Academy Watch

[dlanod]

But in that scenario, trades aside, do we still lose Keays to any club willing to take him at 19 or below?

OK, but if our only pick below 20 was pick 1, and we weren't prepared to use that on Keays, doesn't he go elsewhere?

No, there is no capacity for a team to prevent us getting Keays. The choice to take or pass would be purely our's.

1. A club will nominate Keays with their pick, same as previously (only difference is that it is now potentially on draft day and post-trades). That pick will be considered to be worth X points according to a published table.
2. A yet to be determined discount will be applied to get a new "value" that we need to match.
3. We will then need to forfeit or downgrade later picks equivalent to the discounted total, potentially including the following year's first round pick.

If we have picks 1, 20, 38, etc, and someone bids pick 5 (or 12, or 19) we can use some combination of 20, 38, etc to match that bid.

 

[jjami15]

Why do people keep thinoing that Keays is that good, look at Dawson He was best afield over the duration of the 2013 NAB champs and then he went se

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-28/lions-wait-on-academy-changes

Discount possibly down to 20% now

20%? Why bother really. Can't get a break.

 

[Judge]

No, there is no capacity for a team to prevent us getting Keays. The choice to take or pass would be purely our's.

1. A club will nominate Keays with their pick, same as previously (only difference is that it is now potentially on draft day and post-trades). That pick will be considered to be worth X points according to a published table.
2. A yet to be determined discount will be applied to get a new "value" that we need to match.
3. We will then need to forfeit or downgrade later picks equivalent to the discounted total, potentially including the following year's first round pick.

If we have picks 1, 20, 38, etc, and someone bids pick 5 (or 12, or 19) we can use some combination of 20, 38, etc to match that bid.

OK, thanks dlanod.

 

[BlackGun1]

Why do people keep thinoing that Keays is that good, look at Dawson He was best afield over the duration of the 2013 NAB champs and then he went se

20%? Why bother really. Can't get a break.

I think he's proved himself at this point to be travelling better than Dawson was at this stage last year.

 

[Panthera]

I think he's proved himself at this point to be travelling better than Dawson was at this stage last year.

Interesting after 43 possessions, 27 and 25 (the latter two against senior teams)...that Cal uses the adjectives consistent and solid. If that was Heeney last year, he would've written a whole article on him

 

[bearslover1996]

Interesting after 43 possessions, 27 and 25 (the latter two against senior teams)...that Cal uses the adjectives consistent and solid. If that was Heeney last year, he would've written a whole article on him

12 clearances?! I don't think that was on the stats website...Cal is keeping him under wraps for us.

 

[Kevvo]

Interesting after 43 possessions, 27 and 25 (the latter two against senior teams)...that Cal uses the adjectives consistent and solid. If that was Heeney last year, he would've written a whole article on him

To be fair, I had a quick look at the TAC cup site and it looks like he wasn't especially efficient with his use (16 KE, 12 KIE, 12 HE, 3 HIE, total DE 65%) . He didn't get any votes in the bests.

Still, it's a good sign when you are still getting involved like that even on your off days.

 

[Fatcat08]

There's a long way to go in the season yet but for arguments sake if ladder position was to remain as is then it would be interesting to see if either of the QLD teams would bid on a sydney or gws academy player with an early pick? Or would there be a bit of an unwritten agreement to not bid on each others players.

 

[dlanod]

There's a long way to go in the season yet but for arguments sake if ladder position was to remain as is then it would be interesting to see if either of the QLD teams would bid on a sydney or gws academy player with an early pick? Or would there be a bit of an unwritten agreement to not bid on each others players.

I would be shocked if any of the academy clubs bid on an academy player of another team. If they're all wanting their academies, the last thing any would want to do is feed the frenzy of "Mills/Hopper should have been pick 1/2 and their club only got them for cents on the dollar".

 

[iBeng]

I would be shocked if any of the academy clubs bid on an academy player of another team. If they're all wanting their academies, the last thing any would want to do is feed the frenzy of "Mills/Hopper should have been pick 1/2 and their club only got them for cents on the dollar".

 

[BlackGun1]

http://www.aflq.com.au/queensland-u18-state-academy-review-dandenong/

Alot of those blokes mentioned (Jesse Joyce, Dyson Budarick, Cody Filewood) all Suns academy guys.

Hipwood played defence for some parts aswell it seems. Keays not mentioned once which I find puzzling. Lets hope he doesn't pull a Greg Williams after his ROund 10 1993 performance

 

[KissKiss]

Just pointing out Knightmare's first profile on Keays:

2015 Draft Profiles:

Ben Keays (QLD – Bris – Academy – MID/FWD)
Height: 183cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 23/02/1997
Recruited from: Brisbane LionsPlayer Comparison: Luke Parker
Range: 1st round – 2nd round
Best position/role: Rotational midfielder/forward.
Strengths:
Marking ability – Keays has strong hands overhead and is a genuine marking threat forward of centre which is a terrific weapon for a midfielder and greatly increases his versatility. He can take 1v1 marks, marks on the lead and also marks in the air. He takes his marks overhead and takes his marks one grab. Also with body contact or bodies crashing into he has the ability to still take his marks cleanly.
1v1 ability – Keays in the 1v1 contest has excellent strength and against similar sized opponents consistently through superiority of body work and strength overhead outpoints his opponents.
Scoreboard impact - Keays is an excellent finisher from general play and set shots, and loves a goal, hitting the scoreboard with frequency and accurately whether he is playing through the midfield or in the front half.
Decision making ability – Keays consistently chooses the correct options be it in general play or after a mark/free kick. He has composure and takes the time to assess his options, does not rush, and picks out a high percentage target by both hand and foot.
Vision – Keays demonstrates excellent vision consistently lowering his eyes and finding the best and open targets inside 50 and up the field.
Ball use – Keays is a highly efficient user of the footy as demonstrated by his 81.43% disposal efficiency through the 2014 u18 championships. By hand he is reliable and by foot over short, medium and long distances also hits his targets, kicking it out in front of them or to the space for them to lead onto easily. Keays has good hurt factor and a 50-55m kick on him.
Inside/outside balance – Keays has ability both inside and outside the contest. As an inside midfielder Keays can win the contested ball, tackles strongly and can also win the clearances. He uses the ball reasonably well under pressure and by hand and foot can execute. Then outside the contest Keays can also find the footy, take a mark around the ground and also hits his targets with consistency and having an impact. Keays is better suited in my view as an inside player, but it is not like he will only win contested ball, or not win any contested ball and rely on just finding the ball outside the contest, and it is unusual that a junior has such a well balanced inside/outside game, so that is a big advantage with Keays.
Production – Keays is already a proven performer finishing the 2014 U18 Championships as an All Australian, proving that he can find the footy in bunches, take a grab and hit the scoreboard.
Questionmarks:
Contested ball winning ability – Keays is a very good contested ball winner but as one of better midfielders in the draft he would benefit from further improving his contested ball winning ability and taking it from very good to dominant which can allow him to be one of the best from this draft class.
Athleticism – Keays is a good athlete but not a freak athlete. He has a 15+ beep, so the endurance is there. And he always seems to be on the move and has very good agility which allows him at times to get around guys and makes him appear quicker than he is. So athleticism will not be a problem for him. You are just not likely to see him breaking the lines on the outside with more a quick first step and side to side speed more his strength rather than that straight-line, line breaking speed.
Defensive side of his game – Keays at this point is a dominant player offensively but at this stage the defensive side of his game is not as advanced. Keays is a strong tackler and gives good tackling and pressuring effort but he also needs to at times play a more accountable game and run harder defensively.
Weaknesses:
One sided – Keays at this point seems a left footer only and unwilling to use his right foot in the games I have seen. That ability to use both sides or at least use his right side when he needs to is something Keays would benefit from building into his game.

 

[jjami15]

Comparison: Luke Parker. I would be all if he turned out as good as Parker, yes please!!!

 

[BlackGun1]

I think thats a pretty spot on report. The lack of line breaking speed is probably his biggest downfall in that it probably equates to him getting alot of possessions that dont have a huge amount of impact, ala Rocky. I think he could be a very handy full time midfielder if he keeps putting on size and building his tank accordingly.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Simon Black, Greg Williams and Sam Mitchell show that if you excel in other areas then a lack of speed is not a huge liability.

 

[a mayes ing]

I think thats a pretty spot on report. The lack of line breaking speed is probably his biggest downfall in that it probably equates to him getting alot of possessions that dont have a huge amount of impact, ala Rocky. I think he could be a very handy full time midfielder if he keeps putting on size and building his tank accordingly.

The report does say that he has good hurt factor.

 

[BlackGun1]

The report does say that he has good hurt factor.

I dare say he is basing that off those big goals he kicked in the champs, he most certainly has a big kick on him when he needs it but in general play you don;t see it often. I know Quigley has alluded to this before.

Only being critical cause I want to keep a lid on it somewhat, all of us here know what happens when you overrate academy guys.

In other news though, great to see Hipwood jag two goals in the ressies. From what I heard he played really well.

 

[Forward We Go]

I dare say he is basing that off those big goals he kicked in the champs, he most certainly has a big kick on him when he needs it but in general play you don;t see it often. I know Quigley has alluded to this before.

Only being critical cause I want to keep a lid on it somewhat, all of us here know what happens when you overrate academy guys.

In other news though, great to see Hipwood jag two goals in the ressies. From what I heard he played really well.

Keays is a ball magnet. He has that ability to put himself in the right spots to get the ball and also can be an "in & under" player as well. His disposal is not great every time, but remember he is only young and will improve every game he plays at a higher level.
Hipwood has not had an outstanding game this year. In saying this, he has been involved in passages of play where he shows some exciting potential. Again, like Keays, the more games he plays at a higher level, the better they will get.
Don't forget both are still teenagers with obvious potential to play at the highest level. The challenge is to nurture this potential and make them complete footballers. This all takes time/effort & resources. They will never be world beaters at 17/18.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

...... They will never be world beaters at 17/18.

Browny was

 

[Hollow Knight]

Commission has reportedly rejected the new bidding rule proposal (for now at least) and want to see more information before they reconsider.

A welcome development. Bring on Keays with a straight up second round pick.

 

[Panthera]

Commission has reportedly rejected the new bidding rule proposal (for now at least) and want to see more information before they reconsider.

A welcome development. Bring on Keays with a straight up second round pick.

Surely too late (within 6 months of the draft) for changes to be made for 2015

 

[Lace Out]

Commission has reportedly rejected the new bidding rule proposal (for now at least) and want to see more information before they reconsider.

A welcome development. Bring on Keays with a straight up second round pick.

Who is making the proposal ?

 

[dlanod]

Surely too late (within 6 months of the draft) for changes to be made for 2015

Hahahah.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Who is making the proposal ?

Mark Evans.

 

[Fatcat08]

Commission has reportedly rejected the new bidding rule proposal (for now at least) and want to see more information before they reconsider.

A welcome development. Bring on Keays with a straight up second round pick.

Going to guess that Eddie may have gotten word about this the other week, hence his ranting of late.