Society/Culture American vandal

[Docker Clint]

if it's private property, your opinion on how it looks is irrelevant.

Exactly.

Here's a story: A few years back in Adelaide a bloke who owned property along the Glenelg tramline gave a few spray can artists permission to do something with his wall. A week later the transport authority came along and covered it with grey paint.

 

[Mr Q]

Yeah, well public space is public, I don't give a shit who paid for it. I think artistic expression trumps private expropriation of public space every time. And if you don't like it, suck a nut, you're not supposed to like it. That's the point. Art provokes reaction and you are reacting, by very definition it has served its purpose.

No way. If you don't ask permission, you don't have permission. It's a simple rule, and one that's not got any grey areas. I dare say there's a few places where you'd get the permission if you actually asked - and everyone else has a right to expect that their property (whether private or public) is the same the next day as the last one.

 

[omit]

Exactly.

Here's a story: A few years back in Adelaide a bloke who owned property along the Glenelg tramline gave a few spray can artists permission to do something with his wall. A week later the transport authority came along and covered it with grey paint.

so he gave permission for some work to be done to his fence, only to have the transport authority paint over it?

 

[bit_pattern]

No way. If you don't ask permission, you don't have permission. It's a simple rule, and one that's not got any grey areas. I dare say there's a few places where you'd get the permission if you actually asked - and everyone else has a right to expect that their property (whether private or public) is the same the next day as the last one.

Well, I guess that's where the 'suck a nut' bit comes into it. It's not supposed to be legal and people like you aren't meant to appreciate it because you totally miss the point. It's an outlaw art and its proponents don't give a shit about you private property sensibilities.

 

[bit_pattern]

so he gave permission for some work to be done to his fence, only to have the transport authority paint over it?

It's only 'your' fence on the side that faces you, that's kind of the point of fences. I'd imagine fences backing onto transport are considered their property. That's like people saying that if you graf a wall in an alley you are defacing private property but your not because the laneway is public property, and I personally support the rights of artists to reclaim public property and to turn into into public artspace.

 

[tandino]

Well, I guess that's where the 'suck a nut' bit comes into it. It's not supposed to be legal and people like you aren't meant to appreciate it because you totally miss the point. It's an outlaw art and its proponents don't give a shit about you private property sensibilities.

But that won't stand up in both a court of law as well as the court of public opinion (yeah, I know, that's the point)

It's an interesting discussion. Myself personally, I don't have an issue with Graffiti as an art form, because some of it would well and truly pass as legitimate art. Some of it is absolute shithouse though, which nobody can deny. A 5 second job with a can of black spraypaint or a texta isn't art, and shouldn't be legitimised as such by being lumped with the more decent pieces of work in arguments of this nature.

(I think that's what most people take issue with. They care less about the stuff in Hosier Lane (and possibly even appreciate it) but get up in arms when some moody teenager goes to work on their front fence)

My problem with is with the mentality that you indicated. Private or public, at the end of the day every piece of "infrastructure" (as opposed to land) belongs to someone, be it an individual, a government or a organisation. I take issue with people coming along thinking "This wall is pretty bland, but I know better than the owner" or "I don't give a **** what they think, I'm doing it anyway". Approach the owner, it's their right to turn you down, you don't have the right to do it anyway. (yeah, I know, that's the point)

 

[placebo]

Well, I guess that's where the 'suck a nut' bit comes into it. It's not supposed to be legal and people like you aren't meant to appreciate it because you totally miss the point. It's an outlaw art and its proponents don't give a shit about you private property sensibilities.

Then they should be punished. And if they complain, they're ******ed.

 

[bit_pattern]

Catch 'em if you can!

 

[Patrick Bullet]

It's an outlaw art and its proponents don't give a shit about you private property sensibilities.

I guess that's why we call them vandals.

 

[TheBloods]

No it's about an idiot who came here just so he could vandalise, if he had have been Black, Middle Eastern, or Asian, this thread would be 10 pages long now.

You mean it would have been a bigoted thread exactly the same as this one is? You are an amazing hypocrite. You always complain about people's bigoted attitudes to 'minorities' yet you have an irrational and inflexible hate toward anything American. You are as bigoted as the people you hate most. You are what you hate. Quite sad really.

 

[TheBloods]

Catch 'em if you can!

They do get caught and then they get released with no punishment. Art work, like Banksy, is one thing, but tagging is completely different. The vast majority is tagging and is a negative for civic image, and offenders should be punished heavily.

 

[TheBloods]

It's only 'your' fence on the side that faces you, that's kind of the point of fences. I'd imagine fences backing onto transport are considered their property. That's like people saying that if you graf a wall in an alley you are defacing private property but your not because the laneway is public property, and I personally support the rights of artists to reclaim public property and to turn into into public artspace.

Rubbish. If your house backs onto a laneway then you think people should be able to paint what they like onto your house? You think people should be able to paint what they like onto your fence? What a ridiculous view.

 

[bit_pattern]

If it's public property then sure, why not? Try and stop it.

 

[TheBloods]

Advocating criminal behaviour if you can get away with it... top work

 

[bit_pattern]

****in' aye!