AAMI Crowds

[*PAF]

I have also posted this on the Port board.

For those at the game.
Watching TV all 3 games so far appeared to have had larger crowds than the official figures.
The round 1 game crowd figure was questioned on the Crows board and we have debated the round 2 game already on here, but were there 13-14,000 spare seats on Sunday?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I assume this s a bitch about the SANFL crowd gouging?

everyone know they have been doing that for 23 years. Since day one, you just added 5,000 people.

Doesn't everyone know this goes on?

 

[Nelso]

My theory is that the SANFL rip off both Port and the Crows in regards to crowd numbers but they do the opposite for the SANFL games.

No way there was 7,500 for the Port V Norwood game a few weeks ago. Mates of mine also went to the Port v Glenelg game on the weekend and they dispute the 3000 crowd figure.

 

[Cap]

No I thought the crowd was in the 30s so meh

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The problem is that Port's really embarrassing crowd numbers have been boosted up for years.

So a Sunday lunchtime Port game against the Kangaroos with tarps and empty seats everywhere has "17,000" people.

Next game there is a pretty packed Crows game or Port Showdown with what looks like quadruple the people and that clocks in at 35,000.

Wtf? we all ask.

 

[The Sickness]

I think it may have been that any gaps in the crowd weren't really that noticeable but I can assure you there were a fair few empty seats near where I was sitting. (Notably that I was sitting in the middle of what would have been about a 7 seat gap in the row... If watching the Crows capitulate again didn't kill me on the inside, that would have got the job done )

 

[Dirty Bird]

What I thought
Rd 1 - 48k not 42k
Rd 2 - 32k not 25k
Rd 3 - 37k not 40k

 

[*PAF]

I think it may have been that any gaps in the crowd weren't really that noticeable but I can assure you there were a fair few empty seats near where I was sitting. ...

That was the type of answer I was expecting. When you are at the ground you can see spare seats, but on TV it is a lot harder to spot.
According to many if not most posters on the Port board the figures for both round 2 and last Sunday were about right, although there are a few (few not many) that said they could see some people going in with tickets that weren't scanned.

EDIT: Oops, the title was meant to be crowds not crows.

 

[mulz]

in was surprised with our round 1 game with 42k, I was expecting 46k, it seemed like a huge crowd. but who knows

 

[BigLefty]

That was the type of answer I was expecting. When you are at the ground you can see spare seats, but on TV it is a lot harder to spot.
According to many if not most posters on the Port board the figures for both round 2 and last Sunday were about right, although there are a few (few not many) that said they could see some people going in with tickets that weren't scanned.

EDIT: Oops, the title was meant to be crowds not crows.

i went Round 1.

42k sounds like a pretty good crowd. but there is no chance in hell that there was approx 1/5 of the stadium empty. especially when you consider the couple of thousand that either stand on the concourse or just hang out at the bars.

so i've no doubt that the official crowd figures are unders for crows games. it's conceivable then that it's unders for Port games too. but i'm with Drugs Are Bad Mackay? that there's been some Power games where they seem to have bumped it (mostly the really bad turnouts you've had)

what i dont understand is what benefit there is to anyone to pretend that crowds are lower than they really are?

 

[Allefgib]

I assume this s a bitch about the SANFL crowd gouging?

everyone know they have been doing that for 23 years. Since day one, you just added 5,000 people.

Doesn't everyone know this goes on?

I don't care enough about crowd numbers to know what this is about Alex.

I think what you're saying is the SANFL are adding 5K to the actual number of people who rock up when reporting the crowd numbers?

If so, why do you think they are doing this? (or what is rumoured reason I guess)

 

[Bacon8]

I don't care enough about crowd numbers to know what this is about Alex.

I think what you're saying is the SANFL are adding 5K to the actual number of people who rock up when reporting the crowd numbers?

If so, why do you think they are doing this? (or what is rumoured reason I guess)

Other way Alle.. If the reported crowd is 42K, there was actually 47K there.

 

[Mattrox]

If they are under reporting crowds and it means less money for clubs it is fraud and it would mean whoever did that would face legal consequences. So I highly doubt there is deliberate under reporting and its costing the clubs.

Surely match day ticket sales are recorded and the clubs get paid according to sales rather than attendances.

 

[Allefgib]

Ah right. Thanks for the clarification - makes a bit more sense now.

Except for the why....

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I have also posted this on the Port board.

For those at the game.
Watching TV all 3 games so far appeared to have had larger crowds than the official figures.
The round 1 game crowd figure was questioned on the Crows board and we have debated the round 2 game already on here, but were there 13-14,000 spare seats on Sunday?

The AAMI crowd counting changed when it changed from Footy Park to AAMI with the new seats/Northern Stand/ticketing system.

Crows used to get consistently just under 50,000 mark (high 40,000's). 5,000 disappeared overnight with the changes.

You really notice it for big games, where there is near capacity with hardly any seating space & announced around 3 quarter time that there is low 40,000's. Where the heck would the other 10,000+ sit?

The answer is that we could not fit in 50,000+ now officially as they are not counting everyone.

Given the SANFL are selling the Crows & Port licenses to the AFL, to be under-counting crowds is pure stupidity.

 

[relapse]

If they are under reporting crowds and it means less money for clubs it is fraud and it would mean whoever did that would face legal consequences. So I highly doubt there is deliberate under reporting and its costing the clubs.

Surely match day ticket sales are recorded and the clubs get paid according to sales rather than attendances.

Honestly I believe that if the SANFL arent under reporting the crowd numbers now then they must have been deliberately over reporting them pre-AFL because the Crows never pulled anything close to those "reported" SANFL grand final crowd figures (excluding the couple of years when the capacity was higher) which I find extremely hard to believe.

 

[Slippery Pete]

What year did they install the individual seats?

 

[Dirty Bird]

What year did they install the individual seats?

Early 2000s.
Was after the Northern Grandstand opened in 2001, but before I had my first game at AAMI (2005)

So 2002-04 - Sometime in there.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Adelaide Crows Home Games Crowds and Attendances AFL Attendances By Year

Year Games Total Average
2013 1 42,218 42,218
2012 13 481,713 37,055
2011 11 385,221 35,020
2010 11 393,406 35,764
2009 12 477,199 39,767
2008 12 485,140 40,428
2007 11 461,910 41,992
2006 13 559,724 43,056
2005 13 565,040 43,465
2004 11 438,664 39,879
2003 12 528,406 44,034
2002 12 525,285 43,774
2001 11 435,897 39,627
2000 11 423,171 38,470
1999 11 433,324 39,393
1998 14 653,182 46,656
1997 15 700,971 46,731
1996 11 433,713 39,428
1995 11 424,566 38,597
1994 11 471,492 42,863
1993 11 517,550 47,050
1992 11 420,731 38,248
1991 11 445,831 40,530

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

1995/96 - Robert Shaw killing off crowds.

1997/98 - Blight premiership spike.

1999? - new ticketing system, accounting for big drop-off of 7,000 (can't be all premiership hangover)

2001/2 - New granstand, increased 7,000 capacity, crowds up 5,000.

2004 - new bucket seats/lost capacity & really shit lasy year under Ayres, Lost 4,000 on average.

2005/06 - Craig spike.

2006 to 2011 trend down, combination of Crows winning % dropping 20% under Ayres (no plan B) & televised live against the gate.

2012 - Sando spike.

 

[Smoooothy]

Reckon theres a few discrepancies in that list. 93 the biggest crowd was only 48.5k. From memory most crowds were 45-46k with only 1 above that

97 why are both showdowns included in the figure?

 

[RippaRiley43]

2001/2 - New granstand, increased 7,000 capacity, crowds up 5,000.

What was the capacity back then, with the metal benches AND the bigger stand?

 

[Dirty Bird]

What was the capacity back then, with the metal benches AND the bigger stand?

Was over 55,000
The bucket seats took away about 4k

 

[relapse]

Adelaide Crows Home Games Crowds and Attendances AFL Attendances By Year

Year Games Total Average
2013 1 42,218 42,218
2012 13 481,713 37,055
2011 11 385,221 35,020
2010 11 393,406 35,764
2009 12 477,199 39,767
2008 12 485,140 40,428
2007 11 461,910 41,992
2006 13 559,724 43,056
2005 13 565,040 43,465
2004 11 438,664 39,879
2003 12 528,406 44,034
2002 12 525,285 43,774
2001 11 435,897 39,627
2000 11 423,171 38,470
1999 11 433,324 39,393
1998 14 653,182 46,656
1997 15 700,971 46,731
1996 11 433,713 39,428
1995 11 424,566 38,597
1994 11 471,492 42,863
1993 11 517,550 47,050
1992 11 420,731 38,248
1991 11 445,831 40,530

Im pretty sure that the average crowds for 97 and 98 are wrong

1997 40,173
1998 41,245

 

[Niximus]

Could it be that they are under-reporting current crowds so that next year we get a crowd increase at AO even if the crowds are exactly the same?