Aboriginal Shame File 1: Gary Narkle.

[The Dice Man]

I dont specifically work with Aboriginals but a healthy percentage of the clients i deal with identify themselves as Aboriginal.

But 5 minutes before this you posted...

Im not admitting anything, because im not. I work with Aboriginal kids pretty much every weekend. I have Aboriginal staff i supervise that arent on the grog and arent full of hate. Thats why im so passionate about the issue. There being let down by their own communties. Ive seen the abuse Aboriginals that do the right thing cop from other Aboriginals. Calling them Coconuts etc (Black outside, white inside) Uncle Toms and so on. But ive seen the violence as well. Ive seen how frighteningly casual, random and extreme it is. Ive seen the hatred for the white 'cxxx'. Its for that reason im come down so hard on the Gary Narkle's of this world who sadly there are far too many of.

Please explain?

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Those Birnies, black as the ace of spades they are, and that of course the Milat tribe are full of troublemaking abos .


Clearly the blokes a fruitloop and should be locked up indefinately, what I don't get is how this relates to the rest of the Aboriginal populace? Can you produce statistics saying aboriginals commit violent sexual assault more than whites?

 

[just maybe]

I dont specifically work with Aboriginals but a healthy percentage of the clients i deal with identify themselves as Aboriginal.

Oooops! UNIT Patented Backflip (TM) in full effect!

Another little lie exposed?

 

[Weaver]

You can put your head in the sand all you want, but all im saying is 'here is the problem'. Dont we need to examine the issues thoroughly? Doesnt that mean examining the possibility that perhaps, just perhaps, some ethnic groups are more prone to violence than others?

Examing the issues thoroughly is exactly what is needed, but precisely what you are NOT doing. For you the 'issue' is aboriginality.

Are a disproportionatly high number of aboriginals commiting crime? Yes.

Alternatively you will find that the poor, children of the poor, those without access to education, the unemployed ... are going to have a higher number of social problems including alcoholism and crime, than the general community.

Are aboriginal men dispropotionatly represented in crime stats amongst the unemployed or high-school dropout community? Probably not.

 

[PowerKop]

So after reading that, i ask why are Aboriginal men so violent? Why do they seem to have such an casual and blase attitude towards violence against people? Yes white people do all the same things, but there seems to be a cultural characterisic amongst specifically Nyoongar males in WA to be brutal. To want to hurt people, that goes beyond any concept of 'well theres rotten eggs in every race'. Im sorry but there are far too many Aboriginal rotten eggs and we need to work out why?
Are they just a violent race? Did we make them violent? Were they violent before the white man came? What can be done to stop them?

Please lets not allow this thread to descend into name calling and allegations of racism. Its far to serious an issue for that.

Thanks UNIT, you have have finally confirmed your pathetic Byron Pickett witchunt did have a separate agenda. After all I didn't think someone could get that worked up over a simple bump.

 

[purplesoul]

After all I didn't think someone could get that worked up over a simple bump.

You're wrong. UNIT can get worked up about anything when he hasn't had his ritalin.

 

[afc9798]

Totaly unfair to play the man rather than the issue.

Forget your brainwashing about race. It's perfectly reasonable and rational to take clear statistics like unit is presenting and discuss them in a rational way, and without personal abuse.

For me, aboriginals are a problem. They refuse to integrate and believe they have been robbed of their country by invaders. That attitude makes them believe they are more worthy than the rest of us. They therefore are racist in the truest of meanings. In their mindset they believe that aboriginal law allows them to do these things as fair retribution.

This is the issue we face. The way we handle it to date is to feel sorry and throw money at them. The people who are behind this are without doubt the root cause of the problem. The answer is a forward looking approach rather than a retrospective one.
One can argue, of course, that Maoris have been disinherited, American Indians, Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc, in fact most of the world. But that's life, ivasion, colonisation etc happens and always has. And burying ones head in the sand has never made anything better.

So the aboriginal population should actually thank the European setllers for destroying their ancestors lives, cultures and beliefs and killing hundreds of thousands of them in the process? They should be down on their bended knee saying thanks for the introduction of drugs, alcohol, petrol etc. that has erased so many of their people?

All this was just a minor incovenience on the way to making them God fearing, white obeying, slaves to consumerism?

If you can't see why aboriginal people have a problem and who caused that problem, then it is you who needs help.

 

[- PC -]

Totaly unfair to play the man rather than the issue.

Forget your brainwashing about race. It's perfectly reasonable and rational to take clear statistics like unit is presenting and discuss them in a rational way, and without personal abuse.

What stats? I didnt see any at all.Just statements of over representation. For every Narkle I can find a Mr Baldy.

For me, aboriginals are a problem. They refuse to integrate and believe they have been robbed of their country by invaders. That attitude makes them believe they are more worthy than the rest of us. They therefore are racist in the truest of meanings. In their mindset they believe that aboriginal law allows them to do these things as fair retribution.

Change aboriginal law for Sharia law and see how it sounds

 

[UNIT]

Aboriginal Shame File II: Brian William Edwards.

Meet Brian William Edwards...

Racist killer recaptured
"I want to kill all the white people"
Anna Marshall - 24 July 2005
One of Western Australia's longest-serving prisoners, locked up indefinitely for murdering a young white couple while on the run from jail, has been recaptured after ten days on the run following his escape from a minimum-security prison farm. Brian William Edwards was arrested on April 7, 2005 by heavily armed police in a bush camp south of Perth.
It was Edwards' third escape from prison during a near 40-year criminal career.
West Australians were warned not to approach Edwards under any circumstances, with police describing the 48-year-old Aboriginal as extremely dangerous, unpredictable and resourceful.
During Edwards' last stint on the run in 1979 he stole a farm vehicle containing a rifle and shot dead young lovers Susan Mills and Stephen Carvey who were picnicking in Dawesville, in the state's south-west.
When recaptured days later, he pleaded guilty to two counts of wilful murder, telling a judge he shot them only because he hated white people.

I realise the first thread of this series i started was provocative and did to a certain extent insinuate all Aboriginal men were violent. Of course they arent.

But none the less have a read of this article.


Aboriginal crime in Australia
What is meant by the term, "Aboriginals are over-represented in jails"?
The journalists and PR experts working, at taxpayer expense, for the Aboriginal industry have created a number of terms best described as emotive propaganda. One such term is "Aboriginals are over-represented in jails"

You wouldn't think they would publicise such a fact. But the propaganda effect has turned a negative into a positive. The term has been picked up and used by the Aboriginal industry, judges and do-gooders to try and make us all feel guilty about jailing any Aboriginal, regardless of the crime.

There may be some validity to this term if Aboriginals received longer jail sentences than white offenders. But the reverse is the case. On average, Aboriginals receive 42% shorter jail terms than non-Aboriginals jailed for the same offence (read the article "Judges soft on Aboriginal criminals").

Why are Aboriginals "over-represented" in jails
Simply because they commit more crime. According to the University of WA crime research centre, while Aboriginals make up less than 3% of the population, they commit 20% of the violent crime in Western Australia.

The research centre also found that one in five assaults, one in three robberies, more than one in three homicides and about one in ten sexual offences are inter-racial. About 93% of those involve Aboriginal offenders and non-Aboriginal victims.

That is why Aboriginals are "over-represented" in the criminal justice system. No amount of posturing and emotional blackmail can change the facts.

The hidden victims of Aboriginal crime

Picture: Northern Territory Police department

While the judges and do-gooders protect Aboriginal criminals (mainly males) from justice, they help perpetuate violence against Aboriginal women and children

The judges and do-gooders should read the following statistics and then hang their heads in shame:

Up to 50 per cent of Aboriginal children are victims of family violence and child abuse

A survey carried out among 120 households in Adelaide found 90 per cent of the women and 84 per cent of the young girls had been r*ped at some stage of their lives.

In most States, more than 70 per cent of assaults on Aboriginal women are carried out by their husbands or boyfriends

Aboriginal women are 20 times more likely than non-Aboriginal women to be victims of violence

Source: The publication, Through Black Eyes, published by the Secretariat of National Aboriginal and Islander Child Care.


I chose to title this series 'Aboriginal Shame Files' because in my opinion that is what these men/beasts are doing. They are bringing shame on their own people and perpetuating a commonly held belief in the community that Aboriginal men are violent and full of hate for the white man. I dont believe anyone can doubt that Brian William Edwards is the personification of this notion. But has the culture of 'you bastards owe me' contributed to the breeding of generation after generation of men like him? Men who are raised from birth to hate the white man, to want to hurt the white man? Again we need to discuss these issues and not get caught up in name calling and political correctness.

 

[rick James]

Unit, you might have a point, but presenting a crime from ONE aboriginal is hardly even a mild indication that there's inherent racism and deliberate crime perpetrated against us by aboriginals.

Show statistics, proper statistics that show a pattern. Not a once off case of a serial rapist.

 

[CharlieG]

Re: Aboriginal Shame File II: Brian William Edwards.

If you insist on keeping up with this nonsense, please keep it to the one thread.

 

[UNIT]

Unit, you might have a point, but presenting a crime from ONE aboriginal is hardly even a mild indication that there's inherent racism and deliberate crime perpetrated against us by aboriginals.

Show statistics, proper statistics that show a pattern. Not a once off case of a serial rapist.

See Aboriginal Shame File II: Brian William Edwards.

 

[The Dice Man]

So are you supervising those Aboriginal people you dont work with today UNIT?

PWNED!

 

[UNIT]

So are you supervising those Aboriginal people you dont work with today UNIT?

PWNED!

No. But thered be a good reason for that. The programmes i manage run on weekends.

 

[CharlieG]

Oh yeah, don't post anything about people that haven't been convicted of an offence, and don't give me a good reason to lock what I think is a very dubious 'discussion topic'.

 

[The Dice Man]

No. But thered be a good reason for that. The programmes i manage run on weekends.

I refer you to this

 

[UNIT]

Oh yeah, don't post anything about people that haven't been convicted of an offence, and don't give me a good reason to lock what I think is a very dubious 'discussion topic'.

What? The people 'who havent been convicted of an offence' arent the ones we have to worry about. Are we only allowed to talk about the warm and fuzzy side of Aboriginal Australia are we? And i wouldnt post anything about anyone who hasnt been convicted anyway.

 

[UNIT]

I refer you to this

I run recreational programmes for a wide range of primary aged young people, many of whom (at least 3 or 4 in every group) are Aboriginal. I have Aboriginal leaders that i supervise and they are a pleasure to be around for the most part. Ill even say this. The Aboriginal kids i work with are in many respects BETTER behaved than the white kids, but only when they appropriately supervised by Aboriginal leaders. They refuse to respect or moderate their behaviour if the directive comes from a white leader. Which is why im so critical of the Gary Narkle's, Edward's and Bropho's. Positive role models and strong positive discipline is vital in the raising of young Indiginous boys. Thats why these men need to be exposed, shamed and incarcerated. Men like them are passing on their hate, their violence and their anti social behavioural patterns. What i want to know is why there are so many violent Aboriginal men in the first place. To just say 'well the white man stole their land' is a cop out. Its got to be more complicated than that.

 

[The Dice Man]

I run recreational programmes for a wide range of primary aged young people, many of whom (at least 3 or 4 in every group) are Aboriginal. I have Aboriginal leaders that i supervise and they are a pleasure to be around for the most part. Ill even say this. The Aboriginal kids i work with are in many respects BETTER behaved than the white kids, but only when they appropriately supervised by Aboriginal leaders. They refuse to respect or moderate their behaviour if the directive comes from a white leader. Which is why im so critical of the Gary Narkle's, Edward's and Bropho's. Positive role models and strong positive discipline is vital in the raising of young Indiginous boys. Thats why these men need to be exposed, shamed and incarcerated.

Positive role models and strong positive discipline is vital in the raising of young boys FULL STOP.

 

[UNIT]

Positive role models and strong positive discipline is vital in the raising of young boys FULL STOP.

Absolutely. But with all due respect, Aboriginal boys are the ones that are more likely to end up in the clink. There the ones with the most pressing need.

 

[rick James]

Absolutely. But with all due respect, Aboriginal boys are the ones that are more likely to end up in the clink. There the ones with the most pressing need.

UNIT, thanks for the stats, interesting stuff.

Especially the 42% lighter sentences.... HOWEVER, I do believe that aboriginals are more likely to ne jailed than whites, notice how the article made that specific comment about comparing them only to whites who are jailed?

Especially with the NT's three strikes policy a ways back.

 

[UNIT]

I thought some of you may find this interesting....

Discrepancy in sentencing beetween Aboriginal and non Aboriginal Australians.

Homicide 14 years for the Non Aboriginal
10 years for the Aboriginal
Assault 2 years 6 months for the Non Aboriginal
1 year 6 months for the Aboriginal
Sex offences 6 years for the Non Aboriginal
7 years for the Aboriginal (Possibly due to extreme nature of many of the offences)
Other against person 3 years 3 months 3 years 3 months for both groups
Robbery 6 years for the Non Aboriginal
5 years 8 months for the Aboriginal
Break and enter 2 years for the Non Aboriginal
1 year 11 months for the Aboriginal
Fraud 1 year 8 months for the Non Aboriginal
2 years 6 months for the Aboriginal
Theft 1 year 1 year same for both groups ]B]Property damage[/U][/B] 3 years for the Non Aboriginal
9 months for the Aboriginal
Justice procedures 9 months 9 months Same for both groups
Good order offences 4 months for the Non Aboriginal
14 months for the Aboriginal
Drug offences 4 years 6 months for the Non Aboriginal
2 years 3 months for the Aboriginal
Driving offences 6 months for the Non Aboriginal
7 months for the Aboriginal
Other traffic offences 6 months for the Non Aboriginal
8 months for the Aboriginal
Other offences 1 year for Non Aboriginals
4 months 9 months for Aboriginals
All Offences = 3 years 6 months for the Non Aboriginal
2 years for the Aboriginal

Source: Australian Institute of Criminology, November 1999. Data derived from Prisoners in Australia (ABS 1998)

These stats clearly indicate that Aboriginal offenders who commit murder and serious assaults are recieving lighter sentences than non Aboriginal's who commit the same offences. Why?

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Wrong. Ive said it many times, that my heart goes out to anyone from any 'demonized' minority that is out there doing there best to forge a meaningful and happy life and make a positive contribution to the community. I know there are a many Aboriginals that are trying to do this. But sadly the only time many white people come into contact with Aboriginals is when they are abused by them in public when they dont give them money or cigerettes. Or when they walk past a whole group of them drinking and shouting in a park. Or when they see them on Crime Stoppers. Or when they go into Northbridge. I dont think its racist or 'blanket' to suggest that especially in Perth, there is a serious, cultural problem with Nyoongar Youth and violence that as i said goes beyond any 'theres bad apples in every basket' type arguments. You ask a cop who has to walk the beat. You can put your head in the sand all you want, but all im saying is 'here is the problem'. Dont we need to examine the issues thoroughly? Doesnt that mean examining the possibility that perhaps, just perhaps, some ethnic groups are more prone to violence than others?

Now I understand why you got stuck into Byron Pickett (aboriginal) for his high and reckless bump on Begley yet excused Stenglein's (non-aboriginal) use of the elbow which knocked out Eckerman and caused neck damage. Yep it all fits now.

You're disgusting, a racist who cloaks himself in the disguise of someone concerned about aboriginal well being.

Why don't you go and jump up and down about the Alan Bonds of this world who rip off the savings of investors leaving them on the bread line in their retirement then get off with a minimal sentence by pleading memory loss.

 

[UNIT]

Now I understand why you got stuck into Byron Pickett (aboriginal) for his high and reckless bump on Begley yet had nothing to say about Stenglein's (non-aboriginal) use of the elbow which knocked out Eckerman and caused neck damage. Yep it all fits now.

Believe what you want. If you still cant see the difference beetween the Pickett hit and the Stenglein hit thats your problem. How Port Adelaide of you to pull the race card on that one...

 

[just maybe]

Believe what you want. If you still cant see the difference beetween the Pickett hit and the Stenglein hit thats your problem. How Port Adelaide of you to pull the race card on that one...

No, it's just because you're a racist.

Again, we're waiting on statistics of violence perpetrated by whites of the same social class to the Aboriginals you're citing.

As for warm fuzzy stuff about Aboriginals...when was the last time you posted anything warm and fuzzy about Aboriginals. NEVER. You in fact do the exact opposite, perhaps some warm and fuzzy stuff is what we need after all the hate you produce.