AFL Prospectus

[silence ofthe Robert]

Im not sure how he can be classified as elite
He averages just 16 disposals a game this despite being freed up with decent midfield time, when hes bad he just does not get it.
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This is misleading. From 2010 on-wards Shed has averaged less than 16 possession in a season only once (2011 in which he averaged 15.7 disposals).

Otherwise he has averaged between 17.7 possession and 18.8 possessions in each year in that period. Prior to that he played as a permanent small forward getting his 10 to 12 touches a game.

18 possessions as a high half forward with occasional stints through the middle is pretty good especially with his hurt factor. He is in fact one of the most remarkably consistent players playing the game.

Eg This year Shed had 6 games where he got 20 plus possessions, 10 where he got 15 -19 and 4 where he got 12-14.

He did have a very poor finals record which he redeemed magnificently this year.

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1728&SeasonID=2017&Sort=AverageKicks Desc

 

[theflea]

You have hit the nail on the head here mate, Cotch is rated above Ave witch might be the case as a midfielder but to me this year his leadership was off the charts, some of the things he did esp in the finals may just come across as a contested ground ball get or handball to advantage in paper were defying moments in games or setting the standard for the team witch elevated everyone else’s performance

Top 15 % I think.

 

[mopsy]

He is classified "elite" as a Mid/Fwd, if he was either of those 2 alone he'd be above ave/ave but as a mix of both he's among the top 10-15% (i forget which it is) in the AFL.

How could he be above average as a fwd alone or a mid alone.we are talking numbers here and his are horrible.
He qualifies as a mid/fwd and id like to know what they need to qualify as elite in this role.Tackling and kicking goals certainly is not part of the criteria.

The only thing he is elite at is his hands in tight they are excellent.

He has had just
1/ 30 possesion game
11/ 25 - 29
42/ 20 - 24
153/ 19 or less hardly elite regardless of position.

This debate has gone on for almost as long as hes been at the club.It continues to rage some think hes a great player others and me just an average player who goes missing a lot in games who has some good really good games some howlers but just mostly average whos redeeming feature are his excellent hands in tight.

 

[mopsy]

How could he be above average as a fwd alone or a mid alone.we are talking numbers here and his are horrible.
He qualifies as a mid/fwd and id like to know what they need to qualify as elite in this role.Tackling and kicking goals certainly is not part of the criteria.

The only thing he is elite at is his hands in tight they are excellent.

He has had just
1/ 30 possesion game
11/ 25 - 29
42/ 20 - 24
153/ 19 or less hardly elite regardless of position.

This debate has gone on for almost as long as hes been at the club.It continues to rage some think hes a great player others and me just an average player who goes missing a lot in games who has some good really good games some howlers but just mostly average whos redeeming feature are his excellent hands in tight.

so many players could be deemed mid fwds dusty lambert caddy from us alone gray wingard rioli even betts spends some time rotating thru the midfield

It would be interesting to see where he ranks as mid and also as a fwd seperating the two.

 

[JR82]

How could he be above average as a fwd alone or a mid alone.we are talking numbers here and his are horrible.
He qualifies as a mid/fwd and id like to know what they need to qualify as elite in this role.Tackling and kicking goals certainly is not part of the criteria.

The only thing he is elite at is his hands in tight they are excellent.

He has had just
1/ 30 possesion game
11/ 25 - 29
42/ 20 - 24
153/ 19 or less hardly elite regardless of position.

This debate has gone on for almost as long as hes been at the club.It continues to rage some think hes a great player others and me just an average player who goes missing a lot in games who has some good really good games some howlers but just mostly average whos redeeming feature are his excellent hands in tight.

Well as a Fwd or a mid alone his #'s would certainly not be elite. he is in the "elite" bracket compared to all other players that are classified as mid/fwds. His #'s compared to thiers put him in the top few % which puts him in the elite bracket.
Thier listed position is determined by where they win the ball & it seems Edwards is a fairly even fwd/mid split hence the classification.

 

[Grrr]

so many players could be deemed mid fwds dusty lambert caddy from us alone gray wingard rioli even betts spends some time rotating thru the midfield

It would be interesting to see where he ranks as mid and also as a fwd seperating the two.

Is there any consideration given to what they do with the ball (besides goals & direct goal assists). Perhaps this might explain it, not often an Edwards possession doesn't have a positive/constructive result.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Thanks, but I meant more about how does Higgins compare to the other Draftees from 2017 (outside richmond)
eg: davies-uniacke, Dow, Brayshaw etc..

In terms of the champion data rankings the top 10 of this years draft crop are

1- Jack Higgins
2- Cam Rayner
3- Jaidyn Stephenson
4- Andrew Bradshaw
5- Luke Davis-Uniacke
6- Paddy Dow
7- Adam Cerra
8- Lachlan Fogarty
9- Dylan Moore
10- Oscar Allen

They are comparing Higgos numbers to Tom Rockliff (higgos still slightly better) and from what they are saying he was overlooked as an earlier pick due to his small size and lack of speed and not having as much of an impact with his disposals once again very similar to Rockliff who was overlooked in his draft year for being “too slow”

By the looks of it the clubs who have overlooked Higgins have done so looking for either a quicker player or one they deem that is more quality over quantity in terms of possessions but the blokes at champion data seem to imply that they have made a mistake and missed on what will be an amazing player

They have Higgins Ave 145.1 across 33 games and Rockliff Ave 144.3 across 36

The next best players they have on record are Steele Sidebottom at 137.3 over 22 games and Devon Smith 136.6 over 26 games

 

[TJASTA]

Just got the new AFL Prospectus and our list is ranked 8th.
#fakenews

 

[mopsy]

Just got the new AFL Prospectus and our list is ranked 8th.
#fakenews

You dont have to have the best overall list to win a premiership you only need with a good injury run 18 20 players who stay healthy.

Its the system that won us a flag and that does mean we dont neccesarily have to have a team full of A and B graders fact is we dont.

 

[Grrr]

You dont have to have the best overall list to win a premiership you only need with a good injury run 18 20 players who stay healthy.

Its the system that won us a flag and that does mean we dont neccesarily have to have a team full of A and B graders fact is we dont.

Agreed, but most teams don't have a team of A's & B's, including us, but name a better team than us in the last half of the 2017. Plenty better teams than us over the last 20 years, but right now, there is very little difference between the top teams. So yes injury and consistency have a big say.

 

[Toadvine]

In terms of the champion data rankings the top 10 of this years draft crop are

1- Jack Higgins
2- Cam Rayner
3- Jaidyn Stephenson
4- Andrew Bradshaw
5- Luke Davis-Uniacke
6- Paddy Dow
7- Adam Cerra
8- Lachlan Fogarty
9- Dylan Moore
10- Oscar Allen

They are comparing Higgos numbers to Tom Rockliff (higgos still slightly better) and from what they are saying he was overlooked as an earlier pick due to his small size and lack of speed and not having as much of an impact with his disposals once again very similar to Rockliff who was overlooked in his draft year for being “too slow”

By the looks of it the clubs who have overlooked Higgins have done so looking for either a quicker player or one they deem that is more quality over quantity in terms of possessions but the blokes at champion data seem to imply that they have made a mistake and missed on what will be an amazing player

They have Higgins Ave 145.1 across 33 games and Rockliff Ave 144.3 across 36

The next best players they have on record are Steele Sidebottom at 137.3 over 22 games and Devon Smith 136.6 over 26 games

What does it say about Jack Graham if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Wacky Tiger]

What does it say about Jack Graham if you don't mind me asking?

Freako says: Dosent have to do anything for the rest of his career. Hes already won the Tigers a premiership

 

[TJASTA]

You dont have to have the best overall list to win a premiership you only need with a good injury run 18 20 players who stay healthy.

Its the system that won us a flag and that does mean we dont neccesarily have to have a team full of A and B graders fact is we dont.

I was only making a meme mopsy, stop taking everything so seriously.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Jack Higgins is a best going by champion data rankings he is rated either elite or above Ave in every single stat and no player has ever aved more across Jr Careers

Balta seems to have played a lot of different positions witch makes him hard to read and compare to other players they have him listed here as a key forward but also ranking quite high for intercept marks when playing defense so I think it will be a while before the club works out his best position very similar to Rance in that regard

Colmeman Jones has a knee injury half way through the season but according to champion data he’s rated elite in disposals, score involvements, hitouts to advantage and contested disposals
Looks like the club has played “money ball” with this pick and could be on to a winner

Naish was the highest ranked player in meters gained in the under 18’s comp but he’s contested ball numbers were extremely low

Ben Miller ranked elite for uncontested possessions, goals, assists and score involvements and above Ave in disposals, contested possessions, intercept marks , hitouts to advantage and intercept marks also ranking fourth in the goal kicking test at the combine

Along with Coleman jones miller looks really promising but I’m unsure if we will see them this year just because talls tend to take a few years in the system before being played

In terms of rookies Ben Miller had good numbers across the boad playing as a small forward playing in the colts in W.A. I think he was a best available pick at that point in the rookie draft hard to place weather the club sees him as just a depth player or have plans for him in the future

And finally Derek Eggmolesse-Smith we drafted though our academy playing for Bendigo pioneers and our vfl last year has some nice numbers as a defender intercept possessions stands out

We really did pick outstanding juniors, in certain areas, except for Higgins who is just elite. I am looking forward to seeing Higgins this year. I imagine he'll playa bit. Probably not 22 games, but enough for him to see what's what and for us to see his strengths and weaknesses.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

If you look at some of the elite players in other sides you'll know this whole thing is a massive joke

 

[TJASTA]

Some of my favourite quotes from this AFL Prospectus:
"Richmond made pressure sexy"
"Mick Molloy ... you're a genius"