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I’ve got three kids who played/play soccer. Seen plenty of games in the north and east. I reckon if you gave me three guesses i could pick the club.

Same qualifier as you - not all clubs are the same across every one of their teams, (be it good or bad), but there is sometimes a theme across a club.

Agree that Birrarung is a good club - always found them to provide a positive environments. Yarra Jets the same.

I have found that team and parent behaviour is aligned with the behaviours of the coaches and charecter of the team managers to be a good influence. My experience is that it is quite often determined how the coach acts, particularly yelling at the refs or the lines.

When that happens:
  • the kids and parents mimic the behaviour - almost always, and same for a well behaved set of leaders. Coach yells a lot, then generally parents yell a lot (and the kids).
  • whenever this happens, to be frank, the coach is then installing a real loser mentality. Kids want to blame someone else when something goes wrong. When the pressure goes up in the game, and it comes down to how the players perform in the big moments, those whingy players are least likely to be able to rise to the occasion.
  • Finally it makes it hard to get parents to put their hand up’s to ref or run the lines. I’m a TM at the moment, and i have so many parents tell me they don’t want to do it, or pull out of their rostered day on at the last minute.

As a result, i call out any coach who wants to yell at the ref. Theres the occasional let off steam, you might get away with it once or twice a game for a moment, but if you keep yelling at the officials, or even if you do it once with some real venom, i have no issue confronting it. That’s includes my coach, weve had a few uncomfortable discussions.

Most times it doesn’t lead to anything directly, but as soon as you normalise yelling tab officials, it impacts the kids and parents and their behaviours, it breaks down kids resilience, and generally creates an environment where people are scared to get involved. Of course it’s also the thin edge, where do you draw the line when things get more and more heated? I feel it’s better to just make it black and white…don’t yell at the ref.

Bit of a rant, and it sounds like your situation was so much worse, but I wish people were normal (yes, im the most normal person i know), and keep it in check for the sake of the kids and their joy of playing.

Yeah it’s pretty cringy when coaches yell at the refs especially in U12’s because it’s the first year that it’s an official ref and 95% of the time they’re just a teenager starting out. Luckily the ref we had on the weekend was an adult who couldn’t be bullied, but I have seen refs, usually kids get deliberately bullied by the coach and they often will give them favourable decisions because they don’t want to be bullied.
 
A 4 year knows that mum wears dresses, puts on makeup, eye liner etc.....Dad wears pants, has a beard etc. So when the 2 collide simultaneously as one person it may cause confusion and questions. Kids at that age are very intuitive and curious and I don't want to have to explain why they saw what they saw and complexities that come with that.

I couldn't care less if that's bigoted/transphobic.

Things need to be as simple possible for a 4 year old.

And I'd like to think that the majority of parents will die on this hill.
Lol, WTF is this shit? A four-year old knows this for two reasons only:

  • It is what they see their parents do, or
  • Society and the mass media set an expectation that this is "normal" and "natural" (eg Australian society circa 1945-2000)

I genuinely hope that it would be a very small number of parents that would die on this hill, but you're probably right, my instinctive guess is that it would be a marginal majority that holds this ridiculous view.
 

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I genuinely hope that it would be a very small number of parents that would die on this hill, but you're probably right, my instinctive guess is that it would be a marginal majority that holds this ridiculous view.

Nah it's definitely not the majority.

Thankfully.
 
I reckon some people use WhatsApp just so they can see if you’ve read the message or not.

Most messaging apps do this though.

Messenger.
Signal.
etc
 
Nah it's definitely not the majority.

Thankfully.
I dunno, I'm always mindful of the fact that I tend to surround myself with like-minded people, and I still hear echoes of such sentiments. Head out to the burbs distant from Australian cities, or major regional towns, and you might be surprised at the prevalence of such dickhead attitudes.
 
I dunno, I'm always mindful of the fact that I tend to surround myself with like-minded people, and I still hear echoes of such sentiments. Head out to the burbs distant from Australian cities, or major regional towns, and you might be surprised at the prevalence of such dickhead attitudes.

Oh those attitudes still exist, for sure. And in significantly bigger numbers than I'd like.

But they aren't the majority.

There's quite a lot of good polling on these type of issues, and the numbers are clear; Australians by-and-large support LGBTIQA+ rights, and they utterly reject attempts by conservatives to use trans people and trans kids to stoke bullshit culture wars.

We also, collectively as a nation, forcefully rejected it when Dutton and the coalition tried to use it in the most recent election. And it led to the largest political bloodbath we've seen in a generation.
 
I might be missing something here but whats the appeal with unemployed bums in this country?

namely Thomas Sewell types,

Thomas Sewell (born circa 1993 in New Zealand, raised in Australia) is not employed in a conventional profession. Instead, he is known as an Australian neo-Nazi activist, extremist organiser, and leader of multiple far-right white supremacist groups.


What roles does he hold?​


  • He is the self-appointed leader of the National Socialist Network (NSN), a neo-Nazi extremist organisation founded around 2021. The NSN emerged from a merger of the Lads Society and Antipodean Resistance. Wikipedia+1
  • Sewell also founded and leads the European Australian Movement (EAM), established in 2021, which is another ultra-nationalist, white supremacist group active in Australia. Wikipedia+1
  • Prior to that, between 2015 and 2017, he was involved in other far-right groups, including Reclaim Australia and the United Patriots Front (UPF), where he served as second in command under Blair Cottrell. Wikipedia
  • In late 2017, he co-founded the Lads Society, a white nationalist men-only group that combined extremist ideology with fitness activities. Wikipedia+1

Background and context​


  • Sewell served briefly as an infantryman in the Australian Army from 2012 to 2014, and studied civil engineering at Swinburne University before dropping out. Wikipedia
  • Rather than holding a traditional job, Sewell’s “work” consists of organising, leading, and promoting neo-Nazi and white supremacist activities and ideologies across multiple extremist organisations.

So, in essence, Thomas Sewell's “job” is being an extremist political organiser and leader of neo-Nazi groups in Australia—not a conventional professional role.
 
I dunno, I'm always mindful of the fact that I tend to surround myself with like-minded people, and I still hear echoes of such sentiments. Head out to the burbs distant from Australian cities, or major regional towns, and you might be surprised at the prevalence of such dickhead attitudes.
like yourself some of my mates have opinions in this area, i tend to not discuss these topics with them as they are set in their ways, would rather argue over stuff like if a cleveland or a windsor are a better engine, if a creedmore is better than the original 6.5 sweede or what hops to put in an XPA!
 

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True but they could just sent a text.

My clients always use it when I’ve been dodging them.

Texts don't have end-to-end encryption.

Other messenger services are much better. Only boomers still text.
 
Chad gains an ally in the Drag Queen story time at Kindergarten fetish stakes.

Again, you keep making it sexual.

And hey, I'm not here to kink-shame. If you are unable to control your feelings when you see drag queens, that's fine.

But that's a you problem, not an 'everyone else' problem.
 

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Yeah nah I think it’s very clear out of the 2 of us who’s the ‘meat and potatoes’ kinda guy and who’s the weirdo deviant.

Hint: it's not the one who keeps talking about kids and "fetishes".
 
Talk and participation are very different.

But as has been explained to you multiple times now, there's nothing sexual/fetish about a drag queen reading a story.

The only person linking it to anything sexual/fetish related is you. Therefore, the only conclusion to be drawn is that you have some kind of fetish that you're ashamed of when it comes to drag queens.

And as I said, I'm not here to kink shame. But please stop pushing it on to others.
 

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