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With a sample size of two games watched so far (Freo on TV, GWS vs Swans live) there's not really much I can take out of what 2014 football will represent, but there was one thing that really stood out for me - how important the ruck battle was.

Sandilands is a given - when he plays well Fremantle rarely lose - and he played a great game. Hannath was not spectacular but he played a reasonable enough game in support, allowing Sandilands to go forward and be dangerous (Freo's first goal came about because Collingwood's defenders shat themselves at Sandi and Pav's presence there).

But at the GWS vs Swans match, the most enthralling battle was how Mumford cracked open Pyke's head and feasted on the goo inside. It may only be because Mumford wanted to show up his old club, but it was a dominant performance. Not only that, but Giles played a reasonably high quality game in support - he stretched the Swans defence and could have kicked two goals himself.

By contrast, Sydney went in with one ruckman, who by game's end looked like he wanted to die. And while Collingwood had two genuine ruckmen, they were both much less experienced and physically imposing than the Sandilands/Hannath duo.

It made me wonder that in spite of all the talk at how capping rotations would mean going in with two genuine ruckmen would see sides being out run by their opponents, whether actually something counter-intuitive was happening. That less midfield rotations actually meant that having a solid ruck 1-2 division was more important, not less.

While capping at 120 is still allowing for an enormous number of rotations, it is still a pull back from the increasing trend over the past few years. And given that midfield dominance is often simply a function of how many players you can swarm around the ball, a limitation on how refreshed the midfielders will be during a game changes that aspect.

If instead a team can't reliably send a fleet of midfielders to every stoppage, doesn't it then become a case where one-on-one battles begin to matter more? And given that the one-on-one battle begins in the ruck, would it not then follow that a solid ruck division matters more, and that two genuine ruckman becomes an advantage over just one?

It will be interesting to see how it pans out over the season, but it is rare that two decisive victories so early in the season are so heavily influenced by the big ruckmen - usually that is left for finals when everyone is tiring.

tl;dr - Has capping the rotations at 120 played directly into Freo's hands, given the side's excellent ruck division?
 
Has capping the rotations at 120 played directly into Freo's hands, given the side's excellent ruck division?[/quote]


Not really, it will force teams to 'go for it' more rather than the energy sapping (and high interchange rate) defence that a certain coach by the name of Ross is know for.

We put up a relativly high score on Friday, but wait for more than one game in a row to see if it becomes regular.....

There will be a few changes to most teams. The GC ruckman (Nicholls?) was good early, but cooked by halfway into the 3rd quarter, as he had no real support. So a second ruckman will be playing in the forward pocket a bit. Revolutionary!
 
Jack Hannath playing enabled Freo to maintain the ruck dominance all night. His presence allowed Sandi to stand in the forward line and clunk big marks.
Just the psychological impact of Aaron being there was significant and of course, there was no respite because Big Jack rotated through also. He is a big boy too.

It must be said it was a big bearing on the game and I am certain we will play with two ruckmen all year, especially if Sandi is one of them.
 

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If instead a team can't reliably send a fleet of midfielders to every stoppage, doesn't it then become a case where one-on-one battles begin to matter more?

The AFL would be hoping so, otherwise the rule change makes no sense.
Gumby's injury makes it academic now as to whether we would have experimented with a forward that rucks a bit as the sole support for Sandi. We'll play 2 genuine rucks all year now and I like it.
 
Has capping the rotations at 120 played directly into Freo's hands, given the side's excellent ruck division?


Not really, it will force teams to 'go for it' more rather than the energy sapping (and high interchange rate) defence that a certain coach by the name of Ross is know for.

We put up a relativly high score on Friday, but wait for more than one game in a row to see if it becomes regular.....

There will be a few changes to most teams. The GC ruckman (Nicholls?) was good early, but cooked by halfway into the 3rd quarter, as he had no real support. So a second ruckman will be playing in the forward pocket a bit. Revolutionary![/quote]
Their support ruck, in Dixon, was subbed with concussion before half time, which further highlights the importance of having 2 competent rucks.
 
Not really, it will force teams to 'go for it' more rather than the energy sapping (and high interchange rate) defence that a certain coach by the name of Ross is know for.
What do you mean by 'go for it'?
We put up a relativly high score on Friday, but wait for more than one game in a row to see if it becomes regular.....
Not talking so much in terms of score but how the ruck battle was such a major determinant in the outcome. Sandilands was close to best on ground as was Mumford, in decisive victories.

Didn't see the Gold Coast game.
 
Inclined to agree that rucking will be more important this year. Mumford is the recruit of the year. The young GWS mids were strutting their stuff with him around. Sydney have a serious problem if Pyke goes down or starts to look like a rugby player again. And no, in case you were wondering, Tippett and Goodes are not options in the ruck; they will be flat out getting on the park on a regular basis.
 
I think it's more that having a fresh genuine ruck at the stoppages 100% of the time means better service to the midfielder throughout the whole game. This in turn means midfielders can just worry about reading the play properly. As opposed to just running around way too much, guessing where the nest ruck tap is going and exhausting themselves.
 

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That's simply not going to happen. Sandi is the best ruckman in the competition and he is going to play in the ruck as much as possible.
 
Sandilands was outstanding on friday if he remains injury free we'll be unbeatable.

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We are going to have serious headaches when Griff comes back is all I can say. Do we ration Sandi a bit to keep him cherry ripe?
Perhaps, griffin is one of the leagues top 10 ruckman.

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Great start to a thread ...
As an ex ruckman I put a higher value on first use than most.
More than a few times I've been shot down for stating that 211 has the most influence of all 22 when in form, also enjoyed debating the fallacy of just 'making a contest' in ruck versus actually wining a tap.
Heaps of great theories on how rotations will impact ruck and clearances around the ground, I tend to agree we'll see more 1 on 1 around contests instead of the cluster f@ck scenes we've seen of late. If the real effect of capped rotations is less congestion at the contest it will work in freos favour, no doubt. May also reduce teams going third man up against sandi so much.
Whatever the fallout, we have all aspects of ruck type,size and skill set available to adapt - I reckon freos ruck coach has the cushiest job in the AFL !!
 
Yeah, when Kep and Griffin come back we will have 5 ruckman to choose from. 6 when Gumbleton is fit. Surely out of that lot we should be able to find a good combination!
 
If Clarke was available I would start with 50/50 in the ruck and consider increasing Clarke to more than 50%

Certainly Hannath created the contest needed for our crumbers - he did his role well, Clarke is more mobile, better ruck but weaker in the contested marking unless he has improved dramatically in the off season.
Griffen we know is a very good ruck and we think pretty good up forward but we have rarely seen him there and especially not since he has slimmed down to improve his mobility. Certainly will be tricky choosing in a few weeks.
 

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