t really make sense to me why you would even be bringing a gun out for a snake.

For this exact reason… and don’t we have gun laws or does it not apply to these people?

 

[CodyRose]

Great delving

Very interesting interview. She reported that todays wind is similar as that in the 1940's, She said the wind can"pick-up country and blow it away". Maybe Gus's footprints were just lifted and blown away.

 

[MP_]

Doesn’t really make sense to me why you would even be bringing a gun out for a snake.

For this exact reason… and don’t we have gun laws or does it not apply to these people?

Pretty common our way to dispose of a snake with a gun but I also think it was used as a warning to reporters. It was very convenient timing.

 

[Collie_wobbles]

The owner Joy lives in a nursing home currently, as she is 91 years old.

Joy and Shannon Murray are sisters.

Maybe Joy's daughter Sally Betty lives there now?

Imo

Joy and Shannon are not sister's. Shannon's mum Clair was Joy's sister's.

 

[CodyRose]

Doesn’t really make sense to me why you would even be bringing a gun out for a snake.

For this exact reason… and don’t we have gun laws or does it not apply to these people?

Seems this is how Josie likes to kill snakes. Probably no one to see out there whether one keeps to the gun laws or not.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Can someone help me about search dogs. They are remarkable animals, able to sniff out faint trails along the ground, or 'air sniff' to find people. If Gus had simply wandered off wouldn't the dogs have been able to find him?

 

[CodyRose]

Maybe the two families visit each other, have children, Grandchildren who go to each other’s properties.

Know the secret places even

 

[MP_]

Can someone help me about search dogs. They are remarkable animals, able to sniff out faint trails along the ground, or 'air sniff' to find people. If Gus had simply wandered off wouldn't the dogs have been able to find him?

You referring to cadaver dogs?

 

[DemurePrincess]

Can someone help me about search dogs. They are remarkable animals, able to sniff out faint trails along the ground, or 'air sniff' to find people. If Gus had simply wandered off wouldn't the dogs have been able to find him?

Exactly! Search and rescue dog smell by scent in the air so could be difficult if not in range however a cadaver dog would detect very easily a body

 

[the_navyblue]

This is so damn sad and uncanny I`m not closed to the possibility of something happening that belongs to realms outside everyday, rational experience. There have been such cases, rare as they are.

On the balance of probability there`s been human involvement. I know how I`d feel if I had nothing to do with a child member of my family disappearing so strangely - anybody under those circumstances who is innocent would feel terrible enough without others blaming them.

However, a family member or members knowing what happened because one or more were involved is a possibility that can`t be ruled out. Of course the police are not talking publicly about that possibility for a number of reasons including this is how good detective work is done. The extensive searching has found nothing, a plausible reason is something happened to Gus and he was taken away by somebody who is not part of the family or somebody who is.

For me the lack of footprints, clothing, some significant physical evidence in tracks apart from fox tracks etc indicates Gus could have been physically lifted into a vehicle and taken off the property. And I don`t think a questioning of the timeframe narrative can be ruled out if what in fact the police are dealing with is a suspected crime.

It`s possible Gus `disappeared`well before the authorities were notified. Such as in timelines like a week before or more. That would explain the lack of evidence. It`s hard to think of this but family/friends/acquaintances are often involved in missing children`s cases. There have been cases where children were accidentally killed, the fact concealed and the situation being reported as a disappearance.

The police have to be considering this, bad as the implications are.

 

[DemurePrincess]

This is so damn sad and uncanny I`m not closed to the possibility of something happening that belongs to realms outside everyday, rational experience. There have been such cases, rare as they are.

On the balance of probability there`s been human involvement. I know how I`d feel if I had nothing to do with a child member of my family disappearing so strangely - anybody under those circumstances who is innocent would feel terrible enough without others blaming them.

However, a family member or members knowing what happened because one or more were involved is a possibility than can`t be ruled out. Of course the police are not talking publicly about that possibility for a number of reasons including this is how good detective work is done. The extensive searching has found nothing, a plausible reason is something happened to Gus and he was taken away by somebody who is not part of the family or somebody who is.

For me the lack of footprints, clothing, some significant physical evidence in tracks apart from fox tracks etc indicates Gus could have been physically lifted into a vehicle and taken off the property. And I don`t think a questioning of the timeframe narrative can be ruled out if what in fact the police are dealing with is a suspected crime.

It`s possible Gus `disappeared`well before the authorities were notified. Such as in timelines like a week before or more. That would explain the lack of evidence. It`s hard to think of this but family/friends/acquaintances are often involved in missing children`s cases. There have been cases where children were accidentally killed, the fact concealed and the situation being reported as a disappearance.

The police have to be considering this, bad as the implications are.

I absolutely agree with you. The lack of anything really suggests to me he was long gone before the police/search even began. Plenty of time to cover up, move or whatever this poor kid but the fact it’s been this long without any sort of clues or leads is sus as ****

 

[Frank Bunn]

You referring to cadaver dogs?

No. I mean in the early days when Gus might have been alive. It was claimed they knew his last known location. Start the dogs there and see where they led. What happened?

 

[DemurePrincess]

For all we know young Gus could have been moved to a new location, living his best life secretly. That’s what I am actually hoping than thinking the worst but without anything…. Will we ever know?

 

[CodyRose]

Can someone help me about search dogs. They are remarkable animals, able to sniff out faint trails along the ground, or 'air sniff' to find people. If Gus had simply wandered off wouldn't the dogs have been able to find him?

Search dogs have a very limited time range before they can't smell the human scent - 30 hrs, but some can follow even after 30 hrs. The environment also can affect the dogs ability, especially wind, temperature and humidity, handler's skills, & scent strength ti name a few. for example if the person had been gone 3 months, a search dog would not be the optimal choice. Whereas human cadaver dogs can locate bodies for many years and decades. I read one cadaver dog located a 25 yr old skeleton. I think the search authorities used the scent dogs initially.

 

[Lady O]

Dogs would have found him

Dogs?

 

[Wallace52]

Doesn’t really make sense to me why you would even be bringing a gun out for a snake.

For this exact reason… and don’t we have gun laws or does it not apply to these people?

Our gun laws don't apply to Josie. And we have seen that backed up by SAPOL.

She might kill someone one day, I'm truly concerned that might happen.

Imo

Just for context: Neighbour Joy's husband was killed in an accidental shooting during a fox hunt. That is a fact.

 

[Wallace52]

with what happened to their family on the adjacent property, they could have some sort of security somewhere even on the gates.

They could have, they should have but they don't.

 

[Lady O]

Can someone help me about search dogs. They are remarkable animals, able to sniff out faint trails along the ground, or 'air sniff' to find people. If Gus had simply wandered off wouldn't the dogs have been able to find him?

Today is the first I heard that there were dogs. Do you have information or are you supposing?

 

[Wallace52]

Today is the first I heard that there were dogs. Do you have information or are you supposing?

We have seen photos of Josie with dogs.

 

[Wallace52]

Cleo was a girl. There was a public appeal (for help) by her parents. The media were all over it.

Why haven't Gus' family appealed to the public????