A question about the Bakhtiaris ...

[GuruJane]

Let's assume the Government is right when it says the Bakhtiaris are NOT genuine refugees, but imposters from Pakistan ..

Should they still be given residence in Australia and why?

 

[afc9798]

Let's assume the Government is right when it says the Bakhtiaris are NOT genuine refugees, but imposters from Pakistan ..

Should they still be given residence in Australia and why?

No they shouldn't because their whole case is predicated on their lives being under threat/in danger if they go back to Afghanistan. If they are Pakistani, they could have applied legally to migrate to Australia, an option that is not available to people in places such as Afghanistan (despite the Govt. telling you that there is apparently a queue of some description). Harsh as it is on the children who have spent almost the majority of their life in Australia and have been shoved from pillar to post, you can't make exceptions unless there are exceptional circumstances. In this case if it were proven that they were Pakistanis, I cannot see any circumstance that would change their deportation order. Sorry Jane, probably not the response you wanted though is it?

 

[OB1]

No they shouldn't because their whole case is predicated on their lives being under threat/in danger if they go back to Afghanistan. If they are Pakistani, they could have applied legally to migrate to Australia, an option that is not available to people in places such as Afghanistan (despite the Govt. telling you that there is apparently a queue of some description). Harsh as it is on the children who have spent almost the majority of their life in Australia and have been shoved from pillar to post, you can't make exceptions unless there are exceptional circumstances. In this case if it were proven that they were Pakistanis, I cannot see any circumstance that would change their deportation order. Sorry Jane, probably not the response you wanted though is it?

So does this mean you support detaining people until their origins can be determined?

 

[jmerino]

Goodness me, they have photos of them with neighbours in Pakistan.

These guys just wanted to live in Australia.Go through the proper channels, and they would be living here legally now.They tried to shortcut the system, and get extra benefits.Serves them right.

 

[Leper]

Daktarin is a good cream to put on your skin when you have prickly heat.

 

[afc9798]

So does this mean you support detaining people until their origins can be determined?

Absolutely not. I only posted in response to the question, I mentioned nothing about detention. I feel that they are entitled to their full use of the justice system to either prove or disprove their origins and to mount a case as to their refugee status, however, if it is proven that they do not qualify as refugees, they should be deported.

As for mandatory detention, I do not believe in it. I support the community billeting system, where families or individuals are signed to the care of a host family. I have offered my services for this, but have yet to be taken up. I find it extremely hypocritical that travellers can overstay their visas and not be pursued, yet these refugees and asylum seekers are locked up, hounded and treated like animals. Hope this answers your question.

 

[- PC -]

No they shouldn't because their whole case is predicated on their lives being under threat/in danger if they go back to Afghanistan. If they are Pakistani, they could have applied legally to migrate to Australia, an option that is not available to people in places such as Afghanistan (despite the Govt. telling you that there is apparently a queue of some description). Harsh as it is on the children who have spent almost the majority of their life in Australia and have been shoved from pillar to post, you can't make exceptions unless there are exceptional circumstances. In this case if it were proven that they were Pakistanis, I cannot see any circumstance that would change their deportation order. Sorry Jane, probably not the response you wanted though is it?
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Absolutely not. I only posted in response to the question, I mentioned nothing about detention. I feel that they are entitled to their full use of the justice system to either prove or disprove their origins and to mount a case as to their refugee status, however, if it is proven that they do not qualify as refugees, they should be deported.

As for mandatory detention, I do not believe in it. I support the community billeting system, where families or individuals are signed to the care of a host family. I have offered my services for this, but have yet to be taken up. I find it extremely hypocritical that travellers can overstay their visas and not be pursued, yet these refugees and asylum seekers are locked up, hounded and treated like animals. Hope this answers your question.

Tried to give you rep(for what its worth) but apparently you have been making too much sense lately.

Once again summed it up perfectly. If as Jane has said they tried to con the government then the government has every right IMO to send them PAKING

 

[demon_dave]

Let's assume the Government is right when it says the Bakhtiaris are NOT genuine refugees, but imposters from Pakistan ..

Should they still be given residence in Australia and why?

yes they should, they've been here long enough let them stay, they are obviously desperate and have done pretty well to get here in the first place. All you people on this thread so far are products of the rodents policies of hatefilled scaremongering, half of you probably have the audacity to call yourselves christians, ha. To do what they have done to get here is a credit to their strenth of character, their survivors through some of the toughest times anyone could go through in their lives, much worse than any of you heartless 'people' will ever have to go through in your sheltered lives, in 'burbs of OZ. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being so vindictive to those who have a lot less than you
and before anyone starts about these 'queue jumpers' show me these queues??? where do these people go to get on the queues, the trouble with prats like you lot is you've probably never travelled outside you comfort zone

 

[demon_dave]

yes they should, they've been here long enough let them stay, they are obviously desperate and have done pretty well to get here in the first place. All you people on this thread so far are products of the rodents policies of hatefilled scaremongering, half of you probably have the audacity to call yourselves christians, ha. To do what they have done to get here is a credit to their strenth of character, their survivors through some of the toughest times anyone could go through in their lives, much worse than any of you heartless 'people' will ever have to go through in your sheltered lives, in 'burbs of OZ. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being so vindictive to those who have a lot less than you
and before anyone starts about these 'queue jumpers' show me these queues??? where do these people go to get on the queues, the trouble with prats like you lot is you've probably never travelled outside you comfort zone

thats not directly at you pseud, just the prats who answered your question although I've got an idea what you would say

 

[- PC -]

To do what they have done to get here is a credit to their strenth of character, their survivors through some of the toughest times anyone could go through in their lives, much worse than any of you heartless 'people' will ever have to go through in your sheltered lives, in 'burbs of OZ.

Thank you for the love-in

If they struggled and survived and showed great strength of character...why did they come so far? Was it because there was a belief that Aussies were weak and would let any liar in? Or was it because they knew their claims wouldnt have strung along another country for as long as we have?

I am sick to death of these people who claim it shows great courage bla bla bla...if life is that bad why not stop at the first country they come to? Why in the Bakhtiyaris case travel across IMO at least 6 different countries to get here?

Because Australia was considered a ''soft touch''

 

[demon_dave]

Thank you for the love-in

If they struggled and survived and showed great strength of character...why did they come so far? Was it because there was a belief that Aussies were weak and would let any liar in? Or was it because they knew their claims wouldnt have strung along another country for as long as we have?

I am sick to death of these people who claim it shows great courage bla bla bla...if life is that bad why not stop at the first country they come to? Why in the Bakhtiyaris case travel across IMO at least 6 different countries to get here?

Because Australia was considered a ''soft touch''

its just what I would expect from you, when you actually leave the most isolated city in the world and and see what life is all about then I might listen but I don't listen to 20 year olds who are still picking their nose and wiping it under the table

 

[- PC -]

its just what I would expect from you, when you actually leave the most isolated city in the world and and see what life is all about then I might listen but I don't listen to 20 year olds who are still picking their nose and wiping it under the table

You must have listened...you responded.

So you believe that to be educated and well travelled makes your opinion more worthy? And you call me insular.

 

[otaku]

You must have listened...you responded.

So you believe that to be educated and well travelled makes your opinion more worthy? And you call me insular.

well, actually i would rather listen to someone who is educated on the subject, rather than some tw@t who just spouts crap.

Work out who i think is who between you and dave

 

[- PC -]

well, actually i would rather listen to someone who is educated on the subject, rather than some tw@t who just spouts crap.

Work out who i think is who between you and dave

We each have our opinions and if mine is ''crap'' tear the argument down

Do we all have to be politically correct and compassionate? By DDs logic anyone should automatically be allowed to stay after a period of time.

 

[demon_dave]

You must have listened...you responded.

So you believe that to be educated and well travelled makes your opinion more worthy? And you call me insular.

you got it

 

[demon_dave]

We each have our opinions and if mine is ''crap'' tear the argument down

Do we all have to be politically correct and compassionate? By DDs logic anyone should automatically be allowed to stay after a period of time.

thats exactly it, if they are found to law-abiding citizens , we need more people in this country

 

[otaku]

thats exactly it, if they are found to law-abiding citizens , we need more people in this country

says who??

We are already at our upper threshold for population.

 

[medusala]

its just what I would expect from you, when you actually leave the most isolated city in the world and and see what life is all about then I might listen but I don't listen to 20 year olds who are still picking their nose and wiping it under the table

Well I have lived overseas in a number of countries and I agree with Perth Crow. In fact living os and especially in Asia you come to realise how incredibly tolerant we are in comparison to others and what a complete and utter joke people like Bob Brown are when they try and say how racist we are. Ever lived in Asia DD?

We should be letting professionals in from places like the UK who will assimilate easily into Australian culture, share the same values and provide a net economic benefit. Refugees have a massive unemployment rate in comparison to the rest of the population. Immigration should be determined in the best interests of Australia not to give us higher crime rates and unemployment yet warm funny feeling to a very small % of bleeding hearts.

 

[demon_dave]

Well I have lived overseas in a number of countries and I agree with Perth Crow. In fact living os and especially in Asia you come to realise how incredibly tolerant we are in comparison to others and what a complete and utter joke people like Bob Brown are when they try and say how racist we are. Ever lived in Asia DD?

We should be letting professionals in from places like the UK who will assimilate easily into Australian culture, share the same values and provide a net economic benefit. Refugees have a massive unemployment rate in comparison to the rest of the population. Immigration should be determined in the best interests of Australia not to give us higher crime rates and unemployment yet warm funny feeling to a very small % of bleeding hearts.

what you say is correct, people are intolerant in Asia and Africa etc etc but not everyone, the ones who aren't are usually the scared ones who want out. This backs my argument, these people come from countries with absolutely no respect for human life, but as I said its not all the population who are like this.
People like the Bakhtiyaris should be congratulated for getting away from lawless places and trying to make a go in life, life is short and contrary to some peoples beliefs you only get ONE go.

 

[demon_dave]

no I haven't lived in Asia but I've been there like I have been to the States and like you, I lived in Europe for five years

 

[GuruJane]

yes they should, they've been here long enough let them stay, they are obviously desperate and have done pretty well to get here in the first place. All you people on this thread so far are products of the rodents policies of hatefilled scaremongering, half of you probably have the audacity to call yourselves christians, ha. To do what they have done to get here is a credit to their strenth of character, their survivors through some of the toughest times anyone could go through in their lives, much worse than any of you heartless 'people' will ever have to go through in your sheltered lives, in 'burbs of OZ. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being so vindictive to those who have a lot less than you
and before anyone starts about these 'queue jumpers' show me these queues??? where do these people go to get on the queues, the trouble with prats like you lot is you've probably never travelled outside you comfort zone

But the question I asked was based on assuming that the Govt was right in saying the Bahkiatris are Pakistani imposters.

Your post seemes to be based on them being legitimate refugees, or am I reading it wrong?

Are you saying that even if they have been lying about being Afghani that they should still be given residency?

 

[GuruJane]

I feel that they are entitled to their full use of the justice system to either prove or disprove their origins and to mount a case as to their refugee status, however, if it is proven that they do not qualify as refugees, they should be deported.

As for mandatory detention, I do not believe in it. I support the community billeting system, where families or individuals are signed to the care of a host family. I have offered my services for this, but have yet to be taken up. I find it extremely hypocritical that travellers can overstay their visas and not be pursued, yet these refugees and asylum seekers are locked up, hounded and treated like animals. Hope this answers your question.

Very well put, imo.

Am in total agreement.

 

[afc9798]

Very well put, imo.

Am in total agreement.

Thanks GJ and Merry Xmas you old leftist you

 

[GuruJane]

Thanks GJ and Merry Xmas you old leftist you

And the very best to you!

 

[hairyskrotum]

no need to worry, those frauds are taking a one way ticket back home to pakistan this weekend.........good riddance to bad rubbish.