Mate, you need to give it a rest.
You clownishly tried to make the argument that Zionism doesn't exist anymore because Zionism = Israel, and Israel now exists, so Israel is Zionism.
You essentially accused people of using the term "Zionist" as adopting a misnomer to use as a pejorative against Israeli people. Yet, you never addressed the contradiction that even if Zionism was simply Israel, I argued that Israel's borders are fluid, therefore it hasn't stopped expanding, therefore it must still exist anyway.
Fact: The nation state of Israel is still expanding and is doing so because of an ideological preservation of an ethno-supremacist, settler-colonial project, with a cross-pollination of religious far-right beliefs that thr ancient lands from the Nile to the Euphrates was promised by God in a special covenant to the children of Abraham.
I dismantled all your myths, and all you had to say in response was to suggest my post was written by AI. Even if it was, which it wasn't, but even if it was, does it change the facts contained within?
Now, look... sometimes my missus accuses me of being a bit robotic, but that's usually only in bed. I guess she thinks I'm a machine!?
However, I digress...
I knew that your objective was to make out those who criticise Zionism as bigots or antisemites because your argument was that you can't criticise something that doesn't exist. Right?
Zionism is not Israel. Zionism is a political ideology. It's a political ideology that has perserved long after the creation of Isreal. Israel is merely an outcome of this ideology. So, once again, you're so far wide of the mark it's not funny.
Let me make it clear, everyone born or with a citizenship in the Zionist state is an Israeli, but not every Israeli is a Zionist. Obviously that goes for the 20 percent of Israeli Arabs, but I'm referring to the Jewish Israeli specifically.
Sure, most Israeli Jews align themselves with Zionism (that's essentially why we are in the position we see today), but not all do. There are a minority of dissenting voices that call out Zionism for what it is.
As for Israel "the nation state" being able to do what it wants within its borders... bro, what!? No it can't! No country can, not under international law anyway. If you think it can because the law of the jungle is legitimate, then okay, but then we're debating from a totally different position and yours is not just morally unprincipled, but illegal from a human rights perspective.
You're implying hypocrisy because people criticise how Israel treats the Arabs within its own borders (that's right, the 20 percent of Israeli Arabs are still heavily discriminated against). It's true that most Middle Eastern countries are guilty of human rights violations within its borders, too. But who has ever disputed that?
Where you're wrong is that you're adopting whataboutism, saying, "yeah, but... what about the other countries in the Middle East?" Do you want me to tell you what I think of the Gulf State monarchies? I can tell you how reprehensible UAE is for funding the RSF in Sudan, but that's not what this thread is about.
The difference between you and I is that I believe in equal rights for all. You, for some reason or another, are prepared to die on this hill that Zionism either isn't real, or pivoting to conflating Zionism with anti Jewish sentiment when that ridiculous notion is dismantled.
At the end of the day, Israel is an "ally" of the west, including Australia. Israel provides funding, diplomatic support, and weapons by the west. Israel and Zionism is a product of the west, as I outlined in a previous post to you.
And, let me add (and reiterate) finally, the reason why Israel is so toxic as a nation and Zionism as an ideology is that it seeks to aggressively expand territorially, and dominate its neighbours. Israel seeks to destabilise the Middle East. And the west is enabling this vile state to become the Middle Eastern hegemon.
If you reply to nothing else I've said other than one thing, I'd like it to be the last paragraph. Explain why I am a bigot or an antisemite because I oppose the aggression that Israel inflicts upon its neighbours.
Explain why it's not legitimate for me to criticise the Australian government for sending F-35 components to Israel, so it can bomb the shit out of women, children and innocent men in refugee camps. Being opposed to that renders one morally unprincipled, does it?
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