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[The Finger]

While a few of the variances in sucess between cross town rivals can be explained due to the size and population differances. Many dont seem to have a valid explanation.

Woori Yallock regular First Division Finalist and rarely if ever been relegated and have won flags in the last decade. There A Grade cricket side also have been a regular finals side and have tasted sucess recently. Woori strong juniors in both sports. Woori are regarded as one of the bigger clubs in the Yarra Valley.

While just over the hill in Seville they have been regulars in Div 2 for at least 20 years with a short but successful burst in DIV 1 in the late 90's. Sevilles A grade while having regular finals havnt won in a 20+ years.

Both Seville and Woori Yallock would be almost equal in size. But yet Woori have enjoyed far greater sucess.


Healesville compared to Yarra Glen is a no brainer although Heallesville are the proverbial under acheivers.

Warburton Millgrove at the end of the line youd think would struggle the most out of all clubs other than say Powelltown. But compared to there closest rival Yarra Junction they prevail on every level. Warburton have only played one season of Div 2 and in that season were premiers and champions?? Have won two Div one flags in the last 15 years. Also the A grade cricket side have won 6 of the last ten flags. Suprising when you think about it.

Yarra Junction on the other hand have only ventured into First Div briefly in the early 90's with a Div 2 flag way back in 1990. While there A grade cricket side havnt won a flag in 60 years apparently.

Upwey seem to have the advantage on Belgrave and have always been seen as the dominate force on that side of there mountain.

Any other examples or any theories as to why a short distance between towns can have such varied success?

 

[Monniehawk]

There you go, Finger!
Good post. You can say something interesting without resorting to the ridiculous.
Woori has always been a power and despite some small lapses, is a constant in terms of club culture. Your figures are pretty right as at 2006 Census for both Seville and Woori. Neither has a High School in the town.
Belgrave had a population of just over 4000 in 2006 (shading the Pubes at 1,100) while Upwey had nearly 7000, plus the distinct advantage of a High School. A strong club culture may also account for their stunning success.
Wandin/Wandin East was just over 2100, while Mt Evelyn with a huge pop. of 9,100 also has a High School.
Healesville was just over 7,000 in 2006 while neighbours Yarra Glen managed the bare 2,000. Healesville has the High School.
Monbulk's 2,700 gives it sway over Silvan (surprisingly over 1900!!) and Olinda (1600) but Monbulk has the High School.
Interesting to compare with Emerald's 6,135 which dwarfs both them and Gembrook (1,600). Emerald and Monbulk both have a High School.
Warby had nearly 2300 and Junction was not all that far behind with 1700, but the Eagles have the high school!
Kinglake's pop'n is over 400 more than Yea's 1052, but Yea has a High School.
The school is an important consideration because it does influence traffic into clubs.
Based on the school factor and population figures, it might mean that more could be expected of Emerald, Healesville and Belgrave. Mt Evelyn is interesting in that it has a very large population plus a school, but it is early days in the comp for them. Also the EFL/metro factor which monsters a few others in Olinda and Upwey. Anyone care to comment on Mt Ev?
Upwey has dominated over many years and the figures suggest that they should have done well. Healesville was an equal power a quarter century ago, but has dropped away since.
But the grand over-achiever is Woori, followed by Gembrook and then maybe Monbulk. Wandin also acquitted themselves very well over the years.
Minnow Powelltown (200 and no school) continues to defy logic to field teams. They must cause some embarrassment to a few other under-performing clubs.
So, population may be a big factor, but it appears that it is more how you manage what you have tha will determine success.

 

[Burnt out]

There you go, Finger!
Good post. You can say something interesting without resorting to the ridiculous.
Woori has always been a power and despite some small lapses, is a constant in terms of club culture. Your figures are pretty right as at 2006 Census for both Seville and Woori. Neither has a High School in the town.
Belgrave had a population of just over 4000 in 2006 (shading the Pubes at 1,100) while Upwey had nearly 7000, plus the distinct advantage of a High School. A strong club culture may also account for their stunning success.
Wandin/Wandin East was just over 2100, while Mt Evelyn with a huge pop. of 9,100 also has a High School.
Healesville was just over 7,000 in 2006 while neighbours Yarra Glen managed the bare 2,000. Healesville has the High School.
Monbulk's 2,700 gives it sway over Silvan (surprisingly over 1900!!) and Olinda (1600) but Monbulk has the High School.
Interesting to compare with Emerald's 6,135 which dwarfs both them and Gembrook (1,600). Emerald and Monbulk both have a High School.
Warby had nearly 2300 and Junction was not all that far behind with 1700, but the Eagles have the high school!
Kinglake's pop'n is over 400 more than Yea's 1052, but Yea has a High School.
The school is an important consideration because it does influence traffic into clubs.
Based on the school factor and population figures, it might mean that more could be expected of Emerald, Healesville and Belgrave. Mt Evelyn is interesting in that it has a very large population plus a school, but it is early days in the comp for them. Also the EFL/metro factor which monsters a few others in Olinda and Upwey. Anyone care to comment on Mt Ev?
Upwey has dominated over many years and the figures suggest that they should have done well. Healesville was an equal power a quarter century ago, but has dropped away since.
But the grand over-achiever is Woori, followed by Gembrook and then maybe Monbulk. Wandin also acquitted themselves very well over the years.
Minnow Powelltown (200 and no school) continues to defy logic to field teams. They must cause some embarrassment to a few other under-performing clubs.
So, population may be a big factor, but it appears that it is more how you manage what you have tha will determine success.

GEE alot of info, I could have made it alot easier, have good lookin netball side and the footy take care of its self LOL

 

[The Finger]

GEE alot of info, I could have made it alot easier, have good lookin netball side and the footy take care of its self LOL

Easy Big Fella easy.....

 

[McCavity]

There you go, Finger!
Good post. You can say something interesting without resorting to the ridiculous.
Woori has always been a power and despite some small lapses, is a constant in terms of club culture. Your figures are pretty right as at 2006 Census for both Seville and Woori. Neither has a High School in the town.
Belgrave had a population of just over 4000 in 2006 (shading the Pubes at 1,100) while Upwey had nearly 7000, plus the distinct advantage of a High School. A strong club culture may also account for their stunning success.
Wandin/Wandin East was just over 2100, while Mt Evelyn with a huge pop. of 9,100 also has a High School.
Healesville was just over 7,000 in 2006 while neighbours Yarra Glen managed the bare 2,000. Healesville has the High School.
Monbulk's 2,700 gives it sway over Silvan (surprisingly over 1900!!) and Olinda (1600) but Monbulk has the High School.
Interesting to compare with Emerald's 6,135 which dwarfs both them and Gembrook (1,600). Emerald and Monbulk both have a High School.
Warby had nearly 2300 and Junction was not all that far behind with 1700, but the Eagles have the high school!
Kinglake's pop'n is over 400 more than Yea's 1052, but Yea has a High School.
The school is an important consideration because it does influence traffic into clubs.
Based on the school factor and population figures, it might mean that more could be expected of Emerald, Healesville and Belgrave. Mt Evelyn is interesting in that it has a very large population plus a school, but it is early days in the comp for them. Also the EFL/metro factor which monsters a few others in Olinda and Upwey. Anyone care to comment on Mt Ev?
Upwey has dominated over many years and the figures suggest that they should have done well. Healesville was an equal power a quarter century ago, but has dropped away since.
But the grand over-achiever is Woori, followed by Gembrook and then maybe Monbulk. Wandin also acquitted themselves very well over the years.
Minnow Powelltown (200 and no school) continues to defy logic to field teams. They must cause some embarrassment to a few other under-performing clubs.
So, population may be a big factor, but it appears that it is more how you manage what you have tha will determine success.

I'm looking forward to my retirement and dotage, so I too, like Monniehawk can sit back and reflect upon the mysteries of life and Yarra Valley footy, whilst travelling to distant and exotic lands!

 

[McCavity]

I'm looking forward to my retirement and dotage, so I too, like Monniehawk can sit back and reflect upon the mysteries of life and Yarra Valley footy, whilst travelling to distant and exotic lands!

On further reflection, I think I'd prefer to travel to close and erotic lands! Just don't tell the missus.

 

[sportguru]

There you go, Finger!
Good post. You can say something interesting without resorting to the ridiculous.
Woori has always been a power and despite some small lapses, is a constant in terms of club culture. Your figures are pretty right as at 2006 Census for both Seville and Woori. Neither has a High School in the town.
Belgrave had a population of just over 4000 in 2006 (shading the Pubes at 1,100) while Upwey had nearly 7000, plus the distinct advantage of a High School. A strong club culture may also account for their stunning success.
Wandin/Wandin East was just over 2100, while Mt Evelyn with a huge pop. of 9,100 also has a High School.
Healesville was just over 7,000 in 2006 while neighbours Yarra Glen managed the bare 2,000. Healesville has the High School.
Monbulk's 2,700 gives it sway over Silvan (surprisingly over 1900!!) and Olinda (1600) but Monbulk has the High School.
Interesting to compare with Emerald's 6,135 which dwarfs both them and Gembrook (1,600). Emerald and Monbulk both have a High School.
Warby had nearly 2300 and Junction was not all that far behind with 1700, but the Eagles have the high school!
Kinglake's pop'n is over 400 more than Yea's 1052, but Yea has a High School.
The school is an important consideration because it does influence traffic into clubs.
Based on the school factor and population figures, it might mean that more could be expected of Emerald, Healesville and Belgrave. Mt Evelyn is interesting in that it has a very large population plus a school, but it is early days in the comp for them. Also the EFL/metro factor which monsters a few others in Olinda and Upwey. Anyone care to comment on Mt Ev?
Upwey has dominated over many years and the figures suggest that they should have done well. Healesville was an equal power a quarter century ago, but has dropped away since.
But the grand over-achiever is Woori, followed by Gembrook and then maybe Monbulk. Wandin also acquitted themselves very well over the years.
Minnow Powelltown (200 and no school) continues to defy logic to field teams. They must cause some embarrassment to a few other under-performing clubs.
So, population may be a big factor, but it appears that it is more how you manage what you have tha will determine success.

Interesting - I find it hard to believe that Upwey is bigger than Belgrave, but I suppose facts are facts

One thing to look at is competition from other clubs, Upwey has Ferntree Gully, Upper Gully and South Belgrave, then you can add on Olinda and Belgrave in their immediate area.

I think it does come down to culture, all the successful clubs you mentioned have been well managed

 

[TeeS]

Interesting - I find it hard to believe that Upwey is bigger than Belgrave, but I suppose facts are facts

One thing to look at is competition from other clubs, Upwey has Ferntree Gully, Upper Gully and South Belgrave, then you can add on Olinda and Belgrave in their immediate area.

I think it does come down to culture, all the successful clubs you mentioned have been well managed

Belgrave yes, Olinda no ! No-one wants to drive up the hill to a colder climate etc. I would turn it the other way around and say that Upwey is in our immediate area ie: more appealing !

 

[Monniehawk]

Interesting - I find it hard to believe that Upwey is bigger than Belgrave, but I suppose facts are facts

One thing to look at is competition from other clubs, Upwey has Ferntree Gully, Upper Gully and South Belgrave, then you can add on Olinda and Belgrave in their immediate area.
I think it does come down to culture, all the successful clubs you mentioned have been well managed

Yep! That is the perception. Sometimes success on the field can mask underlying problems - or amplify problems if the club is less successful. But in the end, the perception becomes the reality. In a process of choosing a club, a number of factors come into play, I think.
Culture, facilities, perceived standard/status, proximity and friends all play big parts in the decisions of where to go - as well as money.

As TeeS says, it is more likely that (good?) kids will be attracted to Upwey from Olinda, because of its history of success and facilities - as well as the bonds formed at Upwey High School. So one club can become more dominant in an area by taking advantage of its resources. I think the Tigers have done this well over the years.
Upwey's competition from the Belgrave and Gully sides may not be one way! The Tige's have also done well drawing from them and arguably would still be considered a "better club" than its neighbours, I would think.
(Flinches in anticipation of flack from outraged Eagles, Saints, Maggies, etc.)

 

[Monniehawk]

Interesting - I find it hard to believe that Upwey is bigger than Belgrave, but I suppose facts are facts

And admittedly the facts are incomplete and subject to speculation when you consider numbers in the immediate districts.
E.G. Accounting for Tecoma (2000+) and Selby (1400) raises totals for Belgrave and Upwey figures, Woori is aided by Yellingbo and Launching Place to the tune of almost 3000, while Badger and Dixons Creek add nearly 2500 for Healesville. Monbulk has The Patch, Kallista, etc. etc.