Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[Wallace52]

Now we have all lost the vigour

Now we all have lost the vigour and resolve to fight poor Gus has been failed by SAPOL and I must now say his family

As former Australian PM Gough Whitlam once said:

“Maintain your rage and enthusiasm…”

Transcript 31860 | PM Transcripts

pmtranscripts.pmc.gov.au

Although this was in reference to his dismissal speech on the steps of Parliament House, it’s something that can and must be done, if we are to have a hope at finding young Gus Lamont.

IMO

 

[DropBearess]

Now we have all lost the vigour

Now we all have lost the vigour and resolve to fight poor Gus has been failed by SAPOL and I must now say his family

We shouldn't give up on little Gus yet. I suspect there are still a few stones to be turned. Hopefully it won't be long.

 

[passball]

A neighbour's pitbull jumped my metre high fences x2 and attacked one of my very valuable dogs one day. These neighbours had gone for a walk with the dog off leash. I chased the dog away and went out the front and threatened to shoot the dog if it ever came onto my property again. No apology by the way. I didn't mean it, don't even own a gun, but if I owned one it might have been given a shake in the neighbour's direction that day but I very much doubt it. It was stressful seeing the dog being attacked especially in the safety of our yard.

If news crews came onto my property after being warned not to or didn't leave when asked I'd be pretty darn threatening I think, especially when under this kind of stress. Waving a shotty in their direction is the wrong thing to do but I see why it can happen. To me it's not a big deal, just another case of onlookers and media making a mountain out of a mole hill. People have a right to privacy regardless of what the nosey general public thinks.

Jonica Bray and the photographer are nothing at all like the actual real danger of a pitbull and one that is off leash.
What a scary and horrible incident for you and your dog

 

[passball]

We shouldn't give up on little Gus yet. I suspect there are still a few stones to be turned. Hopefully it won't be long.

How many stones do you think are on that property?

Not only is the question
WHERE IS GUS?
but also
WHERE IS GUS'S MUM?

 

[Jim Cricket]

Jonica Bray and the photographer are nothing at all like the actual real danger of a pitbull and one that is off leash.
What a scary and horrible incident for you and your dog

Maybe but the stress for Gus's family may have been greater than the stress I felt that day so I can understand why it might happen, especially if the snake story's true.

 

[passball]

Maybe but the stress for Gus's family may have been greater than the stress I felt that day so I can understand why it might happen, especially if the snake story's true.

I no doubt think that the family was stressed but stressed for what reason is another question.
Was the snake story true? Mmm.
One thing though, i will never understand why Gus's mum and dad have never spoken with the media, and i never will. To me they are hiding, not private.

I am following 3 cases on Bigfooty.
One is where foster carer names and their family are suppressed.
One where a rapist and his family name was suppressed.
And Gus's, where his family names are not suppressed but the mum has not been seen and the family have not been heard.
And in all 3 cases these people, we are told, are to be upstanding citizens who would never do wrong.
Sounds like there's a snake in all 3

 

[passball]

Make that 4.
Bondi

 

[winyhill]

How many stones do you think are on that property?

Not only is the question
WHERE IS GUS?
but also
WHERE IS GUS'S MUM?

IMO it is none of our business where she is. Obviously the Police know and are keeping the family updated. But for all we know she may be at the homestead still and just staying inside when media are present.
She is grieving and is entitled to privacy. The public is NOT entitled to demand she grieve in public.

 

[passball]

IMO it is none of our business where she is. Obviously the Police know and are keeping the family updated. But for all we know she may be at the homestead still and just staying inside when media are present.
She is grieving and is entitled to privacy. The public is NOT entitled to demand she grieve in public.

From what I have seen from your posts I get the feeling you are all for suppression orders,
As in both The Rapist and William Tyrrell's cases they haven't really gone down too well.
Also strange that on crime forums you are fine not knowing anything

 

[31550]

IMO it is none of our business where she is. Obviously the Police know and are keeping the family updated. But for all we know she may be at the homestead still and just staying inside when media are present.
She is grieving and is entitled to privacy. The public is NOT entitled to demand she grieve in public.

Of course the privacy of parents and guardians is important, and is protected by laws, whether they are grieving or not.

The life, health and wellbeing of a young child is also important.

Parents and guardians have legal duties and responsibilities.

At this stage there is evidence indicating that Gus is either dead, or has been transported against his will, or the will of his parents/guardians. That is, there is evidence that a serious crime has probably been committed.

Police must now thoroughly investigate and determine if there is prima facie evidence of any crime. Possible crimes might include criminal neglect, reckless indifference, or an unlawful act leading to Gus being moved from the property.

I am unclear as to whether Gus was under some sort of guardianship arrangement, but guardians generally have additional legal obligations responsibilities, such as reporting of medical events and serious injuries, following safety advice, and (in some cases) specific court instructions. If Gus was under such arrangement, these obligations also need to be investigated in case a crime may have been committed.

 

[winyhill]

From what I have seen from your posts I get the feeling you are all for suppression orders,

Rubbish, I hate suppression orders. What suppression orders are there in this case?

At this stage there is evidence indicating that Gus is either dead, or has been transported against his will, or the will of his parents/guardians. That is, there is evidence that a serious crime has probably been committed.

Police must now thoroughly investigate and determine if there is prima facie evidence of any crime. Possible crimes might include criminal neglect, reckless indifference, or an unlawful act leading to Gus being moved from the property.

Rubbish, there is no evidence (that the members of this forum have) that indicates any such thing. I acknowledge it is a possibility, but there is no evidence whatsoever that any crime has been committed.
IMO, he has wandered and perished and the body has not yet been located. Remember the 95,000 odd kms that searchers would have to walk to cover the ground thoroughly. There is still a lot of ground to cover.

 

[31550]

Rubbish, I hate suppression orders. What suppression orders are there in this case?



Rubbish, there is no evidence (that the members of this forum have) that indicates any such thing. I acknowledge it is a possibility, but there is no evidence whatsoever that any crime has been committed.
IMO, he has wandered and perished and the body has not yet been located. Remember the 95,000 odd kms that searchers would have to walk to cover the ground thoroughly. There is still a lot of ground to cover.

He did not wander off on his own and die of natural causes (exhaustion, starvation, dehydration, ...). His body would have been detected and found if he had.

He may have wandered off and died of misadventure (e.g. fallen down a mineshaft) but all the hazardous places (dams, shafts, machinery) within walking distance (and further) have now been examined and ruled out.

The only option left is human intervention in moving him somewhere against his will and without knowledge or consent from his parents, which indicates criminal activity. People do not pick up and move children by accident.

There is evidence that a crime (of some sort) has been committed, given by the facts that Gus is nowhere to be seen, and all hazardous places within walking distance have been searched and eliminated, and that search dogs detected no scent, and that indigenous trackers found no trace of him within walking distance.

There is a lot of ground to cover in finding what actually happened to Gus, but there is no doubt that he did not wander off and die of natural causes or misadventure.

 

[winyhill]

He did not wander off on his own and die of natural causes (exhaustion, starvation, dehydration, ...). His body would have been detected and found if he had.

He may have wandered off and died of misadventure (e.g. fallen down a mineshaft) but all the hazardous places (dams, shafts, machinery) within walking distance (and further) have now been examined and ruled out.

The only option left is human intervention in moving him somewhere against his will and without knowledge or consent from his parents, which indicates criminal activity. People do not pick up and move children by accident.

There is evidence that a crime (of some sort) has been committed, given by the facts that Gus is nowhere to be seen, and all hazardous places within walking distance have been searched and eliminated, and that search dogs detected no scent, and that indigenous trackers found no trace of him within walking distance.

There is a lot of ground to cover in finding what actually happened to Gus, but there is no doubt that he did not wander off and die of natural causes or misadventure.

Sorry, I disagree, you are confusing lack of evidence for one thing as being evidence of something else. That is not how the rules of evidence work.

 

[Underarrest_]

What if it’s something else?
and police and family are aware of another possibility if Gus isn’t found.

 

[31550]

Sorry, I disagree, you are confusing lack of evidence for one thing as being evidence of something else. That is not how the rules of evidence work.

That's ridiculous. Gus has been reported missing. Police could say there is no evidence of him being missing, so no need to investigate.

Imagine reporting your car stolen, and police suggesting that maybe you never owned a car, or maybe you lent it to a friend, or gave it away. There's no evidence it was actually stolen, so no crime to investigate. Where's your evidence it was stolen?

Gus is not capable of reporting a crime himself. There is reasonable cause to believe a serious crime has been committed, as there is no other provable explanation for his disappearance.

 

[Cataholic]

Sorry, I disagree, you are confusing lack of evidence for one thing as being evidence of something else. That is not how the rules of evidence work.

The complete and utter lack of a single piece of evidence to support the theory Gus wandered off doesn't prove another theory, but it does give credence to another theory being closer to the truth.

 

[KurtNeverDied]

The complete and utter lack of a single piece of evidence to support the theory Gus wandered off doesn't prove another theory, but it does give credence to another theory being closer to the truth.

The lack of any evidence and all places ticked off by police means that they can get a court order for surveillance, phone records etc.

Anyone is naive to think the police don't now lean towards foul play.

They are doing everything to stay on good terms with the family, including likely suggesting there was a snake to diffuse that event for the family.

The dam and mine search wasn't for if wandered into them, it was to check for a weighted down body or disposed evidence.

I could go into detail on how it's extremely unlikely he ever wandered off.

Excuses galore for the families lack of wanting anything to do with the media. Sometimes it's just exactly what it is. It's dodgy as.

I don't get how the father can search for one day/night and go back to Adelaide. If it was my son I wouldn't give a damn what Josie said and I'd stay. He too has pretty much told the media where to go.

I still think Gus had an accident and was covered up but my second theory probably seems a bit wacky to people.
Josh had someone take Gus back to a location in Adelaide out of protecting him at all costs. Perhaps the planned move for him, Gus and mother was called off.
Perhaps if the story is true that it was just Shannon there with the kids then perhaps she also could of helped Josh and felt Gus would also be safer away from Josie and Mum.

 

[Cataholic]

The lack of any evidence and all places ticked off by police means that they can get a court order for surveillance, phone records etc.

Anyone is naive to think the police don't now lean towards foul play.

They are doing everything to stay on good terms with the family, including likely suggesting there was a snake to diffuse that event for the family.

The dam and mine search wasn't for if wandered into them, it was to check for a weighted down body or disposed evidence.

I could go into detail on how it's extremely unlikely he ever wandered off.

Excuses galore for the families lack of wanting anything to do with the media. Sometimes it's just exactly what it is. It's dodgy as.

I don't get how the father can search for one day/night and go back to Adelaide. If it was my son I wouldn't give a damn what Josie said and I'd stay. He too has pretty much told the media where to go.

I still think Gus had an accident and was covered up but my second theory probably seems a bit wacky to people.
Josh had someone take Gus back to a location in Adelaide out of protecting him at all costs. Perhaps the planned move for him, Gus and mother was called off.
Perhaps if the story is true that it was just Shannon there with the kids then perhaps she also could of helped Josh and felt Gus would also be safer away from Josie and Mum.

I obviously don't know who, how, when or why but I am of the belief that human intervention was involved vs wandering off.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

The lack of any evidence and all places ticked off by police means that they can get a court order for surveillance, phone records etc.

Anyone is naive to think the police don't now lean towards foul play.

They are doing everything to stay on good terms with the family, including likely suggesting there was a snake to diffuse that event for the family.

The dam and mine search wasn't for if wandered into them, it was to check for a weighted down body or disposed evidence.

I could go into detail on how it's extremely unlikely he ever wandered off.

Excuses galore for the families lack of wanting anything to do with the media. Sometimes it's just exactly what it is. It's dodgy as.

I don't get how the father can search for one day/night and go back to Adelaide. If it was my son I wouldn't give a damn what Josie said and I'd stay. He too has pretty much told the media where to go.

I still think Gus had an accident and was covered up but my second theory probably seems a bit wacky to people.
Josh had someone take Gus back to a location in Adelaide out of protecting him at all costs. Perhaps the planned move for him, Gus and mother was called off.
Perhaps if the story is true that it was just Shannon there with the kids then perhaps she also could of helped Josh and felt Gus would also be safer away from Josie and Mum.

I agree.
How is it that he can reside in their expensive metropolitan property but he cant search the country property his Son is apparently missing on for more than 1 day.

Could it be that there was an accident, Gus has been laid to rest out there, they let him go out to say his goodbye's and he's currently being accommodated to keep hush?

 

[shorsky]

What if it’s something else?
and police and family are aware of another possibility if Gus isn’t found.

Interesting. Could you elaborate on the ‘something else’ please

 

[Underarrest_]

Interesting. Could you elaborate on the ‘something else’ please

One possibility is that there was someone else on the property at the time.

 

[dc3]

Make that 4.
Bondi

Yep poor Gus is now doomed a month away from original Australia Day prediction

The family are complicit

 

[dc3]

Rubbish, I hate suppression orders. What suppression orders are there in this case?



Rubbish, there is no evidence (that the members of this forum have) that indicates any such thing. I acknowledge it is a possibility, but there is no evidence whatsoever that any crime has been committed.
IMO, he has wandered and perished and the body has not yet been located. Remember the 95,000 odd kms that searchers would have to walk to cover the ground thoroughly. There is still a lot of ground to cover.

You cannot seriously believe this
You do understand there would be tell tale signs if he just wandered off and perished?

 

[passball]

One possibility is that there was someone else on the property at the time.

A sister??

 

[passball]

You cannot seriously believe this
You do understand there would be tell tale signs if he just wandered off and perished?

I have a feeling its connected to the mum, like the mum has a problem which might have created a problem.
No idea why I think this