All-D Team

[Mike33]

Gofa started the all nba one so i thought i'd do this one

1st
Allen Iverson
Ron Artest
Andrei Kirrilenko
Ben Wallace
Theo Ratliff

2nd
Jason Kidd
Doug Christie
Shawn Marion
Tim Duncan
Marcus Camby

What does everyone think?

 

[jerry springer]

Originally posted by Mike33
Gofa started the all nba one so i thought i'd do this one

1st
Allen Iverson
Ron Artest
Andrei Kirrilenko
Ben Wallace
Theo Ratliff

What does everyone think?

theo ratliff is a over-rated defender.he often leaves his opponent to go for a block.i would move wallace to centre and insert garnett or Duncan.

 

[jerry springer]

Originally posted by Mike33
Gofa started the all nba one so i thought i'd do this one



2nd
Jason Kidd
Doug Christie
Shawn Marion
Tim Duncan
Marcus Camby

What does everyone think?

and insert bruce bowen,instead of marion.players hate having him guarding them.

 

[Mike33]

Re: Re: All-D Team

Originally posted by jerry springer
theo ratliff is a over-rated defender.he often leaves his opponent to go for a block.i would move wallace to centre and insert garnett or Duncan.

fair enough, dont think theo is over rated though

 

[jerry springer]

Re: Re: Re: All-D Team

Originally posted by Mike33
fair enough, dont think theo is over rated though

he isnt a bad defender just not in the class of Garnett or duncan at the PF spot.Elton Brand is a fantastic defender too,i would have him ahead of ratliff.

 

[thehardaway]

Re: Re: All-D Team

Originally posted by jerry springer
and insert bruce bowen,instead of marion.players hate having him guarding them.

Might be more to that though than just defense. Read something around the All-Star break where players were questioning the legality of his tactics. The discussion was based on whether he was a dirty player, shall try find it

 

[Mike33]

Re: Re: Re: Re: All-D Team

Originally posted by jerry springer
he isnt a bad defender just not in the class of Garnett or duncan at the PF spot.Elton Brand is a fantastic defender too,i would have him ahead of ratliff.

yea good point i didnt think of elton brand... but he isnt a center, neither is kevin. But yea they are prob both better defenders

 

[jerry springer]

Re: Re: Re: All-D Team

Originally posted by thehardaway
Might be more to that though than just defense. Read something around the All-Star break where players were questioning the legality of his tactics. The discussion was based on whether he was a dirty player, shall try find it

nice guys finish last.every championship team needs a dirty player

pat riley used to worship him

 

[Thewlis Dish]

An all defensive team is not legit unless it includes Vitaly Potapenko.

 

[mattyc2422]

C Tim Duncan
PF Ben Wallace
SF Bruce Bowen
SG Ron Artest
PG Payton, probably.

6th man - AK47.

 

[gofaz18]

1st team

C - Ben Wallace
PF - Tim Duncan
SF - Andrei Kirilenko
SG - Ron Artest
PG - Jason Kidd

2nd team

C -Theo Ratliff
PF - Elton Brand
SF - Kevin Garnett
SG - Bruce Bowen
PG - Kirk Hinrich

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by gofaz18
1st team

C - Ben Wallace
PF - Tim Duncan
SF - Andrei Kirilenko
SG - Ron Artest
PG - Jason Kidd

2nd team

C -Theo Ratliff
PF - Elton Brand
SF - Kevin Garnett
SG - Bruce Bowen
PG - Kirk Hinrich

Hinrich is a good kid, but not even close to being the second best defensive PG in the league.


BTW Anyone that doesn't put Andrei Kirilenko in the first team, isn't serious.

 

[noogie_da_sheep]

1st team

C - Big Ben
PF - Duncan
SF - AK-47
SG - Ronny
PG - J Kidd

2nd team

C - Ratliff
PF - Brand
SF - KG
SG - Bowen
PG - Iverson

 

[jod23]

Big Ben
TD
AK47
Artest
Kidd

Tough to leave out KG though and Im not sure if they really stick to position nowadays, if not, remove Kidd and slot in KG.

 

[morpheus]

Camby
Big Ben
AK47
Ronny
Kidd

TD
KG
Matrix
Bowen
B-diddy?

 

[TGR]

AI plays the passing lanes well but is a weak 1 on 1 defender, although he did win the N.C.A.A defensive player of the year award at G-town. More for his high number of steals than lock-ups.

 

[Mike33]

Originally posted by The God Rakim
AI plays the passing lanes well but is a weak 1 on 1 defender, although he did win the N.C.A.A defensive player of the year award at G-town. More for his high number of steals than lock-ups.

Mostly true, but i wouldnt say WEAK defender as such, not particularly a good defender, but more often than not is playing on people 6 inches taller than him.

 

[thehardaway]

Ray Allen doesn't like Bruce Bowen much


Bowen's style still bothering Allen
Web Posted: 03/04/2004 12:00 AM CST

Mike Monroe
Express-News Staff Writer

Pre-game rhetoric aside, the key matchup of Wednesday's Spurs-Seattle SuperSonics game at the SBC Center got turned on its head.

It was supposed to be about Bruce Bowen's dirty defense vs. Ray Allen's sweet shot. But Bowen, while frustrating Allen once again, made an equal impact at the offensive end.

Including an unchallenged 3-pointer at the buzzer, Allen outscored Bowen 21-14. But their matchup effectively was a push because Bowen was far more efficient, needing only seven shots to get his 14 while Allen took 19.

It is evident Bowen messes with Allen's head with a lock-down defensive approach Allen insists is dirty. There has been some nastiness between the two in the past, and Allen refused Wednesday to soften his assertion that Bowen crosses the line with aggressive defensive tactics.

When it was suggested to Allen that Bowen believes he just plays defense more vigorously than most, but keeps it clean, Allen disagreed.

"In his right mind, I know he doesn't believe that 100 percent," Allen said. "I agree with him he plays hard, but there's a lot of other stuff that's outside the realm of playing hard. We all see it. The referees see it, but sometimes they just ignore it, for whatever reason they have. We all see the things that toe the line of being dirty basketball.

"So whether he wants to think that or not is one thing, but we all know it and see it."

Allen said Bowen goes to further extremes than other players who have reputations for dirty tactics.

"Everybody used to say John Stockton was dirty, Karl Malone was dirty," Allen said. "They used to hold you when they would set screens and you always felt like you were getting screwed because you were getting held and you couldn't get over the screens.

"But that's not the issue here. It's the pushing in the back when you go to the hole. Or punching you in the stomach when you're dribbling. You know that's dirty basketball."

Bowen didn't know how to respond to Allen's assertions.

"Punch in the stomach?" he said, incredulous. "This is an All-Star who's being paid a lot of money to do his job and there's a reason why you're an All-Star: Because you're gifted and a lot more talented than other guys.

"When people hear statements like that they can do one of two things: Retaliate by saying something back to them and look like the smaller person. Or I could just let my play show for it, and that's what I choose to do."

By unofficial count, Allen made only 4 of 12 shots while Bowen had the defensive assignment on him.

Bowen also made all four of his foul shots. When you are a 55.7 percent free-throw shooter, this is significant.

"We understand that during the course of a lot of games if we just knocked down our free throws we'd get a few more victories," Bowen said. "No one goes up there trying to miss them, but I think it's just guys understanding that now we have even less room for error. Because of that there's a heightened awareness on the free throws tonight."

 

[jerry springer]

the worst thing allen can do is gob off to the media about it.now every hard -ass in the nba will be belting him and screwing with his head

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Is Ray Ray a distant relative of Tracy McGrady?

 

[thehardaway]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Is Ray Ray a distant relative of Tracy McGrady?

Seems that way. Has been crying in the media a bit of late

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

AI said Kirk is one of the best defensive guards in the league so thats a pretty good rap on a player still in his rookie season!