Opinion Adam Goodes

[FreoGirl]

I bet you're spewing you weren't born indigenous with all the extra benefits you could get. Putting up with constant racism, poverty, incarceration and lack of education opportunities is a small price to pay for a few handouts that keep you on the bottom rung of society.

exactly - 2 people go for a job, one white and one indigenous - we all know who is most likely to get the job

 

[Danny Cullen]

exactly - 2 people go for a job, one white and one indigenous - we all know who is most likely to get the job

https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=jobs+wa+public+service+indigenous

 

[clogged]

I offered a deserved LOL to you.

Yes, I've seen your LOLs before. It's these contributions that see you banned. Unless you think this qualifies as pointing out flaws in logic, which would mean you're dimmer than I first thought.

 

[FreoGirl]

That's what it comes down to at the end of the day, they wouldn't do anything of the sort if they walked past him on the street, quite the opposite I'd wager. Mob mentality rules and it doesn't think twice about the consequences of it's actions in the cold light of day. It's been going on for what feels like forever, with no ending in sight. Would people continue to boo if it went public he'd been in contact with Beyond Blue or ActBelongCommit for example?

I've also described it as mass bullying and been attacked for that opinion. I think because they have the backing of their other bogan mates, it makes it ok

 

[clogged]

you are a bigger dickhead and troll t

When the government announced a Royal Commission into child abuse, Danny was one of the first people to jump in and defend the paedophile cult of Catholicism. That gives you an idea of the moral compass of the bloke.

 

[FreoGirl]

excellent! found the 'block' button - it's a good news day

 

[Danny Cullen]

Yes, I've seen your LOLs before. It's these contributions that see you banned. Unless you think this qualifies as pointing out flaws in logic, which would mean you're dimmer than I first thought.

Yes of course, because your opinion means more than mine. Seen it all before champ.

 

[Danny Cullen]

When the government announced a Royal Commission into child abuse, Danny was one of the first people to jump in and defend the paedophile cult of Catholicism. That gives you an idea of the moral compass of the bloke.

Didn't defend. Just pointed out all the other non catholic organisations involved. But of course, its only the Catholic Church.

 

[Frank J Moose]

Another LOL. He's booed because he's a dickhead. No other reason.

Yet in calling him a dickhead you referred to his comments about the Indigenous view of Australia Day as to why he is a dickhead.

 

[Banker]

exactly - 2 people go for a job, one white and one indigenous - we all know who is most likely to get the job

Its so sad but true.

This also applies to people without western names! All about 'cultural fit' even though you have grown up here and have all Australian values.

 

[Danny Cullen]

Yet in calling him a dickhead you referred to his comments about the Indigenous view of Australia Day as to why he is a dickhead.

Yep.

 

[Bradesmaen]

I don't boo, not even the umpires. I usually yell out things like "bs" etc. However I can understand why people are booing Goodes. He stages, he snipes, he plays dirty and then when people criticise him he's like an African American who gets into trouble with the cops (legitimately) and say's its because he's black. Playing the race card is what got him in trouble. And they aren't booing because he's aboriginal, more that he's using it as an excuse. People boo Lindsay Thomas but he has never claimed the race card, he just takes it on the chin. Yes Goodes is the most outspoken aboriginal player, but there are plenty around the league who speak about their heritage (Cyril for one) a fair bit and never get booed either.

I also hate that the AFL has come out and told people to stop it. You've made it worse and you've just pandered to a player. Sure he may be a dual brownlow medalist, but you still have to earn respect. No one cared when Liberatore was booed constantly even though he was a brownlow medalist, because he was also fairly dirty. No one cared when people booed and yelled out remarks about Stephen Milne and the alleged rape that he was found not guilty of. Well done media and AFL for making it worse than it has been by talking about it non stop, they are the biggest idiots in all of this and it's no surprise as the quality of journalists in the AFL is at it's lowest ebb.

 

[Frank J Moose]

Yep.

So you are admitting your dislike for him racially based. It's his views on his indigenous heritage and how they have been treated that make him a dickhead.

But it's not rascist.

 

[poshman]

I'm trying to find a white pillow case for you

Don't think this helps our side of the debate either, this type of post can derail from the rest of the more salient well thought out and expressed posts and potentially puts one in the same class as those booing.

I don't agree with him but perhaps there's a better way of expressing that?

I wrote at length on this thread and no one has responded to the questions I asked. Perhaps thought and discussion rather than resorting to mid flinging from both sides would be good.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

There are people who boo Goodes because he is a pratt. There are people who boo Goodes because he is seen as a recipient of and spokesperson for "aboriginal privilege". So unless you think it's fine to be seen as supporting the latter don't do the former.

Even though your reasons may be genuine by joining in you are giving tacit approval to the racial overtones of the booing.

The Goodes issue has outgrown the pantomime booing that Boomer, Crowley et al get.

Pretty much all that needs to be said on the topic.

So you are admitting your dislike for him racially based. It's his views on his indigenous heritage and how they have been treated that make him a dickhead.

But it's not rascist.

Always brings me back to this.

 

[FreoGirl]

Don't think this helps our side of the debate either, this type of post can derail from the rest of the more salient well thought out and expressed posts and potentially puts one in the same class as those booing.

I don't agree with him but perhaps there's a better way of expressing that?

I wrote at length on this thread and no one has responded to the questions I asked. Perhaps thought and discussion rather than resorting to mid flinging from both sides would be good.

it's ok - he's blocked - he's not worth my time or angst

 

[clogged]

I don't boo, not even the umpires. I usually yell out things like "bs" etc. However I can understand why people are booing Goodes. He stages, he snipes, he plays dirty and then when people criticise him he's like an African American who gets into trouble with the cops (legitimately) and say's its because he's black. Playing the race card is what got him in trouble. And they aren't booing because he's aboriginal, more that he's using it as an excuse. People boo Lindsay Thomas but he has never claimed the race card, he just takes it on the chin. Yes Goodes is the most outspoken aboriginal player, but there are plenty around the league who speak about their heritage (Cyril for one) a fair bit and never get booed either.

I also hate that the AFL has come out and told people to stop it. You've made it worse and you've just pandered to a player. Sure he may be a dual brownlow medalist, but you still have to earn respect. No one cared when Liberatore was booed constantly even though he was a brownlow medalist, because he was also fairly dirty. No one cared when people booed and yelled out remarks about Stephen Milne and the alleged rape that he was found not guilty of. Well done media and AFL for making it worse than it has been by talking about it non stop, they are the biggest idiots in all of this and it's no surprise as the quality of journalists in the AFL is at it's lowest ebb.

Goodes was booed from his very first possession against West Coast. Not because he had done anything dirty during the game, nor had he ever sniped or staged in a game against West Coast. He was booed from start to finish.

Which other player in AFL history has ever been subjected to this? In every game, for every possession. The level of animosity towards Goodes, for the reasons people are giving, would suggest he has been responsible for the most awful acts on the field: a king hit or deliberately injuring a player. He didn't even do something so disgustingly base like spitting or wiping blood on an opponent (why was Buckley never booed?)

The reaction to Goodes doesn't fit the crime. He is being booed for reasons other than what those who say they are doing so.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Goodes was booed from his very first possession against West Coast. Not because he had done anything dirty during the game, nor had he ever sniped or staged in a game against West Coast. He was booed from start to finish.

Which other player in AFL history has ever been subjected to this? In every game, for every possession. The level of animosity towards Goodes, for the reasons people are giving, would suggest he has been responsible for the most awful acts on the field: a king hit or deliberately injuring a player. He didn't even do something so disgustingly base like spitting or wiping blood on an opponent.

The reaction to Goodes doesn't fit the crime. He is being booed for reasons other than what those who say they are doing so.

Brent Harvey is booed almost every game he plays.. and he has done nothing to some of those teams. End of story.

If Adam Goodes never played the race card and did the Aboriginal War Dance then this would have blown over. He made it his own problem and as far as I am concerned he can cry himself into retirement and I won't care. You make the bed you lie in.

 

[FreoGirl]

Brent Harvey is booed almost every game he plays.. and he has done nothing to some of those teams. End of story.

If Adam Goodes never played the race card and did the Aboriginal War Dance then this would have blown over. He made it his own problem and as far as I am concerned he can cry himself into retirement and I won't care. You make the bed you lie in.

did you actually see the game? I've never seen/heard anything like it

 

[FreoGirl]

Goodes was booed from his very first possession against West Coast. Not because he had done anything dirty during the game, nor had he ever sniped or staged in a game against West Coast. He was booed from start to finish.

Which other player in AFL history has ever been subjected to this? In every game, for every possession. The level of animosity towards Goodes, for the reasons people are giving, would suggest he has been responsible for the most awful acts on the field: a king hit or deliberately injuring a player. He didn't even do something so disgustingly base like spitting or wiping blood on an opponent (why was Buckley never booed?)

The reaction to Goodes doesn't fit the crime. He is being booed for reasons other than what those who say they are doing so.

yes, it had nothing to do with his relationship with WCE and everything to do with their culture

 

[clogged]

Brent Harvey is booed almost every game he plays.. and he has done nothing to some of those teams. End of story.

Lies. Brent Harvey is only booed against Fremantle.

If Adam Goodes never played the race card and did the Aboriginal War Dance then this would have blown over. He made it his own problem and as far as I am concerned he can cry himself into retirement and I won't care. You make the bed you lie in.

Adam Goodes was being booed well before 'the war dance'.

 

[GilG]

...I can understand why people are booing Goodes. He stages, he snipes, he plays dirty and then when people criticise him he's like an African American who gets into trouble with the cops (legitimately) and say's its because he's black. Playing the race card is what got him in trouble.

Uh, excuse me, Bradesmaen.

I see in your profile you're from...Adelaide?

What would you know about "an African American who gets in trouble with the cops (legitimately) and says it's because he's black"? Exactly how long have you been an African-American? How long have you been an African-American male and lived in the United States? How long have you been an African-American male, lived in the United States and had encounters with police officers?

Mate, I've got more than 45 years' worth of experience in that department. Have you ever walked 30 seconds in my shoes? Or, more appropriately, in Adam Goodes's?

By all means, please further enlighten all of us.

 

[malpaso]

yes, it had nothing to do with his relationship with WCE and everything to do with their culture

I disagree it has to do entirely with the aboriginal culture, sure there are some that were doing it because they are racial ignorants however I believe it's more to do with the fact that not a whole lot of supporters like Goodes and are just jumping on this as a crutch to boo him.
He has a bit of 'woe is me' about him. I don't see other players being booed for calling out racism (Houli springs to mind) so I think it is just a widespread opinion of Goodes the person as he comes across through his words and behavior.

 

[Vintage]

exactly - 2 people go for a job, one white and one indigenous - we all know who is most likely to get the job

Its so sad but true.

This also applies to people without western names! All about 'cultural fit' even though you have grown up here and have all Australian values.

Totally - I remember when I was applying for jobs out of uni I really struggled to get a job because of ALL the aboriginals taking them ahead of me and my other white anglo-saxon male colleagues

Oh no, that's right - there weren't any aboriginals studying with me at uni were there???? Because most of them didn't have the same opportunities or upbringing that I did.

Seriously some of you have absolutely no idea. I am thankful every day that I grew up as part of 'the majority', in a household that earned just enough to not get any tax or other breaks, but nowhere near enough to go to a private school or anything like that (my parents hadn't travelled overseas until they were mid-late 40s when they took us to Bali for a week, we'd never owned a new car). And people have the nerve to complain that they don't get all the 'advantages' that aboriginals do... **** off.

 

[Mr Fonebone]

The tipping point for Goodes was when he publicly humiliated a 12 yo child at the MCG. Then he compounded it by dissing his country after recieved its highest civic honour. Now there are racists in this country for sure but Australia is still one of the most civil, tolerant and relaxed societies in the world and the public are well aware of the billions spent annually to assist the indigenous people. By slandering his fellow Aussies as racists Goodes has raised the ire of a lot of people who only wish the best for his people.

Booing Goodes, like booing anyone, is childish and silly. But it is the way the public have of telling him to pull his head in.

If Adam really wants to make difference he needs to leave trendy Sydney and head off to the remote communities where alcoholism, domestic violence and child neglect are a national tragedy.