Aaron Black

[Dockersman]

Is he the next big target? By process of elimination and Waite going to North you would think he would be a logical target. Maybe him up forward and Shoemakers down back? He's been mentioned as a possible target on another forum now Frawley has all but gone to Hawthorn.

 

[jerms]

He'd have to be one of the KPP options, along with Kersten, Schoenmakers and maybe Grimley. Throwing a few others out of left field when you look at the West Aussies playing over east, you've got Tayte Pears, Tom Derickx, Angus Litherland and Nathan Grima. Ignoring contract status and availability, it's not a great list of names to work with, but maybe there's someone of value there.

You'd have to think Membrey is too small to pursue as a KPP - perhaps as a third tall option if Mayney's long-term future is down back?

 

[free at last]

Posters on norf board are saying they'll probably have to trade out some one to make room for the draft.

 

[Silent Alarm]

I can't see it happening even though I think he'd be a great acquisition. A lot of people on here have written him off because his 2014 wasn't as good as the season before, but you have to be realistic – there's a dreamland scenario where Frawley and Ryder are discussed and Malceski and Black create almost no discussion. Those last two are the ones who'd fit in really well and who are the most likely to come. Fremantle never have and never will successfully pull a player like Frawley.

I see Black like this

+ 24 next month
+ Great 2013 season, serviceable 2014 (people give him shit for this year but patronise the idea of a massively over-paid Frawley deal)
+ WA boy
+ Unlike the 10 other key forward targets, he's previously seriously considered moving
+ Fits in well with the structure
+ Quite simply just a good footballer
+ Freo is no downgrade on North
+ Probably a long contract, good money
+ A lock for the 22
+ Waite signing for the Kangaroos gives him competition there

– North will want a good trade for him
– Very much wanted and needed there
– Kangaroos have grabbed a few players and could grab a few more, decent developing players like Turner, prelim appearance
– Reportedly stayed in Victoria through a sense of loyalty

 

[Silent Alarm]

He'd have to be one of the KPP options, along with Kersten, Schoenmakers and maybe Grimley. Throwing a few others out of left field when you look at the West Aussies playing over east, you've got Tayte Pears, Tom Derickx, Angus Litherland and Nathan Grima. Ignoring contract status and availability, it's not a great list of names to work with, but maybe there's someone of value there.

You'd have to think Membrey is too small to pursue as a KPP - perhaps as a third tall option if Mayney's long-term future is down back?

Litherland would be a great get, he'll turn out to be a very good footballer. Unfortunately for Freo, he'll probably play 12-18-all of their games for the Hawks next year and has had plenty of time and energy put toward him. They'd want a lot for him

 

[jerms]

All hypotheticals, but was chatting to a couple of reasonably in-the-know Bomber fans last night, who were asking if Zac Clarke was available. Told them it appeared we've been shopping him around - both of them volunteered a straight swap Ryder for Clarke, and perhaps a minor pick / pick swap, as a deal they'd do in a heartbeat. We can only dream...

 

[bloke_]

I think with Brown showing a good deal in the second half of the year North might let him go for less than we expect. Maybe our second rounder plus fringe player. If they lose Greenwood would they want another in and under player in De Boer?

 

[jerms]

I think with Brown showing a good deal in the second half of the year North might let him go for less than we expect. Maybe our second rounder plus fringe player. If they lose Greenwood would they want another in and under player in De Boer?

Not worth a player as well if Carlton are trying to snare Liam Jones with a third-rounder.

 

[bloke_]

Not worth a player as well if Carlton are trying to snare Liam Jones with a third-rounder.

Hasn't he shown more then Jones? I guess that's the difference between 2nd and 3rf

 

[jerms]

Hasn't he shown more then Jones? I guess that's the difference between 2nd and 3rf

Yeah, he's probably shown a little more, but not enough to justify 2nd Rd and a player vs 3rd Rd for Jones. 2nd vs 3rd round is fair enough, though - that's justified purely on the basis of a 1.5 vs 1.0 goal per game average.

 

[Agenfrida]

I can't see it happening even though I think he'd be a great acquisition. A lot of people on here have written him off because his 2014 wasn't as good as the season before, but you have to be realistic – there's a dreamland scenario where Frawley and Ryder are discussed and Malceski and Black create almost no discussion. Those last two are the ones who'd fit in really well and who are the most likely to come. Fremantle never have and never will successfully pull a player like Frawley.

I see Black like this

+ 24 next month
+ Great 2013 season, serviceable 2014 (people give him shit for this year but patronise the idea of a massively over-paid Frawley deal)
+ WA boy
+ Unlike the 10 other key forward targets, he's previously seriously considered moving
+ Fits in well with the structure
+ Quite simply just a good footballer
+ Freo is no downgrade on North
+ Probably a long contract, good money
+ A lock for the 22
+ Waite signing for the Kangaroos gives him competition there

– North will want a good trade for him
– Very much wanted and needed there
– Kangaroos have grabbed a few players and could grab a few more, decent developing players like Turner, prelim appearance
– Reportedly stayed in Victoria through a sense of loyalty

Couldn't agree more, however if we can talk him round and he says he wants to go, on top of his ordinary year we might get away with a 2nd rounder and a player - my preference would be Suban.

 

[Taylor]

Posters on norf board are saying they'll probably have to trade out some one to make room for the draft.

They have 7 uncontracted players now that Grima has resigned, they have room.

 

[Nickos66]

Would consider 2nd rounder, North do need to jettison a spot or 2 before the draft, and their cap is tight - as shown by the Levi Greenwood saga. If we offered our 2nd i'm sure they'd consider it.

 

[free at last]

Would consider 2nd rounder, North do need to jettison a spot or 2 before the draft, and their cap is tight - as shown by the Levi Greenwood saga. If we offered our 2nd i'm sure they'd consider it.

I reckon we'd have to get our second rounder upgraded,significantly IMO.

 

[AGC]

If Black rejected a contract offer and re-signed with us from you last year after he'd just kicked 33 goals in 18 games, after his first real season (Where you guys were going into the season as the rightful premiership favourites) why would he then accept another contract offer unless it was for the same money (which would have tremendous overs on the basis of this years output cruelled by injury and form issues). You don't try and do contract deals when your market value is at its lowest.

At the same time, he's contracted, not making visible noises about wanting to leave - and key position players attract a significant premium. We would only be trading him if you were offering us a premium value. A first rounder let alone a second rounder would hardly get it done IMO.

 

[jerms]

I reckon we'd have to get our second rounder upgraded,significantly IMO.

As I said before, is he really worth more than Pick 32/33 if the Jones deal gets done with Pick 42/43? I'm not convinced there's much more between them than that...

 

[purplerunsdeep]

was drafted pick 25... a few years in the system and semi proven to be first 22, contracted for another 3 years.... north will play hard ball and demand our first rounder

 

[purplerunsdeep]

If Black rejected a contract offer and re-signed with us from you last year after he'd just kicked 33 goals in 18 games, after his first real season (Where you guys were going into the season as the rightful premiership favourites) why would he then accept another contract offer unless it was for the same money (which would have tremendous overs on the basis of this years output cruelled by injury and form issues). You don't try and do contract deals when your market value is at its lowest.

At the same time, he's contracted, not making visible noises about wanting to leave - and key position players attract a significant premium. We would only be trading him if you were offering us a premium value. A first rounder let alone a second rounder would hardly get it done IMO.

Clearly North value him by going and getting a 32 year old to do his role? 1 year after re-signing him?
Freo wont trade their first rounder, but possibly a swap of 1st rounders and our 2nd

 

[E Shed]

IMO Freo would put our first rounder on the table in flash for Black.

 

[free at last]

If Black rejected a contract offer and re-signed with us from you last year after he'd just kicked 33 goals in 18 games, after his first real season (Where you guys were going into the season as the rightful premiership favourites) why would he then accept another contract offer unless it was for the same money (which would have tremendous overs on the basis of this years output cruelled by injury and form issues). You don't try and do contract deals when your market value is at its lowest.

At the same time, he's contracted, not making visible noises about wanting to leave - and key position players attract a significant premium. We would only be trading him if you were offering us a premium value. A first rounder let alone a second rounder would hardly get it done IMO.

Black so to speak is not a true key-forward,he'll always be a second or third tall IMO.

In the space of twelve months Black's situation for spots has changed dramatically with the rise of Brown and now Waite coming to the kangas.
Surely Black doesn't want to be running around in the 2's which is a distinct possibility now.

 

[apuchar]

Black so to speak is not a true key-forward,he'll always be a second or third tall IMO.

In the space of twelve months Black's situation for spots has changed dramatically with the rise of Brown and now Waite coming to the kangas.
Surely Black doesn't want to be running around in the 2's which is a distinct possibility now.

Think they rate Mason Wood as well, so he may be even less required.

 

[Bulldocker]

Once we're into getting such a lopsided trade market - then it becomes more likely that we'll be back to square 1 and will persist with what we already have on the list. Not ideal when we are chasing a ready-made key forward to fill in this last year or two of a real flag window with Pav and Sandi still up and about.
But no use getting totally screwed. There comes a point where we just hold our draft picks and put a massive effort into getting Apeness or Tabs firing a little earlier than what would normally be expected in their development. Just unlucky timing for us. Personally, I do think that Apeness in particular will end up being a much more valuable commodity than Black. He should play plenty of games in 2015 anyway IMO. Trouble is that he may not reach that level before Pav hangs up the boots. Catch 22?
We should shake the tree with North to see what comes out for Black. But he may not be worth selling our souls to get him.

 

[AGC]

Clearly North value him by going and getting a 32 year old to do his role? 1 year after re-signing him?
Freo wont trade their first rounder, but possibly a swap of 1st rounders and our 2nd

Jarrad Waite will be doing Ben Brown's role. We obviously rate him enough that he was starting in our forward line whilst battling a shoulder injury in our prelim final. If we thought he was shite, there were numerous others that could have taken his role.

 

[apuchar]

Jarrad Waite will be doing Ben Brown's role. We obviously rate him enough that he was starting in our forward line whilst battling a shoulder injury in our prelim final. If we thought he was shite, there were numerous others that could have taken his role.

Doubt Ben Brown would lose his spot. Anyway, Black is your player, if you don't want to give him up you don't have to. Freo have simply said we want to talk a deal.

 

[malpaso]

Jarrad Waite will be doing Ben Brown's role. We obviously rate him enough that he was starting in our forward line whilst battling a shoulder injury in our prelim final. If we thought he was shite, there were numerous others that could have taken his role.

Because you didn't have Waite. Where does Brown go if Waite takes his place? Looks to me like Brown is rated over Black at this point in time.