Aaron Shattock?

[Gilbee9]

Hey now that our season is pretty much over, i was thinking about the end of season and players we could pick up.

We lack some accountable hard at it midfeilders. I was thinking Aaron Shattock from Brisbane could be a great pick up, he we never get to break into there elite midfeilder, but could get into pretty much any other teams. He is hard at it, solidly built and could be a great pick up.

Other suggestions: Godfrey (Melb), Murray (St.Kilda), Beasy (Carl)

Of course we would love to get Brady Rawlings, but it would be very very hard to get him.

 

[Ching]

Why are people fasinated with other clubs rejects?
We tried it this year with Veale, Koops, Street and Morgan and it hasn't worked.

Again develop what we have and draft youth.

 

[Dogs 13]

Originally posted by Ching
Why are people fasinated with other clubs rejects?
We tried it this year with Veale, Koops, Street and Morgan and it hasn't worked.

Again develop what we have and draft youth.

Street was far from our worst (not that it was hard) and only he got 73 minutes.

Morgan, how loose is he. How did he ever beat Fevola.

Koops the errors and turnovers week after week have become intolerable. That missed shot in the last qtr when we had momentum and it would have brought us within 17 pts was inexcusable. Wouldn't you think he would have wanted to do well against his old club. Loved his game against the Blues, but since then .....

Veale = Pawn

 

[Ching]

Originally posted by Dogs 13
Street was far from our worst (not that it was hard) and only he got 73 minutes.

He's definetely no match winner either. Minson in 3 games has shown more promise.

Players usually get traded because they aren't good enough not because they are future stars.

 

[Dogs 13]

Originally posted by Ching
He's definetely no match winner either. Minson in 3 games has shown more promise.

Players usually get traded because they aren't good enough not because they are future stars.

I know that, but I think having Street and Minson rucking in tandem to release Darce up forward for the bulk of the game is of more value and the way to go.

 

[BulldogMike]

Originally posted by Dogs 13
I know that, but I think having Street and Minson rucking in tandem to release Darce up forward for the bulk of the game is of more value and the way to go.

Darcy foward and Minson to be played as the number 1 rucker. Hopefully he can become a Scott Wynd type rucker but one who uses his size to his advantage. I am not impressed with Street.

 

[Knackers]

The sooner people realise that Street is a dud footballer, the better, so we can all move on and promote players like Minson.

Geelong must of thought all their Christmas' came at once when we traded pick 19 for him.

I've watched Street closely and believe me there is nothing there. A bloke who is 7 foot tall and can't take an overhead mark just isn't good enough to be playing AFL.

 

[Rookie]

Originally posted by Knackers
The sooner people realise that Street is a dud footballer, the better, so we can all move on and promote players like Minson.

Geelong must of thought all their Christmas' came at once when we traded pick 19 for him.

I've watched Street closely and believe me there is nothing there. A bloke who is 7 foot tall and can't take an overhead mark just isn't good enough to be playing AFL.

Street for pick 19? HA! The clown should be delisted at the end of the season. His only asset is his height, he is not a footballer and never will be.

Or are we locked into a contract with him?

 

[BulldogMike]

Originally posted by Rookie
Street for pick 19? HA! The clown should be delisted at the end of the season. His only asset is his height, he is not a footballer and never will be.

Or are we locked into a contract with him?

We seem to have been badly ripped of.

 

[Walsh Bay]

I know we all get reduced to repeating ourselves, so my apologies, but Ching's right - when we trade for other club's rejects we get BURNT. Sometimes you have to build a new wall not keep patching it with polyfilla.

 

[Palace03]

I know that, but I think having Street and Minson rucking in tandem to release Darce up forward for the bulk of the game is of more value and the way to go.

Id rather have Skipper doing that with Minson than Street.

 

[Dog Town]

Originally posted by Gilbee9


Other suggestions: Godfrey (Melb), Murray (St.Kilda), Beasy (Carl)

Godfrey-Foot skills make even Peter Street look like a silky skilled wingmen.

Murray-Doesn't do enough.Fairly one dimensional.

Beasy-Think Carlton will want to hold onto him and he is not really what we are crying out for.

The suggestion to address some weaknesses through the trading is not the sin that most suggest it is.I am sick of people every year saying "no more middle of the road rejects" and "lets rebuild with youth".There is a massive part that bringing youth in through the draft has to play but there is also huge advantages in using the trade period properly.The problem is not the idea of trading but the way we do it.In the last two or three seasons I have suggested we target

Fevola-When Carlton were thinking about delisting him and got abused.

Teague-Imagine the different shape our backline would take on with Teague running around down there.Carlton got a silkier version of Mitch Hahn and payed peanuts for him.

Guerra-Again we miss out on a hard at it player capable of putting fear into the opposition.

Mooney-Strongly suggested this about 2 months out from trade time and got shouted down.


You cannot tell me those guys wouldn't improve our side remarkably and all would have been very cheap when we got them.Of course all of them are now far to expensive because other clubs chose them before us.If I can watch enough football to know who is getting stiffed at there club and who just needs a change of scenery then surely the match commitee who gets paid ridiculous amounts of money to watch the game can do the same thing.I can understand people being cautious of trading given Peter Rohde hasnt done anything for us to think he is a master at it but I wouldnt discount trading as a means to strengthen your list.As an example of Brisbanes current side Pike,Michael and Scott came through trades.They also got Carracella for depth.Its just a matter of indentifying who can play and who cant.

 

[DOG GOD]

The only player I was happy getting in the trade last year was Morgan, as I thought he had potential to be a capable tall defender. To me, Koops and Street, don't add anything to our list that we didn't already have, and Veale...WELL, we all know about that.

We have to do our best to find
a) a tough hard nut in the middle with pace and who can stop the opposition
b) a BP player who is highly disciplined, not caring about their own possession game
c) a tough HBF who is accountable, and will wear his opponent like a glove
d) a FP player who is VERY quick off the mark, and not selfish.

Now it's finding those players!!!!!

 

[Ching]

Re: Re: Aaron Shattock?

Originally posted by Dog Town
Fevola-When Carlton were thinking about delisting him and got abused.
Teague-Imagine the different shape our backline would take on with Teague running around down there.Carlton got a silkier version of Mitch Hahn and payed peanuts for him.
Guerra-Again we miss out on a hard at it player capable of putting fear into the opposition.
Mooney-Strongly suggested this about 2 months out from trade time and got shouted down.

Do you think they all would have be stars for us?
We can't develop our own, how do we develop others clubs duds(which what each of these were at the time)?

 

[Dog Town]

Re: Re: Re: Aaron Shattock?

Originally posted by Ching
Do you think they all would have be stars for us?
We can't develop our own, how do we develop others clubs duds(which what each of these were at the time)?

Disagree that they were duds.They were misused and just needed the right opportunity.All were still young aswell.In this case the ability was there it just needed to be tapped into.I think I have the same concerns as you in that I am not 100% confident (infact I am not 10%) we can select the right players and give them the shot in the arm they need to become the players they are capable of becoming.On this front I agree with you but its the refusal by some people to even talk about trades as a genuine means of developing your list that gets to me.Look at Essendon.Probably the most succesful club whilst under Sheedy and in his time they have barely missed the september action.He is just incredibly astute at knowing when to off load players and who to pick up.

 

[irel]

Those that have dismissed the suggestion of getting Aaron Shattock think again. Shattock is jumping out of his skin to get an opportunity. With a midfield consisting of Voss, Black. Power, Aka, 2 x Scotts, Lappin, Heart and others it is impossible for him to break into that line up on a regular bases. I saw him recently before he was injured and lost his place again vs Kangaroos and he was a fantastic contributor for the time that he was on the field.
Other so called Brisbane fringe players like Brett Voss, Craig Bolton, Trent Knobel and others are making a significant contribution to their clubs. All of them coming from a wining culture and the Leigh Mathews' branding. Looking at your midfield you need someone like Shattock to give you that hard edge. If your are prepared to bring players like Koops and Street to your club and ignore Shattock as the suggestion indicates, than I am sorry to say the Bulldogs need an overhaul of the recruiting and coaching personnel. My opinion is that a second round pick or third round and an upgrading of the fourth round will secure Shattock. I am sure he is sick of not getting the opportunities to play regular footy. Just like the others I've mentioned.
St Kilda have proven that insightful trading supplemented by high draft picks is a recipe for success.
Carlton have also done well with so called fringe players and rejects. I am sure that other clubs are having a second glance at Aaron. The Bulldogs will have the inside running because you have higher draft picks to trade with.

 

[Dogs 13]

Originally posted by irel
Other so called Brisbane fringe players like Brett Voss, Craig Bolton, Trent Knobel and others are making a significant contribution to their clubs. All of them coming from a wining culture and the Leigh Mathews' branding.

Do you mean like Rusca, Picken and Bartlett (apologies Bart) ? We have so much to be thankful to the Lions for.

Also I'm pretty sure Scott Clayton is in charge of our recruiting, do you really think that needs to be overhauled.

 

[Palace03]

Originally posted by Dogs 13
Do you mean like Rusca, Picken and Bartlett (apologies Bart) ? We have so much to be thankful to the Lions for.

Those players played the majority of there footy before Leigh Matthews and before the Lions won a flag.

 

[Dogs 13]

Originally posted by Palace03
Those players played the majority of there footy before Leigh Matthews and before the Lions won a flag.

Bartlett had one year under Matthews (1999), Rusca only played senior footy in 2000 and Picken had 3 years under him (1999 - 2001).

We got stooged into taking Picken and Rusca.

By the way, I'm not against taking Shattock just wary of what we've been sold in the past.

 

[irel]

Every club has at some stage been involved in trades that have not worked out for a variety of reasons. Thus the vagaries of the trade system. I believe we also took one of your excellent recruits in Michael Martin (???).
IMHO Bartlett was a good player wasted by the Bulldogs system and the Coach. He was delisted prematurely I believe.
I personally could not care less if the Bulldogs are not interested in Shattock. If the Lions put him up for a trade I don't believe there will be shortage of interested clubs.

 

[BulldogMike]

Originally posted by irel
Every club has at some stage been involved in trades that have not worked out for a variety of reasons. Thus the vagaries of the trade system. I believe we also took one of your excellent recruits in Michael Martin (???).
IMHO Bartlett was a good player wasted by the Bulldogs system and the Coach. He was delisted prematurely I believe.
I personally could not care less if the Bulldogs are not interested in Shattock. If the Lions put him up for a trade I don't believe there will be shortage of interested clubs.

Anybody able to confirm whether we have enough money to buy a star player? I'd rather a gun and some quality picks to be drafted. Not bits and pieces like street/koops

 

[Dog Town]

Originally posted by mike2j7
Anybody able to confirm whether we have enough money to buy a star player? I'd rather a gun and some quality picks to be drafted. Not bits and pieces like street/koops

I dont think its on the cards.You invariably end up paying over price for high profile recruits.

 

[BulldogMike]

Originally posted by Dog Town
I dont think its on the cards.You invariably end up paying over price for high profile recruits.

I hope we have enough money when Luke Power is ready to join his brother.

 

[Ching]

Originally posted by mike2j7
I'd rather a gun and some quality picks to be drafted. Not bits and pieces like street/koops

You're the one suggesting Simon Wiggins!