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I would like to apologise to all the Collingwood supporters who thought I was suggesting that we were actually tanking "Are we tanking?" thread. In no way was I suggesting that we will stoop as low as the scum! Vinnie closed the thread before I can set the record straight.

I was just bewildered as to why oh why are we persisting with players that are clearly not going to win us a flag.
 
Alexander323bc said:
I would like to apologise to all the Collingwood supporters who thought I was suggesting that we were actually tanking "Are we tanking?" thread. In no way was I suggesting that we will stoop as low as the scum! Vinnie closed the thread before I can set the record straight.

I was just bewildered as to why oh why are we persisting with players that are clearly not going to win us a flag.
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There are short term and long team reasons we persist with certain players. Short term they may fill holes as in players like coorie and leigh absolute hack brown. Long term they may not be with us to a premiership but thats only speculation. YOu can't be like - we are going to win a premiership in 5 years. Therefore all players over 30 must be dumped. We could win one this year and you have to fill the holes. As for other reasons, players must be persisted with. Look at the Dane Swan example. You may not become an important player over night but if you have the right attitude in the long term you could become very handy.

The club is oing the best to recruit players that have potential. Some reach it other don't. If they don't fulfill their shoes they get dumped. Leigh and corrie wont be with us a for a long time. They are just needy replacements that were in the best interests to recruit at the end of the draft period. As soon as our younger players come through which i might add is really promising we will be a team to be rekoned with. Look at Dick, Brown, Macafer, Sidebottom, Wellingham and Mcarthy. All very promising prospects that at this stage could be anything. Fortunatley at Collingwood we have the ability to get the best out of mostly everyone who comes to the club.
 
I too have been very critical of MALTHOUSE and his selection criteria and game plan.
I am glad the pies won,but we are not out of the woods yet.
See what happens,over the next few weeks.
We have must win games in Port at the G
Melbourne at the G and Sydney at Sydney.We could set ourselves up if we win the next three.

Still i believe that for MALTY to stay we must make at least top 4,anything less than that and we are just making up the numbers so its time for a new fresh approach in the future.
 

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esc0bar said:
There are short term and long team reasons we persist with certain players. Short term they may fill holes as in players like coorie and leigh absolute hack brown. Long term they may not be with us to a premiership but thats only speculation. YOu can't be like - we are going to win a premiership in 5 years. Therefore all players over 30 must be dumped. We could win one this year and you have to fill the holes. As for other reasons, players must be persisted with. Look at the Dane Swan example. You may not become an important player over night but if you have the right attitude in the long term you could become very handy.

The club is oing the best to recruit players that have potential. Some reach it other don't. If they don't fulfill their shoes they get dumped. Leigh and corrie wont be with us a for a long time. They are just needy replacements that were in the best interests to recruit at the end of the draft period. As soon as our younger players come through which i might add is really promising we will be a team to be rekoned with. Look at Dick, Brown, Macafer, Sidebottom, Wellingham and Mcarthy. All very promising prospects that at this stage could be anything. Fortunatley at Collingwood we have the ability to get the best out of mostly everyone who comes to the club.
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Well expressed Escobar I shall take heed of what you have said.
 
for those still bagging toovey

what part of his 22 disposals, 5 tackles, 5 marks annoyed you so much?

is it because he proved cox is a lazy fat shit with poor decision making, if so get over it
 
Cox and Toovey are lucky to be in our 22.

imo we should stick with Nutsack, he is quicker, more skilled and a better defender than the both of them.
 
NatheM said:
Cox and Toovey are lucky to be in our 22.

imo we should stick with Nutsack, he is quicker, more skilled and a better defender than the both of them.
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in time im sure this will be correct

but right now toovey is the only one in any sort of good form
 
mdc said:
Why? Why is it that people attribute some sort of hidden talent to Goldsack yet don't do the same for Toovey or Cox?

Especially considering they're all roughly the same age.
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Goldsack had a fairly decent debut season and his second one had no pre season and was injured early on from memory. Im guessing people including myself are still judging him as a better player based on that , although he hasnt recaptured that form in any way yet.

I think tooves dare i say it is going the best out of those three atm this year.

I still dont think there is room for all 3 in our backline at once or even the same 22 as they play such similar positions and makes us look too B grade
 

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mdc said:
Why? Why is it that people attribute some sort of hidden talent to Goldsack yet don't do the same for Toovey or Cox?

Especially considering they're all roughly the same age.
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MDC right now its
Toovey
Goldsack
Cox

In future hopefully
Goldsack
Toovey
Cox

the reason i rate teh sack highly is he is the best tackler of the three and the tallest, but as of right now Toovey should play first of the three and there is no argument to suggest otherwise
 
I'm with the MDC the Goldsack gets massively over rated becuase he was drafted late and came out of the blocks well early. He has done nothing since.

In his 20 whatever games he is yet to show he can fulfil a functional role at AFL level. He is a hopeless one on one defender who gets lost, gets drawn to the ball, gets out bodied and most importantly far to often gives his direct opponent far to much space. Other the standing next to an out of form Micky O dropping marks (I am being harsh he did defend pretty well that game.) He has not beaten an opponent as a defender.

As a loose man, HBF or in terms of any rebound he offers his skills are not as polished as people would like to think, he gets low possesions and is the worst fumbler of the three at ground level.

In fact I would go as far to say Goldsack has the least going for him out of the three. Cox has pretty clean skills and is the best mover of the bunch and the best offensively. He is an unaccountable defender and makes poor decisions at times but Goldsack has those faults too. The only thing Goldsack has over Cox is that you can never fault his effort and he tackles well.

Toovey is by far the better defender yet is also cleaner at ground level and offers more run. He might be shorter but he is also stronger. The only thing that Goldsack has over Toovey is that he doesn't look so awkward and his mistakes aren't as glarringly obvious.
 
NatheM said:
Cox and Toovey are lucky to be in our 22.

imo we should stick with Nutsack, he is quicker, more skilled and a better defender than the both of them.
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Refer to my above posts and I'd suggest watching almost any game Goldsack has played other then the Sydney games and paying attention to A) his direct opponent B) what he does when he gets the ball and C) how often he gets the ball.

His poor defensively with poor skills. He tries hard and doesn't look terrible but he almost has no impact on 90% of the games he plays. Toovey is a better defender. Cox is the more skillful. Goldsack is the one who offers the least in anyway.
 
shawthing09 said:
Refer to my above posts and I'd suggest watching almost any game Goldsack has played other then the Sydney games and paying attention to A) his direct opponent B) what he does when he gets the ball and C) how often he gets the ball.

His poor defensively with poor skills. He tries hard and doesn't look terrible but he almost has no impact on 90% of the games he plays. Toovey is a better defender. Cox is the more skillful. Goldsack is the one who offers the least in anyway.
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I rated the Sack as the best of the three even up till the start of this year. Good 1st year, average second year yet he still played some good games (was one of our best in the semi vs saints iirc) but I was willing to put that down to injury and a case of 'second year blues'.

He has been poor this year and had probably gone backwards since his first year which is pretty disappointing. Now I agree with you that he is behind the Cox and Toovey.

Cox frustrates the hell out of me, he had a good start to the year in particular his game against Brisbane but has been poo ever since. He is definetely talented enough but I question his desire and work ethic.

Tooves tries hard and yes he was good against West Coast but I highly doubt he'll be a long term player.
 
Apparently Goldy is having some personal problems. Read it in an interview or press release or VFL report. Something about the Club helping him through personal issues. Could be family related or.. yeah not sure.
 
buzzbuzz said:
Apparently Goldy is having some personal problems. Read it in an interview or press release or VFL report. Something about the Club helping him through personal issues. Could be family related or.. yeah not sure.
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Well if that's true then I don't want to know what it is, but I hope that he can get past it as quickly as he is able to.

You really do want to see our lads playing well and enjoying both their footy and their life. Look at Leon and Tarks - I'd hazard a guess they're both thereabouts :thumbsu:
 

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