Anyone else boycotting the game today?

[Kane McGoodwin]

IPersonally, although reluctantly, I'll give Craig my support, because he now is the coach of the team that I love.

If it all goes pear-shaped and Craig fails, THEN we all should be protesting and demanding several resignations.

I agree 100%. Time to move on & support Craig & our club.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I agree with you to a point.

Craig was not my 1st or 2nd choice as coach, nor was I happy with the transparency of the process.

For the club to be annoyed with me and many others for having doubts is back to front. If there was a genuine process, then they should be looking inwards and examining just what was wrong with the way that the process came through publicly, because it's unarguable that as a public relations exercise, it was one of the all-time great disasters.

As one small voice, I did everything in my power, which is limited, to let the club know that there were many of us who had a perception that it was a flawed process, be that correct or not.

Having said all of the above, Craig has been appointed as coach for the next 3 years, whether we like it or not. The one thing that the AFC, Craig and all of us supporters do have in common is that we all want the club to be successful.

What each individual does from here on in is totally up to them and will differ from person to person. There is no right or wrong.

Personally, although reluctantly, I'll give Craig my support, because he now is the coach of the team that I love.

If it all goes pear-shaped and Craig fails, THEN we all should be protesting and demanding several resignations.

I believe the Craig scenario is similar to many business scenarios, where there is a favoured in-house applicant management is obliged to benchmark against outside applicants.

Its not unusual to go into an interview process knowing there is a favoured insider, which gives the in-house applicant a distinct advantage.

However if the outside applicant is able to demonstrate they are a distinctly better candidate, they can, in an organisation with good corporate governance, still get the nod.

I believe the AFC does have good corporate governance, so they felt that the applicants were not superior enough to change their opinions of Craig.

Normally these process's are not so public, but it is not unusual by any stretch.

 

[macca23]

I believe the Craig scenario is similar to many business scenarios, where there is a favoured in-house applicant management is obliged to benchmark against outside applicants.


Normally these process's are not so public, but it is not unusual by any stretch.

No, that's not my point.

My point was, no matter how correct the process may have been, if thousands of people thought there was something wrong with it, then the club somehow has stuffed up the whole thing as a public relations exercise between it and it's own supporters.

And that should concern them enough to see what they could have done better.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No, that's not my point.

My point was, no matter how correct the process may have been, if thousands of people thought there was something wrong with it, then the club somehow has stuffed up the whole thing as a public relations exercise between it and it's own supporters.

And that should concern them enough to see what they could have done better.

Macca, once they headed down the path they did, I'm at a loss as to how they could have recovered their position.

Listened to Jackson on Melbourne radio, he wasn't sick, he had a long standing business meeting.
He made no attempt to disguise the fact that he knew Eade very well, and he felt no need to be at the 2nd interview. No dancing around the subject, straight to the point. He said no 1 interview is that significant as to change his opinion.

Goes back to my earlier point.

 

[jmorg1]

He made no attempt to disguise the fact that he knew Eade very well.

So what was Jackson's opinion of Eade that led to him (WJ) being against Eade's appointment?

 

[relapse]

and that type of 'fan' and I use that term VERY loosely can quite frankly **ss off hand in their tickets to someone a lot more worthy

If you are more worthy then why dont you already have a season ticket?

Had mine since `92, lined up for three days in 98 for a grand final ticket (got on the line straight after getting back on the bus from the WB prelim final) so dont go loosely calling me a fan.

I just didnt like the supporters getting jerked around by the AFC thats all. I dont hate neil craig, I just think the whole process of what happened sucked. If you dont like what I do or did then TOUGH, I pay my $180 every year and I will do whatever I want to do with my ticket.

 

[relapse]

I see nothing wrong with an existing season ticket holder/member such as relapse protesting the boondoggle that was the appointment of Neil Craig by not attending a given game(s).

Furthermore, he has also had the courage to publicise his controversial choice of stand on these forums, and all power to him. What I dislike (and this is only my own personal opinion, if you disagree that's your prerogative) is the cliched responses of "fine then, bugger off and hand your tickets in so those on the waiting list can have them."

The obvious question this raises is, what gives those on the waiting list a greater entitlement to those season tickets than an existing member such as relapse who has had the courage to make a protest and publicise it? Those on the waiting list in 2004 are there for a reason - they have either taken the belated decision to acquire AFC season tickets or they have not renewed their tickets in seasons past and have realised that decision was a bloody stupid thing to do. It's called a 'waiting list' for a reason - they can wait until their desired number of tickets comes up.

Relapse would have seen his fair share of thick and a hell of a lot of thin - they're his tickets and he has every right to use them as he sees fit within the rules and conditions laid down by the Adelaide Football Club. There is nothing that says he cannot attend games by choice - if he chooses to hand in his tickets at the end of the season then fine, those at the top of the queue on the waiting list can have them.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are right, I have given then 12 years of season ticket money not to mention the countless melbourne trips, hundreds of dollars in merchandise that I have given to the club. I am not planning to hand my ticket in. I guess that doesnt make me a 'true supporter'

Here again is why I didnt go today......

I would have been happy if when Ayres left if they said Neil Craig is the man he is who we want as coach. We all would have accepted it and gotten on with it. They made this statement that they were going to look for the best coach they could get and they didnt do this, it has nothing to do with not being a 'real" supporter nor does it have anything to do with them having a bad year. It has to do with the fact that they made the claim of what they were going to do and never did it. They lied to their supporters and now cant take the heat for a senario that they have totally botched up in almost all facets. They are definately out of touch with their supporters and it was never more evident than in Bill Sander's speech today which I heard on the radio.

That is the reason why I am annoyed, so people can claim what they like, but I didnt go to make a statement that us (the supporters) arent all just dumb sheep that flock to games never giving a second thought to anything. Mainly too cos the AFC has been trying to get people to go to the games, but they havent showed the supporters any respect and think that they can easily pull the wool over our eyes.

 

[relapse]

No, that's not my point.

My point was, no matter how correct the process may have been, if thousands of people thought there was something wrong with it, then the club somehow has stuffed up the whole thing as a public relations exercise between it and it's own supporters.

And that should concern them enough to see what they could have done better.

I agree totally at the end of the day this is a professional football club. They totally botched the interview process and for a professional club that is just really unprofessional.

Mistake 1

1. Making a claim that they were going for the best available coach, which they had no intention of doing

2. Picking a person that already had made a preconceived decisions about the process and who they wanted(wayne jackson).

3. Botching up the process by panel members not being at interviews.

There are three huge mistakes that the AFC stuffed up and it is really unacceptable for a professional organisation.

They wanted Craig they should have just told everyone at the start instead of making one bungle after the other and now getting hot under the collar for the criticism that they are now receiving. They can point fingers all they want but they phuct up and only have themselves to blame.

If they cant even get an interview process right then you have to wonder what else is possibly getting stuffed up around the club.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So what was Jackson's opinion of Eade that led to him (WJ) being against Eade's appointment?

He didn't offer an opinion, just that he knew him well from AFL coaches meetings, and didn't think the interview was the be-all of the process.

 

[dA Crow]

and that type of 'fan' and I use that term VERY loosely can quite frankly **ss off hand in their tickets to someone a lot more worthy

Here , here !!

 

[MaccasNeighbour]

I missed a pretty important family lunch today to go to the game. Put me in the doghouse with the missus, but always worth it to see the boys have a win.

 

[Baldrick]

I am but just for this week, I will resume going again next week I was planning to sit out the rest of the season, but I think today should suffice.

I didn't go to the game, not as a boycott though. However, if I was able to go I may have chosen to boycott.

I respect everyone's right to choose and applaude those who have chosen to exercise their rights even in the face of a bunch of sycophants.

 

[MaccasNeighbour]

I didn't go to the game, not as a boycott though. However, if I was able to go I may have chosen to boycott.

I respect everyone's right to choose and applaude those who have chosen to exercise their rights even in the face of a bunch of sycophants.

We used to get called loyal fans, now we're sycophants!?

 

[Baldrick]

We used to get called loyal fans, now we're sycophants!?

They're not mutually exclusive. I was merely pointing out that Relapse's decision should be respected. It doesn't make him any less a loyal Crows fan than anyone else with a ticket, and shouldn't be denigrated by others seeking favor.

 

[_espoir]

Relapse's decision should be respected.

Respected? Not to some. Apparently to some if you dont go to a game, thats it hand if over the the ACF police to hand to some one "less" fortunate. I believe everyone has a right to boycott or not attend a game. Simple fact its a part of life. You stand up for what you believe in, whether its in the work place or on a sports field. Some don't agree with the AFC over the coaching, but heck surely soon enough they'll forget it and move on, but this WEEK some have chosen to stand up for what they believe in.

So i say good on Relapse for standing up for what he believes in, and to anyone who attacks another over their stand on this issue, then re-think it. Doesn't the work place have strikes to get more money? why is not attending a game WHICH he has already paid for ..such a big issue? Its not his fault YOU dont have a season tix. Its his money and his tix let him do what he wants with it.

 

[Tyson20]

why is not attending a game WHICH he has already paid for ..such a big issue? Its not his fault YOU dont have a season tix. Its his money and his tix let him do what he wants with it.

spot on!

its Relapses' ticket to do with, what he wants. He has already paid his money!

Not turning up yesterday hurts the SANFL tho more than the AFC, as they have already received the money for the ticket. No shows by season ticket holders serve to hurt the SANFL in catering/car parking etc, not the AFC!

So technically, a real boycott would be surrendering membership!

I agree entirely with relapse tho, and its obvious about 10,000 odd other people did as well...