some would say very generous for you!Vlastuin is almost always brilliant.
Ellis is almost always middling. (being generous)
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some would say very generous for you!Vlastuin is almost always brilliant.
Ellis is almost always middling. (being generous)
It's strange how when Vlastuin Broad Grimes Houli Short Astbury Cotchin Prestia and others stop and prop in our back half then go short and sideways they aren't momentum killers but when Ellis does he is.
Vlastuin is almost always brilliant.
Ellis is almost always middling. (being generous)
Well Prestia smashed them all game as he constantly turned 50/50 balls into attacking forays. 9 inside 50's! Ross got better as the game went. Edwards was good. But Cripps gets his hands on everything and had 37 possessions. Murphy had 29 and Curnow 34. So that would account for a good many, although apart from Murphy the other 2 had little hurt factor. The game was pretty even after 1/2 time and we rarely win clearances.Richmond got smashed in the contested possession, again, by a lowly carlton... Same as most weeks
Pretty embarrassing tbh.
Who is to blame?
Well Prestia smashed them all game as he constantly turned 50/50 balls into attacking forays. 9 inside 50's! Ross got better as the game went. Edwards was good. But Cripps gets his hands on everything and had 37 possessions. Murphy had 29 and Curnow 34. So that would account for a good many, although apart from Murphy the other 2 had little hurt factor. The game was pretty even after 1/2 time and we rarely win clearances.
Well Prestia smashed them all game as he constantly turned 50/50 balls into attacking forays. 9 inside 50's! Ross got better as the game went. Edwards was good. But Cripps gets his hands on everything and had 37 possessions. Murphy had 29 and Curnow 34. So that would account for a good many, although apart from Murphy the other 2 had little hurt factor. The game was pretty even after 1/2 time and we rarely win clearances.
And won all well. Perhaps getting first hands on the ball is not the be all and end all. It is our ability to spread out from the contests that sides struggle with. Once it gets in the hands of Edwards, Prestia, Lambert, Martin etc. it is to late. A bit like Anthony Miles, always got first hands on the ball, but never got much our of it because of his lack of spread and vision. Jack Graham also adds such heat that he makes opposition mids get rid of the ball quicker than they would like. Ross will help in there also.Got spanked in contested ball by Collingwood, Melbourne, GWS too
I watched most of the game but was a bit steaming so I can't really comment on how he went, his numbers are decent though.
But the first couple pages of the autopsy thread and Ellis keeps coming up for 'roast'.
And then it's the same 3 or 4 posters in here saying he played really well. When the main story outside this particular thread seems to be that he wasn't particularly good. Interesting.
Do the lovers actually watch Brando on game day or just look at the stats on there phone? Only positive I see with him in his running ability... bad luck he’s playing footy and not a marathon runner. The sooner he’s out of the side the better.
I would agree with that...Yep, they all do it, mostly they have to otherwise they would become 'turnover merchants' instead of 'momentum killers'. Brandon is more noticeable because he is in more space and his running action accentuates it just a little more. If anything kills him it is his decision making, but that's been improved a fair bit so far this season I would say. Not perfect, but no one can be.
This thread has become truly pathetic, embarrassing.
Equal 7th for contested possessions
People are allowed to have their opinions mate.
I’m currently in two minds about Ellis.
I’ll never call an AFL player soft, but there were some average efforts yesterday.
There was one bit of play where his lack of confidence and hesitation cost us a potential goal and turned the ball over to the blues.
He does some good thing, but he can be so frustrating to watch at times.
There are many elite runners in the game:
Curnow, Gibbons, Corbett, etc.
Gaff, Blicavs, Whitfield, etc.
Which category is bellis in?
He’s in the Richmond category.
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Do the lovers actually watch Brando on game day or just look at the stats on there phone? Only positive I see with him in his running ability... bad luck he’s playing footy and not a marathon runner. The sooner he’s out of the side the better.
thats a bit of a cop out he is no Gaff, Whitfield, imo
A grade running, not an A grade footballer. Even the biggest Ellis cultists wouldn't call him a grade, surely
How important is our running ability in relation to winning games ?
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So what
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How important is Brandos running ability in relation to winning games ?
Lambert, Ross, Edwards, Stack etc. will probable continue to run about with or without Ellis
So what was Ellis actually do? bring to the party?
running is good to an extent but he is offensively or defensively great
meters gained avg:
1 Bachar Houli 488.76
2 Dustin Martin 445.50
3 Dion Prestia 432.80
4 Jayden Short 432.00
5 Trent Cotchin 362.00
6 Shane Edwards 311.84
7 Nick Vlastuin 299.21
8 Kane Lambert 298.06
9 Jack Ross 293.67
10 Jack Graham 288.25
11 Kamdyn Mcintosh 285.44
12 Brandon Ellis 282.67
13 Connor Menadue 262.00
14 Liam Baker 249.50
15 Josh Caddy 244.54
16 Noah Balta 244.08
17 Shai Bolton 243.79
18 Jason Castagna 242.95
19 Jack Riewoldt 242.50
I think KiwiTiger mentioned the opposing wings and their roles...not sure it’s in this thread but pretty much inline with what RT laid out in terms of def trans on the skinny side and covering for others in fwd trans stuff.So what was Ellis actually do? bring to the party?
running is good to an extent but he is offensively or defensively great
meters gained avg:
1 Bachar Houli 488.76
2 Dustin Martin 445.50
3 Dion Prestia 432.80
4 Jayden Short 432.00
5 Trent Cotchin 362.00
6 Shane Edwards 311.84
7 Nick Vlastuin 299.21
8 Kane Lambert 298.06
9 Jack Ross 293.67
10 Jack Graham 288.25
11 Kamdyn Mcintosh 285.44
12 Brandon Ellis 282.67
13 Connor Menadue 262.00
14 Liam Baker 249.50
15 Josh Caddy 244.54
16 Noah Balta 244.08
17 Shai Bolton 243.79
18 Jason Castagna 242.95
19 Jack Riewoldt 242.50
No matter how you word your post it's still an opinion piece about your own bias regarding other poster's biases in regards to BEllis!lies lies and stats
contested possessions - Richmond - 2019 - averages
Prestia
Martin
Cotchin
Edwards
Lambert
Ross
Baker
Caddy
Vlastuin
Nankervis
It should be clear when people call Ellis soft it means he is soft by afl standards
obviously in ammos or park footy he'd be very tough by comparison.
Footy is a tough and scary game at times, there is no shame is being less tough as Vlastuin, Grimes, Cotchin etc. The question is does it become a liability (at AFL standards/level) and can we continue to carry him? If there were not options in the 2s then there would be no need for a debate.
Ellis was not good yesterday and for the fanbois to say otherwise show they are seriously biases. Maybe delusional.
Thank you btw for not deleting too much stuff and allowing discussion. #GoodGuyMods #NotTheGestapo